Here's a good article that pretty much sums up the deal with Rampage

Chairib · 06-02-10, 12:20 AM

A big part of it was the movie, but who he was fighting, and the fact it was a three round fight were major factors as well.

cky312 · 06-02-10, 03:09 AM

Rampage has said it publicly before, he fights to make money, and training for fights is not his favorite thing in life. The fact that Hollywood possibly pays more and the allure of being a potential superstar without any of the hard work he has to put in physically like the fight game has him out of place and out of mind.

bigsmitty · 06-02-10, 12:15 PM

I'm sure he went Hollywood for the cash and the lifestyle but is probably totally out of his element. I honestly think he hates dealing with Hollywood types, etc although him playing B.A. Baccus was a tailor-made role he couldn't pass up. Cheers

Kaladarus · 06-02-10, 05:07 PM

Originally posted by cky312

Rampage has said it publicly before, he fights to make money, and training for fights is not his favorite thing in life. The fact that Hollywood possibly pays more and the allure of being a potential superstar without any of the hard work he has to put in physically like the fight game has him out of place and out of mind.

The money like you said is what it will come down to. Rampage doesn't care about fighting or training if he doesn't need to do it. He was over 250lbs coming in to training camp and it was all unnecessary weight. If he continues doing both he wont have much of a career fighting.

36mafia · 06-02-10, 05:23 PM

thought he resigned to a multi-fight contract?

no way in hell dana would let one of his ponds just walk away like that

Straight Cash · 06-04-10, 11:31 PM

Rashad fought a really smart fight, I'm not convinced that there is a 'deal' with Rampage as much as Rashad just fighting smarter.

bogbat · 06-05-10, 02:05 AM

One of the big reasons he didn't do well is he caught the "gay" from someone in Hollywood.

Shane · 06-05-10, 12:33 PM

No, no... Rashad was gay. Quinton just layed there.

Tree Rollins · 06-05-10, 02:44 PM

Originally posted by Straight Cash

Rashad fought a really smart fight, I'm not convinced that there is a 'deal' with Rampage as much as Rashad just fighting smarter.

Have you seen all of Rampage' fights? There was definitely a 'deal' with Rampage. Not trying to take anything from Rashad. You're exactly right, he fought a really smart fight and he deserved the win. Rampage didn't deserve it. The right man won that fight.

phillybadboy · 06-05-10, 04:39 PM

Originally posted by Tree Rollins

http://www.sherdog.com/news/articles...ad-Hobby-24820

did u put the house on cotto yet?

Tree Rollins · 06-05-10, 06:02 PM

Originally posted by phillybadboy

did u put the house on cotto yet?

lol. nah, not yet. I'll bet him though so i hope you're right.

phillybadboy · 06-05-10, 10:10 PM

good luck, i got 1 time on it

Straight Cash · 06-05-10, 11:03 PM

Originally posted by Tree Rollins

Have you seen all of Rampage' fights? There was definitely a 'deal' with Rampage. Not trying to take anything from Rashad. You're exactly right, he fought a really smart fight and he deserved the win. Rampage didn't deserve it. The right man won that fight.

I have, I think Rashad made him this way in this fight though. Rashad's gameplan is primarily the reason Rampage looked bad.

phillybadboy · 06-05-10, 11:31 PM

hey TREE so won a new house

Tree Rollins · 06-06-10, 12:11 PM

Originally posted by Straight Cash

I have, I think Rashad made him this way in this fight though. Rashad's gameplan is primarily the reason Rampage looked bad.

I can see where you're coming from with that, but that isn't the first time someone has stepped into the ring with Rampage and tried to implement that same game plan. What Rashad did probably is the blueprint to beating a guy like Page, actually implementing that plan though is a whole nother thing. Rampage was tentative and always looked like he was 'thinking' instead of reacting and being instintive. When he fights instinctive and doesn't think, he knocks people out and he basically never gets taken down or handled, ever. I've never seen him like that, not that i can remember.
A lot of guys associated with MMA who have been through it will tell you ring-rust definitely exists. Dana White has said in the past that he's 100% sure that ring-rust exists and is a factor in a lot of instances similar to Rampage' situation. I said before the fight that ring rust was the whole reason i didn't want to bet it and i definitely wouldn't bet Rampage. I was sure it would be a factor.
Maybe it's just wishful thinking, but i really hope the old Rampage comes back, the guy out there against Rashad would never even make a title run let alone hold the title again.

ThisGuy · 06-06-10, 12:21 PM

Agreed, you just never know when age and the wars have caught up becaue the fights are spaced so far apart and you never know what's an isolated incident. Hopefully he goes back to being a wrecking machine

vassman86 · 06-06-10, 12:50 PM

Originally posted by Straight Cash

I have, I think Rashad made him this way in this fight though. Rashad's gameplan is primarily the reason Rampage looked bad.

Well put. Also, Rashad's wrestling was superior to Rampage's and it was very obvious that Quinton was having difficulty with it throughout the fight

Chairib · 06-06-10, 06:01 PM

Originally posted by Tree Rollins

I can see where you're coming from with that, but that isn't the first time someone has stepped into the ring with Rampage and tried to implement that same game plan. What Rashad did probably is the blueprint to beating a guy like Page, actually implementing that plan though is a whole nother thing. Rampage was tentative and always looked like he was 'thinking' instead of reacting and being instintive. When he fights instinctive and doesn't think, he knocks people out and he basically never gets taken down or handled, ever. I've never seen him like that, not that i can remember.
A lot of guys associated with MMA who have been through it will tell you ring-rust definitely exists. Dana White has said in the past that he's 100% sure that ring-rust exists and is a factor in a lot of instances similar to Rampage' situation. I said before the fight that ring rust was the whole reason i didn't want to bet it and i definitely wouldn't bet Rampage. I was sure it would be a factor.
Maybe it's just wishful thinking, but i really hope the old Rampage comes back, the guy out there against Rashad would never even make a title run let alone hold the title again.

Nope, the guy out there against Rashad was the same fighter but who couldn't get any offense mounted. That's because he got tied up in the clinch and couldn't get punches off. Randy Couture used a similar strategy against Vitor Belfort in their first fight.

The "old" Rampage, whatever that means, would have had just as much trouble with Rashad. Match up wise, Rashad's wrestling is a nightmare for guys who strike.

Tree Rollins · 06-06-10, 07:29 PM

Originally posted by Chairib

Nope, the guy out there against Rashad was the same fighter but who couldn't get any offense mounted. That's because he got tied up in the clinch and couldn't get punches off. Randy Couture used a similar strategy against Vitor Belfort in their first fight.

The "old" Rampage, whatever that means, would have had just as much trouble with Rashad. Match up wise, Rashad's wrestling is a nightmare for guys who strike.

Maybe I'm wrong. Maybe Rashad Evans really is a top 10 all time mixed martial arts fighter and couldn't even be slowed down by Rampage Jackson when Rampage is in his complete and total prime, and is fighting in the best shape ever, and in the strongest mental condition ever and physically at his peak.
Maybe Rashad Evans is that good. Maybe Rashad can beat one of Prides best ever fighters when that fighter is at his absolute 100% peak condition even after about a year off of fighting and a retirement and few 6 weeks of training. Clearly, Rampage was at his absolute peak, physcially and mentally. I mean, what could retirement and a year off do to a professional athlete? You guys could be right, Rampage must have been at his best ever. I guess Rashad just might be one of the greatest mixed martial artists in the history of humanity.

Tree Rollins · 06-06-10, 08:40 PM

i mean, Michael Jordan took 2 years off to play baseball and came back to the bulls, he was the same player instantly, right? I guess it was his opponents dominanace that caused him to shoot barely 40% and get eliminated in the early in the playoffs in his first year back. The league must have started to suck ass the next 3 years when he started to shoot 50% again and won 3 straight championships. I guess that first season he came back, he was as good as ever, i guess he just looked bad because his opponents were so awesome. There's no way he could have not been at his 100% best even after all that time off. It's not like he was rusty. I guess he just got lucky after he came back, because he was the same player and the league just got worse. Those opponents he lost to in that first year back, the same one's he dominated the next 3 years, they just got worse. It wasn't that Michael got back to his old self. The only reason he was able to win is because the league started to automatically suck 1 year after his return, so that's why he looked so good.

Right?