2 good Bellator picks

Straight Cash · 06-13-10, 11:00 PM

I like Warren, not so sure on Askren.

JuicedUp · 06-13-10, 11:07 PM

Warren is solid.

southmadejd · 06-14-10, 12:08 AM

Hornbuckle is slick on his back. I think it all comes down to whether or not Askren has the kind of submission defense to get him through 3 rounds without getting submitted. Because it isn't a question of "if" he can get Hornbuckle to his back...it is a question of how many times through out the fight will he take him down.....he is just so green when it comes to everything else though. But Gegard Mousasi is very slick with submissions and he couldn't get anything going on King Mo. I feel like with Olympic caliber wrestlers, that sometimes their wrestling skills and general knowledge of BJJ trumps a black belts BJJ with general knowledge of wrestling (At least when it comes to fighting in a cage with MMA rules). Anybody else got an opinion on this?

sundin4prez · 06-14-10, 09:02 AM

i think i might go all in on hornbuckle.... he just seems to be on another level then all these bellator guys.... and i can never bet on a guy like askren, just wrestling..... anybody think hornbuckle doesent take this fight?

Educ8d Degener8 · 06-14-10, 11:36 AM

Originally posted by sundin4prez

i think i might go all in on hornbuckle.... he just seems to be on another level then all these bellator guys.... and i can never bet on a guy like askren, just wrestling..... anybody think hornbuckle doesent take this fight?

I've mentioned in another thread that I like Hornbuckle, but tend to agree with southmadejd's last point, and that seems critical here given the mma scoring in the States. I really really really want to see Hornbuckle sub Askren, but can't quite commit to a play just yet.

In any case, I'm pure fade material with Bellator, so just fade my lean if I do indeed make one

BOL

playa420 · 06-14-10, 04:11 PM

I really like Askrens chances against Hornbuckle.Hes a world class wrestler, and if he can avoid some early sub attempts i could see him grinding out a decison.Joe warren on the other hand im gonna be betting against.Joe is one of the dumbest fighters when it comes to game planing.No matter who hes facing hes gonna take them down, and he constantly puts himself in bad positons to get subbed.So far in the tourny hes been able to use brute strength to get out of bad positions, but that not gonna work against a guy like pitbull.Joes gonna take pitbull down ,and end up getting subbed.

Vaughany · 06-14-10, 04:34 PM

Hornbuckle is destined to win this...2nd round submission Im hoping for!

BIGDAY · 06-14-10, 06:15 PM

Askren just finds ways to win. It's wierd. He flat out would find ways to win a match no mater how many points he was behind. My money is on Hornbuckle, just not all in. Only one unit play for me.

BOL eveyone!

sundin4prez · 06-14-10, 08:58 PM

Originally posted by BIGDAY

Askren just finds ways to win. It's wierd. He flat out would find ways to win a match no mater how many points he was behind. My money is on Hornbuckle, just not all in. Only one unit play for me.

BOL eveyone!

i agree with you but i have to go all in.... this is a 5 rounder right?.... if so i think this helps hornbuckle

playa420 · 06-14-10, 09:17 PM

Originally posted by sundin4prez

i agree with you but i have to go all in.... this is a 5 rounder right?.... if so i think this helps hornbuckle

its 3 rounds

jin2daj · 06-15-10, 05:11 PM

good week for mma, theres like 4 events this week.

Chairib · 06-15-10, 10:50 PM

Originally posted by southmadejd

I feel like with Olympic caliber wrestlers, that sometimes their wrestling skills and general knowledge of BJJ trumps a black belts BJJ with general knowledge of wrestling (At least when it comes to fighting in a cage with MMA rules). Anybody else got an opinion on this?

I believe both Askren and Hornbuckle are purple belts in BJJ right now. Watching their respective grappling games and it's clear that Askren has got the slight advantage with his top game. Hornbuckle's guardwork is noticeably more developed than Ben's guard. Ben doesn't spend a whole lot of time in the guard, I doubt he'll sub Dan from there as he's almost always scrambling back to his feet.

sirchadwick1 · 06-16-10, 06:14 AM

Goin in on Hornbuckle at 8 units and Pitbull at 5 units.
Both of these guys are on another level. Joe Warren
is tough as hell... but Pitbull is so well-rounded and
I bet he finds the sub since Joe has such a relentless
style that opens himself up for disaster. -140 on
Hornbuckle is freaking ridiculous... he should be at -250
or higher imo. Askren is simply all the hype right now.
Dan will TKO him on the feet or get the tri off his back.

Vaughany · 06-16-10, 06:54 AM

Originally posted by sirchadwick1

Goin in on Hornbuckle at 8 units and Pitbull at 5 units.
Both of these guys are on another level. Joe Warren
is tough as hell... but Pitbull is so well-rounded and
I bet he finds the sub since Joe has such a relentless
style that opens himself up for disaster. -140 on
Hornbuckle is freaking ridiculous... he should be at -250
or higher imo. Askren is simply all the hype right now.
Dan will TKO him on the feet or get the tri off his back.

GL! Ive got a big parlay on Hornbuckle and Simpson...need it to pull through badly! Gonna add Askren to a big low risk low chance parlay tho as a back up.

southmadejd · 06-16-10, 10:55 AM

Originally posted by Chairib

I believe both Askren and Hornbuckle are purple belts in BJJ right now. Watching their respective grappling games and it's clear that Askren has got the slight advantage with his top game. Hornbuckle's guardwork is noticeably more developed than Ben's guard. Ben doesn't spend a whole lot of time in the guard, I doubt he'll sub Dan from there as he's almost always scrambling back to his feet.

Thanks for the input Charib. But do you think Ben will actually spend any time in his guard in this fight or do you think it all comes down to whether or not Dan can sub Askren from his back? Or I guess he could knock him out on the feet also.

jin2daj · 06-17-10, 10:42 PM

askren baby! he was/is the superior athlete. olympic and ncaa credentials speak for themselves.

Straight Cash · 06-17-10, 11:01 PM

Good call on Askren. Good wrestlers are just getting too tough to stop.

SweatySombrero · 06-17-10, 11:04 PM

Hornbuckle is slick on his back. I think it all comes down to whether or not Askren has the kind of submission defense to get him through 3 rounds without getting submitted. Becausea it isn't a question of "if" he can get Hornbuckle to his back...it is a question of how many times through out the fight will he take him down.....he is just so green when it comes to everything else though. But Gegard Mousasi is very slick with submissions and he couldn't get anything goinga on King Mo. I feel like with Olympic caliber wrestlers, that sometimes their wrestling skills and generala knowledge of BJJ trumps a black belts BJJ with general knowledge of wrestling (At least when it comes to fighting in a cage with MMA rules). Anybody else got an opinion on this?

o yeah. all the time.

phillybadboy · 06-17-10, 11:05 PM

good call on Askren

jin2daj · 06-17-10, 11:25 PM

Originally posted by SweatySombrero

Hornbuckle is slick on his back. I think it all comes down to whether or not Askren has the kind of submission defense to get him through 3 rounds without getting submitted. Becausea it isn't a question of "if" he can get Hornbuckle to his back...it is a question of how many times through out the fight will he take him down.....he is just so green when it comes to everything else though. But Gegard Mousasi is very slick with submissions and he couldn't get anything goinga on King Mo. I feel like with Olympic caliber wrestlers, that sometimes their wrestling skills and generala knowledge of BJJ trumps a black belts BJJ with general knowledge of wrestling (At least when it comes to fighting in a cage with MMA rules). Anybody else got an opinion on this?

o yeah. all the time.

very true, but i think it has alot to do with natural ability as well. Olympic wrestlers are the best of the best. a regular joe who trains hard cannot neccesarily become an olympic athlete, but he CAN become a BJJ black belt.

jin2daj · 06-24-10, 11:45 PM

joe warren!!!!!!!

JuicedUp · 06-25-10, 12:20 AM

Varker · 06-25-10, 01:21 AM

Great picks.

jin2daj · 06-25-10, 05:27 AM

got lucky with warren, should have been a 28/28 draw... but ill take it! almost made a full month's rent on these picks!

sundin4prez · 06-25-10, 09:30 AM

Originally posted by jin2daj

got lucky with warren, should have been a 28/28 draw... but ill take it! almost made a full month's rent on these picks!

yep close call, had money on warren but wanted pitbull to win because i hate inactive american wrestlers....

ufcmma36 · 06-26-10, 12:13 PM

Sweet!