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  • lasker
    SBR MVP
    • 01-27-10
    • 1683

    #1
    Schaub +135 to beat Gonzaga
    I promised a blog on this fight and ended up writing a long one. Fade or tail, your choice, but here's some food for thought:

    I spotted this as my favorite bet for UFC 121 as soon as I saw the line (which was too late to get the opener, unfortunately). On 5dimes, Schaub actually opened at +180, which is ridiculous value. I feel fortunate to have gotten him at +155. His line is now down to +130 on 5dimes, +135 on Bookmaker.


    At first glance it may seem like a strange pick. Why is all this money coming in on Schaub, who has just a 2-1 UFC record and only seven MMA fights in total, when he is up against a former UFC title contender in Gonzaga? How could Schaub, who has ony been fighting professionally for two years, be such a small underdog against a beast of a man who has been fighting professionally for seven years and competing in elite jiu-jitsu tournaments for at least a decade? Not only is Gonzaga a former jiu-jitsu World Champion, he also kicked Cro-Cop's head off at a time when Cro-Cop was still one of the most feared heavyweights in the world. How is Schaub, whose only top-level opponent was Roy Nelson -- a fight in which Schaub was KO'd in the first round -- going to handle a seasoned UFC vet who has battled (albeit without much success) the likes of Cro-Cop, Randy Couture for the title, Fabricio Werdum (twice), Shane Carwin, and Junior dos Santos? Gonzaga's five losses to date are against the elite of the elite, and Brendan Schaub's name certainly does not belong in their company at this early stage in his career.

    And yet, despite all this, I am choosing Schaub as the best underdog bet on the card. In fact I think he should be the clear favorite in this matchup.
    Styles make fights, and Schaub presents a very unfortunate stylistic matchup for Gonzaga. Following his highlight reel KO of Cro-Cop -- a result which made Gonzaga overvalued in every betting line since -- Gonzaga had seven more UFC fights, winning three and losing four. Let's look at Gonzaga's last three wins:

    Chris Tuscherer: wrestler without dangerous standup
    Josh Hendricks: wrestler without dangerous standup
    Justin McCully: inferior grappler without dangerous standup

    And prior to his win over Cro-Cop, his remaining UFC wins were:

    Carmelo Marrero: wrestler without dangerous standup
    Fabricio Scherner: inferior grappler without dangerous standup
    Kevin Jordan: Luckily I haven't seen any other Kevin Jordan fights besides his fight with Gonzaga, but from what I saw the description "a scrub with a 60 second gas tank" seems apt.

    Aside from the Cro-Cop win, which people read WAY too much into (the headkick win over a top striker was one of those outlier results that cannot be anticipated and is unlikely to be repeated), Gonzaga has never defeated anyone with dangerous striking. Now let's look at Gonzaga's last two UFC losses, since they are most relevant to this matchup:

    Junior dos Santos: a very dangerous striker, possibly the best heavyweight striker in the UFC. Gonzaga was KO'd in the first round.
    Shane Carwin: a heavy-handed wrestler who is known for his one-punch knockout power. Gonzaga was KO'd in the first round.

    Of course, I am not comparing Schaub's boxing skills to those of dos Santos. Nor am I saying he has the power of Shane Carwin. But the fact remains that Brendan Schaub is a talented and powerful striker, with all six of his wins coming by way of first round TKO/KO. It is generally agreed that if the fight stays standing, which I believe it will, then it favors Schaub. Contrary to some myths, Gonzaga is not a very good striker. Perhaps he himself draws too much confidence from the fact that he KO'd Cro-Cop, but that confidence must be somewhat shattered on the heels of two devastating knockout losses. (Schaub, by contrast, is coming into this fight with the momentum of two successive 1st round KO wins, big confidence boosters.) Gonzaga hits hard but he is slow and lumbering, has poor head movement and equally poor reactions. He needs time to set up his shots and is not a skilled counter-striker by any means.

    Schaub, by contrast, is a phenomenal athlete. The former football player prides himself on his conditioning and claims to be the hardest worker in the UFC. He trains with what many consider the best fight team in the world, Jackson's Submission Fighting in Albuquerque, alongside his best friend Shane Carwin. From all we have seen on The Ultimate Fighter and his UFC fights, his footwork is swift and his punching, kicking, and counterstriking are all on point. He still lacks good head movement, in my opinion, but it's an area he has been working on. He is very fast and has used his speed to dismantle two big, slow grapplers in a combined 1:54 in his last two UFC fights. He has an excellent jab that he uses to keep his opponents at bay and when he sees that he has his opponent's hurt, he has a Liddellesque killer mentality.

    Gonzaga tends to fold when the fight doesn't go his way. Against Couture and Carwin, any early success he may have enjoyed was immediately negated when the fight turned against him. He crumbles. He does not have the fighter's mentality. By contrast, we have seen Schaub overcome adversity on TUF where in a couple fights he was losing in the early stages but showed strong will to come back and win. I have never seen Gonzaga win a fight after getting hurt. Schaub will hurt him. As Mike Tyson says, "speed kills" more than power. With Schaub's superior quickness and striking, it's not a question of if but when he connects. He will tag Gonzaga, and I don't believe Gonzaga has the heart to come back from that.

    Gonzaga's gas tank has always been questionable, and as this fight goes deeper it can only favor Schaub. Schaub to win in round 3 is currently at +1400 on 5dimes, and I see tremendous value in that line.

    Finally, it must be mentioned that although Gonzaga has world-class jiu-jitsu, he has never been a good wrestler and I believe he is just far too slow to get his hands on Schaub. Schaub has been fighting good wrestlers since his time on TUF, and he has been preparing for good wrestlers for each of his three UFC fights to date. His takedown defense is underrated, in my opinion, and even if he is taken down it's comforting to know that Gonzaga is not a lay 'n pray wrestler who will seek to just hold him down. Gonzaga would go for submissions, but if they fail Schaub would be right back up to his feet. If Gonzaga does get any takedowns I'm confident it would be in the first round only, as he will be too tired after round 1 to take down an athlete with Schaub's conditioning and quick movement. But I don't believe he'll manage a single takedown, especially since he has shown a misguided propensity to stand and trade with opponents after he KO'd Cro-Cop. Schaub is going to stick and move in the first round and win via knockout (yet again) in the second or third.

    Schaub +130 (the line was nicer earlier, but this is still great value), Schaub inside the distance +160, and Schaub wins in round 3 +1400 are all great bets. This bet will hit. I'll eat my hat if it doesn't. Good luck
  • snake11eyes
    SBR Wise Guy
    • 07-28-10
    • 618

    #2
    Nice job Lasker, I'm liking Schaub in this one as well. As you said I think speed will be the deciding factor in this fight.
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    • Vaughany
      SBR Aristocracy
      • 03-07-10
      • 45563

      #3
      It's worth noting though that Gonzaga has been training at Xtreme Couture for this fight so it's likely that his cardio and gameplanning will be much better than previous fights, not to mention that he now gets to spar with quality opponents rather than before where he had nobody decent to spar with. With this in mind (and after seeing what Kampmann did to P.Thiago and Pyle to Hathaway recently) I've decided not to bet on Schaub straight up but instead taken Schaub to get 'KO of the Night' at low risk for a reasonably high reward.
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      • lasker
        SBR MVP
        • 01-27-10
        • 1683

        #4
        Greg Jackson's gameplanning > Randy Couture's gameplanning
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        • Vaughany
          SBR Aristocracy
          • 03-07-10
          • 45563

          #5
          Originally posted by lasker
          Greg Jackson's gameplanning > Randy Couture's gameplanning
          Probably true, but Gonzaga with a sound strategy and good training camp behind him is a big threat! Hopefully Schaub does have a big speed advantage and manages to knock him out.
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          • Shane
            SBR Sharp
            • 02-28-10
            • 466

            #6
            Nice write-up. Agree completely. Speed kills.
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            • The HOFF
              SBR MVP
              • 07-02-08
              • 4847

              #7
              I might be the only one on Gonzaga. He caught Carwin good and had him in serious trouble. And I don't think he folded in that fight. He just got hit with a dump truck on the chin, and only Lesnar has survived one of those. He did quit in the Couture fight, but that was after getting pummled for 3 rounds. I don't think Schaub will be able to control him like that. Gonzaga has power, and I can see him testing Schaub's chin. I think Gonzaga working at Xtreme Couture will be very beneficial. I'll be waiting for the weigh-in and to see the final number before the fight.
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              • GoldenYAK
                Restricted User
                • 08-30-10
                • 707

                #8
                Fight will go the distance +334. This line is off due to the fact neither have gone the distance. Gonzago has only been ko'ed on the feet by Carwin and JDS, Shaub isn't at that level. Couture and werdum both had gonzaga on the ground before they were able to deliver the heavy strikes, something Shaub won't be able to do. I don't think Gonzaga will get the takedown on Shaub either.

                Gonzaga may be in a win or leave town situation, combined with team couture training I think there is a good chance gonzaga doesn't gas. Shaub will fight with caution he knows Gonzaga can still knock people out. This has all the makings fight we expect fireworks in, but they never actually arrive and it goes to the dec.

                I only put half a unit on it though...
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                • lasker
                  SBR MVP
                  • 01-27-10
                  • 1683

                  #9
                  I agree with you, only I see more value going with Schaub by decision @ +1005, since I think if it goes that long Schaub will get the better of the exchanges which will decide the fight in his favor. If Gonzaga can't get Schaub down and keep him there, and I'm confident he can't, then he needs to finish Schaub to win.
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                  • Fiasco01
                    SBR Sharp
                    • 01-18-10
                    • 325

                    #10
                    Gonzaga just hasn't looked like he's mentally focused, but getting KO'd will do that I suppose.
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                    • RollPlayer
                      SBR Wise Guy
                      • 07-26-10
                      • 779

                      #11
                      Gonzaga is a very solid keeper and I am not convinced at all that Schaub is going to be in the upper tier of heavyweights. I like schaub, but I see Gonzaga here. Good luck though
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                      • vassman86
                        SBR MVP
                        • 03-11-08
                        • 1042

                        #12
                        You raise good points about taking Schaub, and there's definitely value in giving it a go. But I think Gonzaga will come out on top.
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                        • sirchadwick1
                          SBR MVP
                          • 06-02-10
                          • 1375

                          #13
                          I'm on Schaub at +190. Couldn't resist at that price.... I knew it would change quickly.
                          Gonzaga has the experience and credentials, but he crumbles under pressure. Schaub is going to bring it.
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                          • BIGDAY
                            SBR Aristocracy
                            • 02-17-10
                            • 48245

                            #14
                            Great write up, I personally just see Gonzaga finding a way to win this fight.
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                            • Boddhissatva
                              SBR Wise Guy
                              • 04-10-09
                              • 655

                              #15
                              This is the curse of betting for and/or against Gonzaga. You never know which Gonazga is going to show up.

                              Are we going to see the hyper aggressive, animalistic dangerous Gonzaga, or are we going to see befuttled, somewhat confused Gonzaga who falls apart when the game plan doesn't go his way?

                              You raise some very good points TS.

                              If Schaub survives the first round I see him cruising to a TKO stoppage late in the 2nd round or early in the third.

                              Gonzaga is too hot and cold...He's very explosive but his striking game isn't top notch like many think. JDS demonstrated this perfectly.
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                              • RobbReport
                                SBR MVP
                                • 09-22-09
                                • 2042

                                #16
                                i'll tail, i like Squab's chances, but he could also get ko'ed himself.
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                                • JuicedUp
                                  SBR MVP
                                  • 01-20-10
                                  • 3396

                                  #17
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                                  • Poppa Catfish
                                    SBR MVP
                                    • 09-22-10
                                    • 3352

                                    #18


                                    Just as you said
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                                    • GoldenYAK
                                      Restricted User
                                      • 08-30-10
                                      • 707

                                      #19
                                      Originally posted by lasker
                                      I agree with you, only I see more value going with Schaub by decision @ +1005, since I think if it goes that long Schaub will get the better of the exchanges which will decide the fight in his favor. If Gonzaga can't get Schaub down and keep him there, and I'm confident he can't, then he needs to finish Schaub to win.
                                      Good call bud! took that and the fight goes the distance props!!
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                                      • lasker
                                        SBR MVP
                                        • 01-27-10
                                        • 1683

                                        #20
                                        Originally posted by JuicedUp
                                        Originally posted by Poppa Catfish
                                        Just as you said
                                        Originally posted by GoldenYAK
                                        Good call bud! took that and the fight goes the distance props!!
                                        Thanks guys
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                                        • BobbyXxX
                                          SBR Hustler
                                          • 09-12-10
                                          • 96

                                          #21
                                          cashed it..too bad i had money on lesnar too
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                                          • illmatick
                                            SBR Hall of Famer
                                            • 01-05-09
                                            • 5456

                                            #22
                                            Originally posted by GoldenYAK
                                            Good call bud! took that and the fight goes the distance props!!
                                            I played both of these as well

                                            the distance prop was at +340
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                                            • clarkd32
                                              SBR Wise Guy
                                              • 09-15-06
                                              • 863

                                              #23
                                              great call on schaub and for those who took the distance wager.
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