StrikeForce HEAVY ARTILLERY (May 15)

Vrakas · 05-13-10, 08:37 PM

All the Gracie's are useless. They need to stop fighting MMA and just teach jiu-jitsu.

bogbat · 05-13-10, 08:47 PM

Originally posted by Vrakas

All the Gracie's are useless. They need to stop fighting MMA and just teach jiu-jitsu.

It would be hard to get motivated to step in a cage when you can get paid thousands a day doing seminars.

bogbat · 05-13-10, 11:59 PM

How many of you guys are wagering on Brett Rogers? You can still get him at +235.

Overeem is a K1 level striker but Rogers seems Hungrier than ever, and it is quite possible he could KO him if he puts the pressure on. I think Rogers will come out very aggressive and push forward the whole time because in interviews it sounds like he regretted not doing this in the Fedor fight. How do you see Overeem deal with this?

JuicedUp · 05-14-10, 12:34 AM

Originally posted by Vrakas

All the Gracie's are useless. They need to stop fighting MMA and just teach jiu-jitsu.

Agreed.

Varker · 05-14-10, 01:55 AM

I'm liking rogers.

westerner · 05-14-10, 08:25 AM

Originally posted by bogbat

Doubt it, there's lot's of hype surrounding Jacare, he's arguably the best BJJ practitioner in MMA right now.

I would think ppl are high on him more for his stand up he showed last time out against Lindland. Jacare looks just about ready to see some big names.

edit: with that line Joey is a good look, he has legit stand up (always has) and Greg Jackson always gives him a shot with his gameplans. Jacare's chin is still not really known, I am a little suspicious of it due to his upkick KO from Mousasi.

westerner · 05-14-10, 08:31 AM

Originally posted by bogbat

How many of you guys are wagering on Brett Rogers? You can still get him at +235.

Overeem is a K1 level striker but Rogers seems Hungrier than ever, and it is quite possible he could KO him if he puts the pressure on. I think Rogers will come out very aggressive and push forward the whole time because in interviews it sounds like he regretted not doing this in the Fedor fight. How do you see Overeem deal with this?

I like Rogers with that line. Overeem is OVERrated, his K1 fights haven't shown much, Mousasi beat up some scrubs in K1 too then got outstruck by King Mo. Overeem fought guys with size disadvantages and that just weren't of average quality. Poturak, who's that? Also, the weakest part of reems game in that he gasses and quits. If you make him work and take damage he will give up. Alistair won't fight at range for long, he's scared, he wouldn't really stand with Buentello. In MMA he usually goes right for the clinch and isn't efficient with how he uses his energy much of the time.

Rogers is underrated on the ground, great in the clinch, and a pretty smart fighter. Also if he hits anyone they are gonna have problems. I think he KO's Alistair late in the 1st.

Vaughany · 05-14-10, 01:15 PM

Unit on Rogers at 12/5 and Britt at 11/8.

smarmy · 05-14-10, 01:31 PM

when will we find out if Randleman is going to fight?

playa420 · 05-14-10, 03:00 PM

Originally posted by westerner

I would think ppl are high on him more for his stand up he showed last time out against Lindland. Jacare looks just about ready to see some big names.

edit: with that line Joey is a good look, he has legit stand up (always has) and Greg Jackson always gives him a shot with his gameplans. Jacare's chin is still not really known, I am a little suspicious of it due to his upkick KO from Mousasi.

People are high on Jacare beacuse his a world class bjj champion, and has some of the best bjj in all of mma.Joeys takedown defense is trash, and Jacare will have no problems taken him down and getting a sub.Its a lot of juice to pay on Jacare, but its well worth it, he wins this fight over 90% of the time.

illmatick · 05-14-10, 04:43 PM

Originally posted by westerner

I like Rogers with that line. Overeem is OVERrated, his K1 fights haven't shown much, Mousasi beat up some scrubs in K1 too then got outstruck by King Mo. Overeem fought guys with size disadvantages and that just weren't of average quality. Poturak, who's that? Also, the weakest part of reems game in that he gasses and quits. If you make him work and take damage he will give up. Alistair won't fight at range for long, he's scared, he wouldn't really stand with Buentello. In MMA he usually goes right for the clinch and isn't efficient with how he uses his energy much of the time.

Rogers is underrated on the ground, great in the clinch, and a pretty smart fighter. Also if he hits anyone they are gonna have problems. I think he KO's Alistair late in the 1st.

good analysis on reem, I made the mistake of playing a shitty line early on Rogers, if I can get +220 before the fight I'll probably add on to my play

The HOFF · 05-14-10, 04:57 PM

The full results included:

MAIN CARD

Champ Alistair Overeem (253) vs. Brett Rogers (264) – for heavyweight title
Andrei Arlovski (242) vs. Antonio Silva (265.5)
Ronaldo "Jacare" Souza (186.5) vs. Joey Villasenor (186)
Roger Gracie (205.75) vs. Kevin Randleman (205)
Antwain Britt (204.5) vs. Rafael "Feijao" Cavalcante (206)

PRELIMINARY CARD (un-aired)

Justin DeMoney (169) vs. Jesse Finney (172)
Lyle Beerbohm (156) vs. Vitor Ribeiro (156)
Darryl Cobb (184) vs. Booker DeRousse (187)
Mike Chandler (170) vs. Sal Woods (170)
Lee Brousseau (204) vs. Fransisco France (206)
Tom Aaron (157.5) vs. Erik Steenberg (155)
Matt Ricehouse (156) vs. Greg Wilson (155)

westerner · 05-14-10, 05:09 PM

Originally posted by playa420

People are high on Jacare beacuse his a world class bjj champion, and has some of the best bjj in all of mma.Joeys takedown defense is trash, and Jacare will have no problems taken him down and getting a sub.Its a lot of juice to pay on Jacare, but its well worth it, he wins this fight over 90% of the time.

One thing I totally forgot is that, even though Jacare's chin is suspect, Joey has never really shown serious power. Even if Joey's takedown defense was good it wouldn't matter anyway, Jacare is a different level of athlete and explosive (and technical) enough to just pull gaurd and sweep him in like 1 second. I still want to see Jacare eat some decent shots on that chin and not see him fall over.

In MMA most fights wouldn't go the same way 90% of the time though, its a crazy sport. *cough*sokoudjou

westerner · 05-14-10, 05:13 PM

Originally posted by illmatick

good analysis on reem, I made the mistake of playing a shitty line early on Rogers, if I can get +220 before the fight I'll probably add on to my play

I should make a little disclaimer, I don't personally like Overeem whatsoever. I think he's an egotistical, fat head (literal and figurative) douche bag supreme who has no heart and really is a fighter because he's a narcissist and wants to be a celebrity. I don't really care about him juicing or whatever, because almost everyone does it and has its plus and minus for everybody, but its his bitch character, like rampage. Anyway, take my opinion on him (and Rampage) with a grain of salt, but this is the internet so none of our opinions mean more than the idiot reading them assigns to it.

illmatick · 05-14-10, 05:20 PM

overeem's hands have never really impressed me, certain fights in K-1 I remember where it looked like he was still trying to push his punches, my biggest concern is Roger's willingness to initiate the clinch, hope to god he tries to keep his distance with the Jab, Overeem's knees from that position pose the most serious threat to rogers in this fight imo

Vrakas · 05-14-10, 05:34 PM

fedor better get a crack at the belt next.

JuicedUp · 05-14-10, 05:36 PM

Originally posted by Vrakas

fedor better get a crack at the belt next.

yea and it will be a rematch with Rogers.

westerner · 05-14-10, 06:32 PM

Originally posted by illmatick

overeem's hands have never really impressed me, certain fights in K-1 I remember where it looked like he was still trying to push his punches, my biggest concern is Roger's willingness to initiate the clinch, hope to god he tries to keep his distance with the Jab, Overeem's knees from that position pose the most serious threat to rogers in this fight imo

Overeem has never controlled a guy the same size as he is now in the clinch, and the only guy in K1 he fought that had size remotely similar was Badr Hari at 6'6 with a different, lanky body. I think Rogers has too much core strength to be controlled at all by Alistair, he should be able to do the same thing he did to Fedor and Abongo. Rogers could bulldoze him up against that cage and make Reem shoulder his weight until he'd rather quit.

Your right though about knees to the body, I was listening to the radio today breaking it down and someone brought up that Brett has a great chin but doesn't like those body shots much. I think it was against abongo he got kneed to the body and legs and would immediately try toclose up the clinch or break.

westerner · 05-14-10, 06:37 PM

Originally posted by JuicedUp

yea and it will be a rematch with Rogers.

If it was up to me I'd have announced Lawal x Sheilds for the 185 title already and if he wins Lawal goes to HW and fights Fedor

E-Feds gonna retire soon lets just see the really interesting fights.

The HOFF · 05-14-10, 07:22 PM

I made one play so far

ANTONIO SILVA +155 (2u to win 3.1u)

JuicedUp · 05-14-10, 08:42 PM

yea Im liking silva at the moment. good value there.

vassman86 · 05-14-10, 08:58 PM

I can't believe Brett Rogers is the main event of another card.

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The HOFF · 05-15-10, 06:00 AM

Brett Rogers shaved his mohawk = loss

MadTiger · 05-15-10, 06:02 AM

Originally posted by The HOFF

Brett Rogers shaved his mohawk = loss

If that's where he stored his mojo, then you may have a point.

MadTiger · 05-15-10, 06:03 AM

Originally posted by vassman86

I can't believe Brett Rogers is the main event of another card.

If he wins, he gets Fedor again, I guess. Big enough.

JuicedUp · 05-15-10, 09:46 AM

Educ8d Degener8 · 05-15-10, 02:24 PM

I've warmed up to the value in Rogers as a dog... I've waffled back and forth on it. If he fights a smart fight and his gas tank holds up (for as long as this fight lasts), I'm gonna roll with him. I doubt he'll catch Overeem with a flash KO, so I'm (and anyone who is betting on Rogers) is counting on a TKO / gnp finish, no?

I'm somewhat going against my logical thinking on this one (but hey I did that on Jeremy Stephens over Stout and it worked out). Overeem should have the technical striking advantage as well as top sub game advantage. Rogers will somehow have to bully Overeem around for a TKO or gnp, and he might expose himself to vicious knees in doing so; or if he puts his neck out there -- he gets guillotined.

I think what is really influencing me here is that Overeem has not tested himself against a legit HW. So he's either gonna prove his mettle here, or prove all the doubters correct. I do think the line is 'right' here as Overeem has more ways to win it imho, and logic tells me we get to see Overeem vs Fedor, but I'm rolling with Rogers... {actually I'm just gonna make a small line value parlay with gasp, Villasenor; really just gonna enjoy the card mostly}

(don't like that Rogers shaved the hawk though) ;p

Fiasco01 · 05-15-10, 02:56 PM

Anyone liking Feijao?

Vaughany · 05-15-10, 05:05 PM

Just a unit on Britt for me. Was gonna put a unit on Rogers but he has dropped from +225 to +200 on PaddyPower so wont be betting on him now. Wudnt be surprised to see Randleman pull off the win against Gracie and Beerbomb beat Ribeiro tho.