Hate to say it......strikeforce over ufc

Vaughany · 03-06-11, 02:58 PM

Strikeforce is awesome no doubt, but what do you mean by the "rules wer WAYYYYYYYYY better"? Pretty much the same brah!

syn^ · 03-06-11, 04:33 PM

Rogan + Goldberg > Ranallo + Miletich

PaperTrail07 · 03-06-11, 04:39 PM

the downward elbow and they stand it up in 1/2 the time

PaperTrail07 · 03-06-11, 04:39 PM

the gameplane dosent consist of taking a guy down and pointing him out for 3 rounds

ttrace35 · 03-06-11, 05:22 PM

Welcome to the team

Landscaper · 03-06-11, 05:25 PM

gotta agree with ya

THE_LOCKSMITH · 03-06-11, 05:25 PM

Originally posted by Vaughany

Strikeforce is awesome no doubt, but what do you mean by the "rules wer WAYYYYYYYYY better"? Pretty much the same brah!

I'm pretty sure they are the exact same, Isn't it the state commission that set the rules. UFC has had events in Ohio

as for quicker stand ups, that goes to what refs they use, and i saw many of the same refs they've used in the UFC

nobull · 03-06-11, 05:57 PM

strike force is such a weaker MMA company than UFC ....... i'd like to see cuong le get his a beaten down by anderson silva lol

PaperTrail07 · 03-06-11, 06:09 PM

thats what we want..a penn fitch--- draw----............half those decisions on that card were ******....look at the Nick Ring fight for example...i wanted him to win...he OBV lost that fight---he knew it---then.......NNNIIIIIIIIIIIIICCCCCCCCCCCKK KK RRRRRRRIIIIINNNNNGGGGGGGGGGGGG!!!!---leaving you baffeled as to how

PaperTrail07 · 03-06-11, 06:09 PM

watch that fight and tell me he won----

THE_LOCKSMITH · 03-06-11, 06:38 PM

Originally posted by PaperTrail07

thats what we want..a penn fitch--- draw----............half those decisions on that card were ******....look at the Nick Ring fight for example...i wanted him to win...he OBV lost that fight---he knew it---then.......NNNIIIIIIIIIIIIICCCCCCCCCCCKK KK RRRRRRRIIIIINNNNNGGGGGGGGGGGGG!!!!---leaving you baffeled as to how

your right StrikreForce is far better because on a card where we saw 11 of the 12 fights the UFC put on you disliked how 2 decisions went down.

The UFc does not control the judges or the refs in almost all cases. Dana White has said many times how much he hates Steve Mazzagatti, yet he still refs fights because its the state commission that set the rules, and pick the judges and refs.

the rules, refs and judges at StrikeForce last night were among the sames ones that were used when the UFC went to Ohio over the years

99Boxster · 03-06-11, 06:49 PM

locksmith...it realy isnt worth explaining! if he doesnt know that, he wont listen

PaperTrail07 · 03-06-11, 07:22 PM

I do know that but I promise youthey get up quicker in strikeforce

PaperTrail07 · 03-06-11, 07:23 PM

they get right up

Jordan23 · 03-06-11, 08:23 PM

And so it continues.....

jin2daj · 03-06-11, 08:40 PM

if you want mma to become a mainstream sport then you have to go the route the UFC is taking. fair matches where the WINNER moves forward. yes, this leads to point fighting but i personally see mainstream mma being a well worthend that justifies the means.

SF is thinking short term in an effort to catchup to the UFC and they stand up the fights quicker give out more mismatches which leads to short term entertainment. but in the longterm it does nothing for the sport except reinforce the image in the public's mind that mma is not a sport: where if someone is not getting knocked out, the refs will do something about it (stand them up).

PaperTrail07 · 03-06-11, 09:22 PM

jin.......its going to make it a lot harder to go mainstream when its boring as **** with fighters training to fight to a decision.....they gameplan to out point people and grind out a "victory"....its starting to become 2 fighters in the ring that are in there "not to lose"....again...i have always loved UFC but the decisions and extended ground game is getting out of control.......and jin they dont need to change/fix the fights and gear them to a knockout....they need to stop giving so much credit for a takedown that warrants 0 damage and just slows a fight down.....

PaperTrail07 · 03-06-11, 09:26 PM

and you grind away 1/2 the fight with nothing going on.........cant blame the fighters...they are taking the easiest route to a paycheck.............why do you think DANA was giving out knockout bonuses on the UFC show.....because a guy could take a guy down 1 or 2 times in those 2 round fights and get an instant victory....and sometimes rules change in sports.....ex overtime rules for NFL

THE_LOCKSMITH · 03-06-11, 09:39 PM

but Fitch did damage, he wreked Penn in that 3rd round and set a record for punches thrown in a round

RaiderNation MMA · 03-06-11, 09:42 PM

i believe u cant elbow on the ground in strikeforce

FlashinLeather · 03-06-11, 10:29 PM

Originally posted by RaiderNation MMA

i believe u cant elbow on the ground in strikeforce

correct

jin2daj · 03-06-11, 10:57 PM

Originally posted by PaperTrail07

jin.......its going to make it a lot harder to go mainstream when its boring as **** with fighters training to fight to a decision.....they gameplan to out point people and grind out a "victory"....its starting to become 2 fighters in the ring that are in there "not to lose"....again...i have always loved UFC but the decisions and extended ground game is getting out of control.......and jin they dont need to change/fix the fights and gear them to a knockout....they need to stop giving so much credit for a takedown that warrants 0 damage and just slows a fight down.....

you are right, but its not right to punish those who laynpray themselves to a win. Punish those who cant defend the fkn TD.

the ground game is 50% of mma and if strikers who are terrible on the ground should train TDD instead of complaining all the time.

MMA constantly evolving and we are just currently in a rough patch. as the next generation of young fighters step up and look at MMA and see laynprayers winning, they will develop powerful TDD and end the laynpraying.

you just have to wait for it to happen. the right thing to do is just let it evolve on its own. the wrong thing to do is to try and control it.

i see it like controlling the internet and illegal pirating. you cant stop it. grow with it or die.

RaiderNation MMA · 03-07-11, 04:22 AM

gotta admit tho that the april 9th card with mousasi, kyle, diaz, daley, is going to b epic

bogbat · 03-07-11, 04:40 AM

Wasn't there a thread like this last Strikeforce card? *Yawn*

Poppa Catfish · 03-07-11, 04:46 AM

put a little more effort in your troll job, please

Vaughany · 03-07-11, 06:29 AM

Originally posted by jin2daj

you are right, but its not right to punish those who laynpray themselves to a win. Punish those who cant defend the fkn TD.

the ground game is 50% of mma and if strikers who are terrible on the ground should train TDD instead of complaining all the time.

MMA constantly evolving and we are just currently in a rough patch. as the next generation of young fighters step up and look at MMA and see laynprayers winning, they will develop powerful TDD and end the laynpraying.

you just have to wait for it to happen. the right thing to do is just let it evolve on its own. the wrong thing to do is to try and control it.

i see it like controlling the internet and illegal pirating. you cant stop it. grow with it or die.

Gd points about the game evolving. It will only help fighter's realise that they need to improve their TDD as you said and also their aggressive guard. Moreover, one of the main things that will need to be improved is footwork which I feel is still lackin on the whole in MMA. If guys like Andre Winner used his footwork agains Lentz then half of the stalling against the cage attempts by Lentz wouldnt of happened...instead Winner just stayed with his back agaisnt the cage instead of circling and getting back to the middle of the octagon.

thesox0311 · 03-07-11, 08:52 AM

the only thing that has to be said is the UFC has way more talent. Why do you think half of strikeforce has former UFC fightes who were cut....like the new LHW champion... Your saying the Arena League is better than the NFL. Outside of Overeem what does Strikeforce have?

ttrace35 · 03-07-11, 09:14 AM

This is great stuff. I stay out of it.

AribaAriba · 03-07-11, 09:26 AM

Originally posted by syn^

Rogan + Goldberg > Ranallo + Miletich

I seriously mute the volume everytime Ranallo speaks, the voice is just so annoying.

PaperTrail07 · 03-07-11, 01:39 PM

Originally posted by jin2daj

you are right, but its not right to punish those who laynpray themselves to a win. Punish those who cant defend the fkn TD.

the ground game is 50% of mma and if strikers who are terrible on the ground should train TDD instead of complaining all the time.

MMA constantly evolving and we are just currently in a rough patch. as the next generation of young fighters step up and look at MMA and see laynprayers winning, they will develop powerful TDD and end the laynpraying.

you just have to wait for it to happen. the right thing to do is just let it evolve on its own. the wrong thing to do is to try and control it.

i see it like controlling the internet and illegal pirating. you cant stop it. grow with it or die.

I see what your saying that we are in a rough patch but its more than rough.....ufc will put a wrestler against a guy with a good guard....(thats their takedown defense!!!!! they control wrists and limit damage close to 0....few submission ATTEMPTS) and the round is over..... Strikeforce will limit that and stand them right up...i mean watch the fights.....if a guy takes a guy down...great ..give him credit...but if nothing significant is getting accomplished...get them the **** up......DO YOU NOT AGREE>???

THE_LOCKSMITH · 03-07-11, 08:51 PM

Originally posted by PaperTrail07

I see what your saying that we are in a rough patch but its more than rough.....ufc will put a wrestler against a guy with a good guard....(thats their takedown defense!!!!! they control wrists and limit damage close to 0....few submission ATTEMPTS) and the round is over..... Strikeforce will limit that and stand them right up...i mean watch the fights.....if a guy takes a guy down...great ..give him credit...but if nothing significant is getting accomplished...get them the **** up......DO YOU NOT AGREE>???

What do you base this on? Yes, Dan Miragliotta stood the fight up twice in Henderson/Cavalcante and brokeup the clinch once. Are you saying when Dan Miragliotta ref UFC fights he dosn't break fights up as often because the UFC tells him not to?

PaperTrail07 · 03-07-11, 10:29 PM

that fight would have stayed ont he ground in the UFC.....and they did it all night.....every fight....

THE_LOCKSMITH · 03-07-11, 11:12 PM

Originally posted by PaperTrail07

that fight would have stayed ont he ground in the UFC.....and they did it all night.....every fight....

So what is your reasoning fo why Miragliotta would stand it up in StrikeForce and let it stay on the ground in the UFC?

ttrace35 · 03-07-11, 11:32 PM

Hahahahahahahahahahaha. I love this shit.