Junior dos Santos vs. Roy Nelson In The Works for UFC 117

brooks85 · 05-10-10, 03:59 PM

poor roy

brooks85 · 05-10-10, 04:03 PM

ill make sure i bet roy by decision just in case lol

playa420 · 05-10-10, 04:20 PM

Awful matcup for Roy here, Dos Santos is gonna knock him da **** out.The line should be at least -400

Kaladarus · 05-10-10, 07:03 PM

Originally posted by playa420

Awful matcup for Roy here, Dos Santos is gonna knock him da **** out.The line should be at least -400

Awful for sure, but it's what Roy keeps asking for. I do think this will be an entertaining fight though.

vassman86 · 05-10-10, 07:38 PM

I'll be rooting for Roy.

JuicedUp · 05-10-10, 08:11 PM

Roy just needs to get this on the ground...

I think big country would be a live dog.

stefan084 · 05-10-10, 08:17 PM

is this serious? roy will be killed. thats irresponsible match making that wil get roy seriously hurt i believe

knownone · 05-10-10, 09:20 PM

Originally posted by JuicedUp

Roy just needs to get this on the ground...

I think big country would be a live dog.

If you believe the black house hype JDS is better on the ground than standing up...

Tree Rollins · 05-10-10, 09:56 PM

Please let this fight happen. There is nothing more i want to see then Roy Nelson get KTFO.

JuicedUp · 05-10-10, 11:15 PM

Originally posted by knownone

If you believe the black house hype JDS is better on the ground than standing up...

...

Shane · 05-10-10, 11:33 PM

I don't see this ending well for Roy.

cky312 · 05-11-10, 02:14 AM

Gonna be interesting to see what the line opens at

bogbat · 05-11-10, 02:43 AM

I'll put a few bucks on Roy for sure if he's a big dog!

Dos Santos's ground game is still untested.

Originally posted by knownone

If you believe the black house hype JDS is better on the ground than standing up...

Won't believe it until I see it. Even if he has an amazing on the ground in the gym it's never the same in a real fight.

urge2kill · 05-11-10, 09:50 AM

Roy is gonna get lit up.

babyanni · 05-11-10, 12:06 PM

painful night for roy

THE_LOCKSMITH · 05-11-10, 09:39 PM

might go similar to Roys fight with Arlovski, but JDS has a better chin, not good for Roy

Tree Rollins · 05-12-10, 07:59 PM

As long as JDS doesn't get taken down, there's no way he loses this fight. And it's hard for me to see him being taken down by Roy.

Varker · 05-12-10, 11:46 PM

Nelson is screwed.

westerner · 05-14-10, 09:47 AM

Originally posted by knownone

If you believe the black house hype JDS is better on the ground than standing up...

Thats hilarious. They must also say he could pro-box with his stand up technique. Oh, so you're so supposed to jump as you whip your arms around when you throw a hook? heh.

Roy's got a bit less power and explosiveness, he's also older, but he's got more technical striking, way better clinch, way better takedowns and way better ground. The question is if JDS has suddenly learned how to throw sharp 1-2 hook combos and move his feet to keep a specific distance, because if he's too far Roy just slips his lead and trips him, if he's too close he gets tied up, clinched and taken down. Middle distance = JDS wins.

I don't think JDS wins though. He won't be able to get out of Roy's KFC SUPER SIDE MOUNT

westerner · 05-14-10, 09:50 AM

Originally posted by Tree Rollins

As long as JDS doesn't get taken down, there's no way he loses this fight. And it's hard for me to see him being taken down by Roy.

Why? JDS isn't the athlete or technician Arlovski is AND this is a guy who did a lot of sambo, still couldn't stop Roy's takedown more than 2 or 3 times in 1 round and ended up getting put in side control in the middle of the mat. Thank the ref for Andrei he got a bullshit stand up. If that didn't happen Roy would have won in about 2 minutes later and yall would be on his nuts like JDS.

westerner · 05-14-10, 09:52 AM

Originally posted by THE_LOCKSMITH

might go similar to Roys fight with Arlovski, but JDS has a better chin, not good for Roy

The thing is about JDS he's young, he gets excited quickly and starts loading up on everything making it really easy to take down. Roy is a seasoned vet who knows how to cover and roll, and when to punch back or tie up. Experience should be a big factor

Educ8d Degener8 · 05-14-10, 10:14 AM

Is there a multi-quote option for posting?

That aside, I think people are sleeping on Roy.

(and I'm a fan of JDS)

Tree Rollins · 05-14-10, 03:43 PM

Originally posted by westerner

Why? JDS isn't the athlete or technician Arlovski is AND this is a guy who did a lot of sambo, still couldn't stop Roy's takedown more than 2 or 3 times in 1 round and ended up getting put in side control in the middle of the mat. Thank the ref for Andrei he got a bullshit stand up. If that didn't happen Roy would have won in about 2 minutes later and yall would be on his nuts like JDS.

First, i'm not sure how to respond to this, it's kind of rambling and confusing. I guess you're trying to say that Roy will be able to take down JDS b/c he can take down Arlovski. JDS walks around at least 30 pounds heavier then Arlovski and fights at at least 20 pounds heavier, and dude is all muscle. Roy won't have a weight and strength advantage like he did against Andrei, in fact, he'll have a disadvantage in strength. Also, i never said Roy couldn't take him down, i said that taking JDS down was the only way he could win. I'm not sure he if he'll be able to take him down or not.

Eccocide · 05-14-10, 04:40 PM

Originally posted by Tree Rollins

First, i'm not sure how to respond to this, it's kind of rambling and confusing. I guess you're trying to say that Roy will be able to take down JDS b/c he can take down Arlovski. JDS walks around at least 30 pounds heavier then Arlovski and fights at at least 20 pounds heavier, and dude is all muscle. Roy won't have a weight and strength advantage like he did against Andrei, in fact, he'll have a disadvantage in strength. Also, i never said Roy couldn't take him down, i said that taking JDS down was the only way he could win. I'm not sure he if he'll be able to take him down or not.

Not going to get into who I think will win but I think you are off on ur weights. Arlovski always weighs in between 235-245. JDS hasnt broke the 240lb mark yet. Think he was 237 his last fight. Arlovski is a massive beast of a man in terms of size and muscle. They are around the same height as well.

westerner · 05-14-10, 04:48 PM

Originally posted by Tree Rollins

First, i'm not sure how to respond to this, it's kind of rambling and confusing. I guess you're trying to say that Roy will be able to take down JDS b/c he can take down Arlovski. JDS walks around at least 30 pounds heavier then Arlovski and fights at at least 20 pounds heavier, and dude is all muscle. Roy won't have a weight and strength advantage like he did against Andrei, in fact, he'll have a disadvantage in strength. Also, i never said Roy couldn't take him down, i said that taking JDS down was the only way he could win. I'm not sure he if he'll be able to take him down or not.

Who has JDS fought that has halfway decent takedowns or control? Has he even fought anyone as consistently successful in the division, or as well rounded? I doubt it.

Roy doesn't need a weight or strength advantage, and he didn't have one against Arlovski. Actually, Andrei had at least 3 or 4 inches reach maybe as many as 8, at least 3 inches in height, far better boxing than both Roy and JDS, and a better athlete then both men.

Strength will be a wash, even if its not JDS is still green and will get taken down unless he can stay more disciplined than he's shown so far in his career, with better movement too. Roy has power, JDS hangs his chin out and gets overexcited a lot, so yes Roy can KO him. Also, Roy's movement is really good and you can't underrate his seasoning in the game or his chin much.

JDS is a maturing guy fighting a grown man in Nelson who's finally getting the chance he's been waiting for. I'd say he's more motivated, he definitely is more technical, the question is do you believe in JDS' boxing that much?

This line is based completely on the UFC marketing machine. JDS should really be even or a dog.

oh and just rewatched his last fight with GG, as usual GG loses all his aggression after eating 1 clean punch, before that he was doing fine and JDS would take no risk, even with a guy much slower. The way he stands with his lead leg so far out too, Roy has great trips and a nice leg pick.

Tree Rollins · 05-14-10, 05:32 PM

Originally posted by westerner

Who has JDS fought that has halfway decent takedowns or control? Has he even fought anyone as consistently successful in the division, or as well rounded? I doubt it.

Roy doesn't need a weight or strength advantage, and he didn't have one against Arlovski. Actually, Andrei had at least 3 or 4 inches reach maybe as many as 8, at least 3 inches in height, far better boxing than both Roy and JDS, and a better athlete then both men.

Strength will be a wash, even if its not JDS is still green and will get taken down unless he can stay more disciplined than he's shown so far in his career, with better movement too. Roy has power, JDS hangs his chin out and gets overexcited a lot, so yes Roy can KO him. Also, Roy's movement is really good and you can't underrate his seasoning in the game or his chin much.

JDS is a maturing guy fighting a grown man in Nelson who's finally getting the chance he's been waiting for. I'd say he's more motivated, he definitely is more technical, the question is do you believe in JDS' boxing that much?

This line is based completely on the UFC marketing machine. JDS should really be even or a dog.

Please explain to me when Roy Nelson became the shit? who the hell has Roy Nelson beat? Brad Imes? Stefan Struve? Give me a break. Dos Santos has beaten Yvel, Werdum, Cro Cop, Gonzaga and Struve. Roy has as much to prove as JDS. Roy hasn't accomplished jack shit. This isn't a grappling tournament. The best striker he's fought is Arlovski and he got KTFO. If he can't take JDS down, he will get KTFO. I promise.

I'm sitting here arguing with someone who said Rashad Evans is quicker and more athletic then Jon Jones. What is wrong with me?

GoldRush7 · 05-14-10, 11:10 PM

Fatman is going down in this one

SweatySombrero · 05-14-10, 11:11 PM

Heavyweight contender Junior dos Santos will look to earn a title shot when he likely faces The Ultimate Fighter 10 winner Roy Nelson at UFC 117 on August 7 in Oakland, California. MMAjunkie today reported that the matchup is in the works for the UFC 117 pay-per-view main card.
Dos Santos (11-1) scored a first-round “Knockout of the Night” of Gabriel Gonzaga at UFC on Versus 1 in March for his fifth-straight UFC victory, with UFC President Dana White saying after the win that Dos Santos was in line for a title shot but would fight again before challenging for the belt.
Following back-to-back first-round KOs of Brendan Schaub in December and Stefan Struve in March, Nelson (15-4) was expected to face Cheick Kongo at UFC 116 in July, but the bout was scratched as Kongo is recovering from a back injury.
UFC 117 is headlined by middleweight champ Anderson Silva vs. Chael Sonnen and is also rumored to feature Thiago Alves vs. Jon Fitch and Matt Hughes vs. Ricardo Almeida.

o yeah. all the time

brooks85 · 05-14-10, 11:48 PM

roy couldnt handle kimbos striking

Vrakas · 05-22-10, 08:37 AM

roy has secret super power and fat man pride he will beat jds.jds will be focused on the large bell as have all the other ufc fighters.

Vrakas · 05-26-10, 05:58 PM

roy will plant in huge belly on jds and the fight will be over.