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    Quote Originally Posted by JIBBBY View Post
    Isreal maybe the real deal..
    He is. He's slick as Hell on the ground too.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Kermit View Post
    Should be an easy 50-45.
    49-46 is pretty asinine. Felt like the last few rounds could have been 10-8s

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    Quote Originally Posted by turbozed View Post
    Israel with the next level striking. Looked like black Saenchai out there.

    The hype is real. Was favorite in all three UFC fights though.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Richard Clock View Post
    49-46 is pretty asinine. Felt like the last few rounds could have been 10-8s
    Yeah, he landed some big shots, but Taveres took them well. That huge knee that Israel landed in the 3rd round would have finished most fighters in that weight class.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Kermit View Post
    He is. He's slick as Hell on the ground too.
    Yup I won't fade him in the future.. I'll remember that..

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    Who are the ones with the best take downs in Israel's division and who are the best wrestlers?

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    Quote Originally Posted by turbozed View Post
    Watched Adesanya/Tavares tape today and think Adesanya is the right side now that the lines are closer to even. Can't be too big on Israel though because this is a 5 rounder and I'm not sure how Israel is going to look in rounds 4 and 5 if it gets there.

    Although Vettori is not as skilled of a fighter as Tavares all around, I think he might have been a worse style matchup for Israel since Vettori brings more pressure and is a bit tougher. He also has second level attack after his first combo (either going for a takedown or throwing another combo) whereas Tavares pretty much has one salvo in every exchange. Tavares is bit more accurate and has a faster trigger. Unless Tavares has a great pressure offensive wrestling game that he's been keeping in his pocket all these years, I don't think he can bring the same type of pressure and pace that Vettori brought.

    Israel did look like he had at least another round in him in the Vettori fight but maybe would have given ground a bit due to Vettori's pace and maybe might have let himself get taken down. I don't think Israel by decision is out of the question as the lines suggest, but agree that a stoppage is more likely for Israel. Some of those clean shots that Vettori took looked like trouble if landing on Tavares' chin. Tavares also dashes into his strikes, which is going to be necessary to overcome the reach disadvantage, but is going to be very dangerous against an accurate counter-striker like Israel. I can see Tavares overextending himself with an overhand right and eating a flush knee, for example.

    Even with a decent sense of the matchup, I'm having a hard time thinking of ways to play this besides the ML. I'll wait until the o/u and round props come out, but would like your opinions.
    Very rarely do things play out the way I call them. Glad this one did!
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    Does this mean Vettori is better than Tavares?

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    Quote Originally Posted by JIBBBY View Post
    Yup I won't fade him in the future.. I'll remember that..
    He was one of the more confident bets that I've made in quite some time. I didn't have a ton on him, but I felt very good about laying a bet on him and felt like it was a lock.

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    Israel Adesayna vs Derek Brunson next ... book it

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    Quote Originally Posted by Thrilla View Post
    Who are the ones with the best take downs in Israel's division and who are the best wrestlers?
    weidman, Jacare, Romero
    not a ton of wrestlers at the top of 85 who will be around much longer... Israel only 28

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    Quote Originally Posted by Thrilla View Post
    Does this mean Vettori is better than Tavares?
    Hard to say. Tavares went 5 rounds with Israel and Vettori only went 3.

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    Quote Originally Posted by firekillex View Post
    Israel Adesayna vs Derek Brunson next ... book it
    Sounds about right.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Thor4140 View Post
    If u are a terrible judge this could be two two. Round 1 close round 4 a takedown
    One guy had it 49-46 lol

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    Quote Originally Posted by Thrilla View Post
    Does this mean Vettori is better than Tavares?
    Tavares is just a better style matchup for Israel. But Tavares is all around better than Vettori IMO. If the two fought, Tavares would beat Vettori in striking exchanges and Vettori would fail on all his attempts to grapple.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Kermit View Post
    He was one of the more confident bets that I've made in quite some time. I didn't have a ton on him, but I felt very good about laying a bet on him and felt like it was a lock.
    I felt the same way. I did get worried when the line swung to Tavares like the books knew of an injury or some shit

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    Quote Originally Posted by firekillex View Post
    Israel Adesayna vs Derek Brunson next ... book it
    I think he does about the same type of beating on Brunson as he did on Tavares. Might even knock him out. He is starting to look like that other 185er who dominated for years. I’m sure Dana loves his cocky shit too loll.

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    Quote Originally Posted by the1yankee View Post
    muchos gracias Hugo Di nero

    -3.5 De La Rosa
    Fuckk yeah bro

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    Quote Originally Posted by firekillex View Post
    Israel Adesayna vs Derek Brunson next ... book it
    Brunson just got injured. Pulled out of a scheduled fight with ACJ

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    Quote Originally Posted by turbozed View Post
    Very rarely do things play out the way I call them. Glad this one did!
    Nailed it. #MaxBetSeason

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    Quote Originally Posted by Thor4140 View Post
    I think he does about the same type of beating on Brunson as he did on Tavares. Might even knock him out. He is starting to look like that other 185er who dominated for years. I’m sure Dana loves his cocky shit too loll.
    Probably would knock out Brunson.. Tavares took some shots that most other fighters could not take...

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    Israel saying hell be watching the fight tomorrow night with Hall vs New Vitor and wants the winner of that.. guess he wants to get his feet wet a bit more before getting near the top 5

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    Yeah that was awesome watching Adesanya put on a clinic. I enjoyed the De La Rosa/Ostovich fight (and not just because of the titties). I also enjoyed Violent Bob Ross. Did you guys see those marks all over his body? What was that?

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    The Ultimate Fighter 27 Finale: Adesanya vs. Tavares Picks:
    Gerald Meerschaert Round 1 [Technical] Submission (Arm-Triangle Choke)
    Steven Peterson Round 2 TKO (Punches)
    Tyler Diamond Round 3 TKO (Punches)
    Allan Zuniga Unanimous Decision (30-27, 29-28 x2)
    Luis Pena Round 1 Submission (Rear-Naked Choke)
    Montana De La Rosa Round 3 Submission (Armbar)
    Julian Marquez Round 2 TKO (Punches)
    Barb Honchak Split Decision (29-28 x2, 28-29)
    Martin Bravo Unanimous Decision (30-27 x3)
    Brad Katona Unanimous Decision (30-27 x2, 29-28)
    Joe Giannetti Round 1 Submission (Rear-Naked Choke)
    Israel Adesanya Round 2 TKO (Punches)

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    Quote Originally Posted by Hugo de Naranja View Post
    Nailed it. #MaxBetSeason
    I don't go back on my bets very often and got a good price on Tavares. But after we talked I thought about it more and just couldn't see Tavares fighting any different than he usually fights which as we saw equals a terrible style matchup. So thanks for that bro.

    Israel might be the best muay thai to mma stylist I've seen and I'm a huge fan. From the feints, defense, and footwork, he's got the slickness of a Jocky Gym guy.

    Israel is black Saenchai

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    The Ultimate Fighter 27 Finale: Adesanya vs. Tavares

    Fight Pass Prelims:

    Fight #1: Piechota vs. Meerschaert
    Meerschaert (+270) +2.7u
    Meerschaert ITD (+380) +3.8u

    Hedge:
    Piechota Submission (+605) -.5u

    Result: Gerald Meerschaert Round 2 Technical Submission (Rear-Naked Choke)
    Fight: +6u
    Card: +6u

    Fight #2: Peterson vs. Bessette
    Peterson ITD (+300) -1u
    Peterson KO/TKO (+560) -.5u

    Result: Steven Peterson Split Decision (29-28 x2, 28-29)
    Fight: -1.5u
    Card: +4.5u

    Fox Sports 1 Prelims:

    Fight #3: Diamond (DEBUT) vs. Mitchell (DEBUT)
    Diamond ITD (+305) -1u

    Added:
    Diamond (+120) -2.5u

    Result: Bryce Mitchell Majority Decision (29-28 x2, 28-28)
    Fight: -3.5u
    Card: +1u

    Fight #4: Zuniga (DEBUT) vs. Gunther (DEBUT)
    Zuniga (+135) -1.5u

    Result: John Gunther Majority Decision (29-28 x2, 28-28)
    Fight: -1.5u
    Card: -0.5u

    Fight #5: Pena (DEBUT) vs. Smullen (DEBUT)
    Pena Submission (+270) +4.725u

    Result: Luis Pena Round 1 Submission (Mounted Guillotine Choke)
    Fight: +4.725u
    Card: +4.225u

    Fight #6: De La Rosa vs. Ostovich
    De La Rosa+Ostovich Won’t Go Distance (+145) +1.45u
    De La Rosa -3.5 (+145) +1.45u
    De La Rosa Submission (+370) +1.35u

    Result: Montana De La Rosa Round 3 Submission (Rear-Naked Choke)
    Fight: +4.25u
    Card: +8.475u

    Main Card:

    Fight #7: Marquez vs. Di Chirico
    Marquez Submission (+605) -.5u

    Result: Alessio Di Chirico Split Decision (29-28 x2, 28-29)
    Fight: -0.5u
    Card: +7.975u

    Fight #8: Modafferi vs. Honchak
    No Bet

    Result: Roxanne Modafferi Round 2 TKO (Elbows)

    Fight #9: Bravo vs. Caceres
    Bravo (+105) -2u

    Result: Alex Caceres Split Decision (29-28 x2, 28-29)
    Fight: -2u
    Card: +5.975u

    Fight #10: Katona (DEBUT) vs. Cucciniello (DEBUT)
    No Bet

    Result: Brad Katona Unanimous Decision (30-26 x3)

    Fight #11: Giannetti (DEBUT) vs. Trizano (DEBUT)
    No Bet

    Result: Mike Trizano Split Decision (29-28 x2, 28-29)

    Fight #12: Adesanya vs. Tavares
    Adesanya (-124) +4u

    Result: Israel Adesanya Unanimous Decision (50-45 x2, 49-46)
    Fight: +4u
    Card: +9.975u

    Straight Parlays:
    Katona+Cucciniello O2.5/Giannetti/Adesanya (+421) -.5u
    Marquez/Honchak/Bravo (+523) -.5u
    Meerschaert/Peterson/Zuniga (+1400) -.5u

    Results: See Above
    Fights: -1.5u
    Card: +8.475u

    Prop Parlays:
    Diamond/Pena ITD/De La Rosa+Ostovich WGD (+476) -.5u

    Results: See Above
    Fights: -.5u
    Results: +7.975u

    Full Card Props:
    None

    FOTN: Caceres+Bravo
    POTN: Adesanya, Pena
    Fastest Submission: Pena R1 (3:32)
    Fastest KO: Modafferi R2 (3:32)
    Decisions: 8
    Results: See Above
    Fights: +0u
    Final Card Total = +7.975u
    Last edited by Hugo de Naranja; 07-07-18 at 12:23 PM.

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    Quote Originally Posted by turbozed View Post
    I don't go back on my bets very often and got a good price on Tavares. But after we talked I thought about it more and just couldn't see Tavares fighting any different than he usually fights which as we saw equals a terrible style matchup. So thanks for that bro.

    Israel might be the best muay thai to mma stylist I've seen and I'm a huge fan. From the feints, defense, and footwork, he's got the slickness of a Jocky Gym guy.

    Israel is black Saenchai
    Definitely like the Saenchai comp.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Teem View Post
    Did you guys see those marks all over his body? What was that?
    hot cup therapy(whatever they call it)

    https://www.webmd.com/balance/guide/cupping-therapy

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    Quote Originally Posted by Sanity Check View Post
    hot cup therapy(whatever they call it)

    https://www.webmd.com/balance/guide/cupping-therapy
    Nah. Not on Pena. There was definitely some kind of skin issue going on.

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    Quote Originally Posted by PAULYPOKER View Post
    There is one thing I know for sure........


    If CORMIER beats MIOCIC, the Ultimate Fighter series is shady at best.........

    Anyone watch that owners vs owners UF season?
    That was BS to the max.............
    Did you all see Cormier turn full WWE 0n Lesnar after fight?"?

    That was clearly rehearsed........
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    Originally Posted by PAULYPOKER
    There is one thing I know for sure........


    If CORMIER beats MIOCIC, the Ultimate Fighter series is shady at best.........

    Anyone watch that owners vs owners UF season?
    That was BS to the max.............



    Did you all see Cormier turn full WWE 0n Lesnar after fight?"?

    That was clearly rehearsed........


    #93



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    Quote Originally Posted by Shagdogy View Post
    Pena + Piechota parlay -119, 3u to win 2.52u
    Pena + Katona parlay -122, 2u to win 1.64u
    Trizano +150, 1u to win 1.5u
    Marquez -140, 1u to win .71u
    Tavares -105 (bad line I know), 1.05u to win 1u

    Good luck everyone!
    Card Total: 2-3, -1.91u

    YTD: 88-76, +19.76u

    Event Total: 11-9

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