Cro Cop or Schaub?

Kaladarus · 03-08-11, 01:15 PM

Originally posted by omalley21

Damnit what time did they come out?

My guess would be close to when nunya made his bet.

sirchadwick1 · 03-08-11, 01:17 PM

Originally posted by NunyaBidness

I wouldn't be surprised if the lines got better on both of those.

I figured more guys would pound Miller at that price.. I'll pour more on him if it gets better. I'm not usually one to bet against the Alpha Male strippers, but I feel Wineland is legit and his wrestling background will help him keep on his feet here. Still a hell of a step up for him though... At +300 perhaps a small play is worthy (*waits on bodog dog-friendly lines*)

Just noticed the Davis/Lil Nog line is up too for FN24.. maybe I missed it earlier.
Davis -285
Lil Nog +205

Vaughany · 03-08-11, 01:43 PM

Originally posted by sirchadwick1

I do really like Jim Miller at -215, so I'm making a big play there.

Does anyone see value in Wineland if he hits +300? Faber is getting pounded.

Wineland at +300 is great value IMO. Faber couldn't handle Mike Brown's striking and Wineland is on another level level to Brown. Could also have the wrestling and strength to keep it standing.

The HOFF · 03-08-11, 03:02 PM

Originally posted by Vaughany

Looks like Schaub came out at Evens on 5dimes/Sportbet and now at -300! Missed it FML!

I just got up and saw that line. F Mine too.

The HOFF · 03-08-11, 03:03 PM

Originally posted by sirchadwick1

I do really like Jim Miller at -215, so I'm making a big play there.

I like Miller too, but I would hold off. Line is moving in our favor.

sirchadwick1 · 03-08-11, 03:22 PM

Originally posted by Vaughany

Wineland at +300 is great value IMO. Faber couldn't handle Mike Brown's striking and Wineland is on another level level to Brown. Could also have the wrestling and strength to keep it standing.

Faber still getting pounded. He was at -310 at around 1pm today on 5dimes. Now at -475 and Wineland is at +325... so tempting.

Hoff, Haven't seen any movement on Miller today.

Vaughany · 03-08-11, 03:44 PM

Originally posted by sirchadwick1

Faber still getting pounded. He was at -310 at around 1pm today on 5dimes. Now at -475 and Wineland is at +325... so tempting.

Hoff, Haven't seen any movement on Miller today.

Im gonna wait till Pinnacle release their lines, but will probly take the +325.

Hoff's probly referring to Miller going from -245 to -215 on 5dimes/Sportbet.

Poppa Catfish · 03-08-11, 05:36 PM

Originally posted by Vaughany

Wineland at +300 is great value IMO. Faber couldn't handle Mike Brown's striking and Wineland is on another level level to Brown. Could also have the wrestling and strength to keep it standing.

He better have the wrestling and strength or that other level striking won't mean a damn. I must say +300 is rather tempting though

urge2kill · 03-08-11, 09:07 PM

Originally posted by Vaughany

Was $100 max bet? Should of nailed it as much as possible all way down to -200 range. Easiest arb opportunity since Stephens came out as dog against Davis!

It went from EV to -215 to -230 to -300 within minutes of opening.

terpkeg · 03-08-11, 10:39 PM

Originally posted by urge2kill

It went from EV to -215 to -230 to -300 within minutes of opening.

Curious what moves the line from ev straight to -215 so fast. How many people actually had a chance to hit that? Do they let a few sharps know lines are up so they can set a better number before taking too much exposure?

terpkeg · 03-08-11, 10:44 PM

Originally posted by terpkeg

Curious what moves the line from ev straight to -215 so fast. How many people actually had a chance to hit that? Do they let a few sharps know lines are up so they can set a better number before taking too much exposure?

not like u had to be very sharp to know that was off

Squareguy · 03-08-11, 10:50 PM

I don't do parlays often....but Schaub/Miller/Jones 100 to win 200 is looking very, very good.

urge2kill · 03-08-11, 11:28 PM

Originally posted by terpkeg

Curious what moves the line from ev straight to -215 so fast. How many people actually had a chance to hit that? Do they let a few sharps know lines are up so they can set a better number before taking too much exposure?

There could have been more between EV and -215. Those are just the ones I saw.

Poppa Catfish · 03-08-11, 11:45 PM

Originally posted by Squareguy

I don't do parlays often....but Schaub/Miller/Jones 100 to win 200 is looking very, very good.

I think you are on to something here.

kiefynugs · 03-09-11, 02:12 AM

I will never bet on cro cop. dude needs to retire.

rocky mattioli · 03-09-11, 11:04 AM

Originally posted by FlashinLeather

MMA Notable Wins
- Wanderlie Silva, Josh Barnette (3x), Mark Coleman, Kevin Ranlelman, Aleksander Emelianenko, and he fought Fedor to a decision...

K1 Notable Wins
- Jérôme Le Banner, Peter Aerts, Mark Hunt, Remy Bonjasky, and finished runner up to Ernesto Hoost at K1 GP in 1999

He didn't fight all all stars in Pride or UFC but he does have some big names that he has taken down and up until lately always put on a very exciting fight, having some of the greatest knockouts of all time on his highlight real. So stop with the hate and enjoy the video.

i don`t think he`s overrated...he`s just way over-the-hill,imo...he`s nowhere near the fighter that he was in his pride hey-day....

people seem to forget that father time whacks pretty much everybody(except for a select few)...exposive striking was crocop`s game....he`s not like a b`hop who`s defensive ability and cuteness is carried into his twilight years...

but i agree,this cro-cop is pretty bad... he`s a go-against for me...

i`m still licking my wounds from the pat barry fight,though...talk about a major league stiff that`s still in his prime?.....he absolutely was going to lose(hands down) to the mexican journeyman in his last fight if not for a precipitous eye poke....

barry`s a fraud....a definite go-against vs anybody decent...

Socrates · 03-09-11, 11:22 AM

Schuab, Cro is done.

terpkeg · 03-09-11, 01:44 PM

Originally posted by terpkeg

Shaub up to -300

Suprised this line came back down. Schaub -260 is a play for me. May add on to Schaub -3.5 if I like the number.

LearningTree · 03-14-11, 04:29 PM

I think it's amazing Cro Cop still has a job considering he barely tries to hide the fact that he doesn't care at all about fighting. I think Schaub is a good matchup for him, but what does that mean? Mir was a good matchup for him and he did nothing in that entire fight. I don't know how you can bet on a guy that doesn't care if he wins or loses.

FlashinLeather · 03-14-11, 10:56 PM

CroCop Training for Shaub - Hell Week with FightersOnlyMag...

Boddhissatva · 03-15-11, 11:45 AM

Cro Cop is +220 now...

Cro cop has looked like utter $hit in his last several fights...but I just wonder if he has one fight left in him.

the odds are making it very tempting.

Schaub is the younger, stronger, hungrier fighter...and on paper it's his fight to lose...

FLO31 · 03-16-11, 12:02 AM

Cro Crop has been done... and Schaub is up and coming... imo UFC made this fight to give Schaub some momentum in beating a big name... of course all that can change with a Cro Crop head kick, but he doesn't even throw it as often anymore so I don't see it happening...

FlashinLeather · 03-16-11, 08:12 AM

I think CroCop is worth a small play, maybe .5u, he is not that a old and still has the tools to win the fight. I'm assuming he watched his last fight and was fully embarrassed by his performance, hopefully he will learn that he needs to throw strikes and throw kicks to win this next fight.

At the same time it is just as likely that he comes out and looks like shit, just like he did when he fought Mir.

stefan084 · 03-16-11, 12:38 PM

Originally posted by Jordan23

I think it's good Cro Cop is getting somebody who is going to pressure him, unlike Mir.

good for Cro Cop's style or for the fans watching the fight?

Shane · 03-16-11, 01:02 PM

I know I'm going to sound like a total fanboy here, but Mirko takes this fight if he truly has any desire left at all. I think experience will play a huge role in this fight.

sirchadwick1 · 03-16-11, 02:26 PM

That's just the thing... Mirko has look unmotivated and tentative for a long while now. Barry basically gave him the fight so don't let that one persuade you otherwise. CC always talks the talk but he has never been the same since the GG KO.

GunShard · 03-17-11, 05:35 AM

On UFC Countdown, Cro Cop called Schaub a rookie. This should be interesting.

GunShard · 03-17-11, 06:01 AM

Originally posted by Squareguy

I don't do parlays often....but Schaub/Miller/Jones 100 to win 200 is looking very, very good.

I like Shalorous to beat Miller. I say stick with a 2 team parlay. But I may be wrong though.

Facepunch · 03-17-11, 07:16 AM

It seems to me that CroCop went to the UFC after he should have retired. Not sure about his fight deal, or if he has any left, but he has phoned in his fights since Gonzaga.

I remember getting a decent line on CroCop and unloading my act. on him, to watch it all go down the drain with one kick to his stupid little head.

TKO, 1st or 2nd round.
Schaub

yokes33 · 03-17-11, 07:31 AM

I definitely have to go with Schaub, he's got some talent

KCJMAC · 03-17-11, 06:32 PM

Schaub by tko if Crocop is aggressive, by decision if he's not.

Kaladarus · 03-17-11, 06:47 PM

Originally posted by KCJMAC

Schaub by tko if Crocop is aggressive, by decision if he's not.

I agree, but usually when CC is the aggressor his opponent fights very defensive. Most of CC's wins have come because his opponents have let him be the aggressor and that's where he fights best. Schaub's got to fight careful, but he's got to be the one pushing the pace. If CC is being aggressive it's most likely because he's got the upper hand in the fight and is dictating the pace.

LayingThe$Down · 03-17-11, 11:22 PM

I think I would need +500 before I could throw even a penny on Cro Cop in this fight. Between his complaints of all the surgeries he has had and how difficult it is for him to motivate to train it seems to me that he is fighting for 2 reasons at this point:

Fighting is all he knows, its habits are ingrained deeply into him
Big paychecks

I think Schaub KO's him into retirement.

sirchadwick1 · 03-18-11, 06:18 AM

I agree on that. If Schaub KO's CC... I believe he may finally retire.