Bellator Fighting Championships

The HOFF · 05-11-10, 02:17 PM

MMAjunkie.com has confirmed with multiple sources, including Rebney, that former UFC fighter Jay Silva replaced Filho and meets Bellator middleweight champ Hector Lombard in the event's non-title headliner.

JuicedUp · 05-11-10, 04:38 PM

Originally posted by The HOFF

MMAjunkie.com has confirmed with multiple sources, including Rebney, that former UFC fighter Jay Silva replaced Filho and meets Bellator middleweight champ Hector Lombard in the event's non-title headliner.

You think this silva cat has any shot?

illmatick · 05-11-10, 06:57 PM

silva couldn't stuff Leben's takedowns

ghost kid · 05-11-10, 07:55 PM

Originally posted by juicedup

you think this silva cat has any shot?

zero

bogbat · 05-11-10, 08:18 PM

This sucks, Jay Silva is coming off losses to C.B Dollaway and Chris Leben. Hector Lombard is going to completely destroy him.

The HOFF · 05-12-10, 04:43 PM

The full weigh-in results included:

MAIN CARD

Hector Lombard (187.1) vs. Jay Silva (191.2)*
Wilson Reis (144.8) vs. Patricio "Pitbull" Freire (144.4)
Georgi Karakhanyan (145.9) vs. Joe Warren (144.8)
Shawn Jordan (260.3) vs. Douglas Williams ()+

PRELIMINARY CARD

Mike Braswell (147.1) vs. Brock Kerry (147.4)*
William Albrecht (199.5) vs. Jason Anderson (202.7)
Jules Bruchez (184.3) vs. Lamont Stafford (185.8)
Christian Fulgium (178.8) vs. Charlie Rader (171.3)*

* - Agreed to compete in a catchweight contest
+ - Williams has not yet weighed-in

Educ8d Degener8 · 05-13-10, 10:18 AM

No plays for me... Couldn't get the early Georgi line which would've been my only play. Will be rooting for Karakhanyan though...

Just gonna sit back and watch these.

BOL to all.

Educ8d Degener8 · 05-18-10, 12:53 AM

Bellator 19...

Featherweight Superfight: Joe Soto vs. Diego Saraiva

WW tourney: Dan Hornbuckle vs. Steve Carl
WW tourney: Ben Askren vs. Ryan Thomas

Prelims
Bantamweight bout: Aaron Wise vs. Doug Frey
Middleweight bout: Donyiell Winrow vs. Josh Smith
Bantamweight bout: Jared Lopez vs. Johnny Bedford
Heavyweight bout: Ty Lee vs. Scott Barrett
Welterweight bout: Brandon McDowell vs. Joe Christopher
Featherweight bout: Daniel Pineda vs. Chas Skelly

Anyone have a link resource to the previous fights? My usual sources have run dry...

ED

Educ8d Degener8 · 05-18-10, 01:01 PM

Bump for anyone that might know where the previous Bellator fights might be archived for viewing...

Thx in advance.

ED

The HOFF · 05-18-10, 01:38 PM

Originally posted by Educ8d Degener8

Bump for anyone that might know where the previous Bellator fights might be archived for viewing...

mma-core.com has quite a few from this season but not a whole lot from last season.

Educ8d Degener8 · 05-18-10, 06:13 PM

Originally posted by The HOFF

mma-core.com has quite a few from this season but not a whole lot from last season.

Thx Hoff, that's my usual source but it looks like SF is cracking down and the video links are dead...

illmatick · 05-19-10, 12:23 AM

what a joke, Dan opened at -415 against a scrub

illmatick · 05-19-10, 04:32 AM

anyone else think ryan is worth a small play at +385

1. super active off his back
2. completely dismantled a black belt on the mat in his last fight
3. huge edge in striking, even though the fight wont be on the feet for very long
4. had askren in a nice triangle in the first minute of their first fight
5. nasty ground and pound, some of his older fights were just brutal Ko's from his gnp

here you go edu http://v.youku.com/v_show/id_XMTY1NTY1OTE2.html

The HOFF · 05-19-10, 04:56 AM

The HOFF · 05-19-10, 04:58 AM

Originally posted by illmatick

anyone else think ryan is worth a small play at +385

I saw that line and was very surprised. It's not like Askren dominated him in that win by a bad ref call. I think Thomas is worth a small play.

Educ8d Degener8 · 05-19-10, 10:51 AM

Originally posted by illmatick

anyone else think ryan is worth a small play at +385

1. super active off his back
2. completely dismantled a black belt on the mat in his last fight
3. huge edge in striking, even though the fight wont be on the feet for very long
4. had askren in a nice triangle in the first minute of their first fight
5. nasty ground and pound, some of his older fights were just brutal Ko's from his gnp

here you go edu http://v.youku.com/v_show/id_XMTY1NTY1OTE2.html

Was gonna make a similar post yesterday when the line came out.

Askren shouldn't be that large a Fav. He's too green at this point. I do give him the overall edge via control through grappling with sub finish potential. But Thomas is better standing with KO potential. And Thomas is active off his back as you pointed out. Askren is the fav here, but the value is with Thomas imho.

As an analogous fight -- consider the Koscheck vs Daley line. Koscheck = Askren; Daley = Thomas. Askren has the grappling and sub advantage as Koscheck did. Thomas has the striking advantage as Daley did.... Now, one might point out that Thomas doesn't have the striking acumen of Daley which is true. But, this is offset by Thomas having a better guard than Daley, imo. (and no, I'm not saying Askren is as good as Koscheck, I'm referring to skill sets of the fighters in relative terms considering their opponents)

This might be a no-play for me, but I see value with Thomas.

terpkeg · 05-19-10, 01:07 PM

Originally posted by Educ8d Degener8

Was gonna make a similar post yesterday when the line came out.

Askren shouldn't be that large a Fav. He's too green at this point. I do give him the overall edge via control through grappling with sub finish potential. But Thomas is better standing with KO potential. And Thomas is active off his back as you pointed out. Askren is the fav here, but the value is with Thomas imho.

As an analogous fight -- consider the Koscheck vs Daley line. Koscheck = Askren; Daley = Thomas. Askren has the grappling and sub advantage as Koscheck did. Thomas has the striking advantage as Daley did.... Now, one might point out that Thomas doesn't have the striking acumen of Daley which is true. But, this is offset by Thomas having a better guard than Daley, imo. (and no, I'm not saying Askren is as good as Koscheck, I'm referring to skill sets of the fighters in relative terms considering their opponents)

This might be a no-play for me, but I see value with Thomas.

I hit this too early at opener +310, then again at +400. Thomas way more dangerous from bottom than Daley. I thought the first fight was fairly even until poor stoppage. While Thomas is prone to the sub, Askren is very green. The choke that ended the first fight was not a fight finisher and for all we know Askren would have blown his load cranking on it. I would not even take Askren if he was -200. I am curious as to who bet this line up. Any Askren takers here?

terpkeg · 05-19-10, 01:08 PM

However, I am in my worst MMA slump since i started betting the sport about 4 years ago. So, Askren will probably finish in first.

Educ8d Degener8 · 05-19-10, 01:20 PM

Terp -- You are playing the right side of the bet, imo. Askren should be a -200ish (I'd quickly say -180 to -240 range) fav, not -535!

You're making the correct bet value-wise. It's either a Thomas wager or a no-play at these odds.

BOL

playa420 · 05-19-10, 11:17 PM

Im going with on joe soto in this so called "super fight". Soto is a well rounded mma fighter with a strong wrestling background vs a ufc reject.Diego got outboxed by Dustin hazlet and Jorge Grugel, lol.Soto is gonna pick this ho apart and get a ko or a unanimous decision!!!!!

JuicedUp · 05-20-10, 12:13 PM

This Ryan Thomas number just doesn't look right. +425? I'm tempted to take a crack at that.

illmatick · 05-20-10, 02:59 PM

Originally posted by illmatick

what a joke, Dan opened at -415 against a scrub

most puzzling line of the year, down to -325, did these assholes watch Steve Carl in his last fight?

complete bum who didn't even deserve the decision against cooper

Educ8d Degener8 · 05-20-10, 03:48 PM

Originally posted by illmatick

most puzzling line of the year, down to -325, did these assholes watch Steve Carl in his last fight?

complete bum who didn't even deserve the decision against cooper

And at the same time, Askren is damn near -600 against Ryan Thomas...

Are we missing something...?

How's a Hornbuckle / Woodley parlay sound? 1.00u bet pays 0.63u... I can't make that play without seeing Coy though.

chrisharvard01 · 05-20-10, 07:21 PM

bump

still dont know who to play

illmatick · 05-20-10, 07:31 PM

mma linemaker Odessa said that everyone was On Carl, how can the mma public be that ignorant ?

GoGoGadget · 05-20-10, 08:27 PM

That was a big ass cut!

The HOFF · 05-26-10, 03:23 AM

Date: May 27, 2010

Location: San Antonio, Texas
Venue: Majestic Theatre
Broadcast: FOX Sports Net

MAIN CARD

Bryan Baker vs. Eric Schambari (middleweight tourney semifinal)
Jared Hess vs. Alexander Shlemenko (middleweight tourney semifinal)
Wayne Cole vs. Eddie Sanchez
Nik Mamalis vs. Mark Oshiro*

PRELIMINARY CARD

Aaron Rosa vs. Robert Villegas
Andrew Chappelle vs. Cedric Marks
Brian Melancon vs. Adam Schindler
Humberto DeLeon vs. Jimmy Flick

The HOFF · 05-26-10, 03:23 AM

The HOFF · 05-26-10, 01:30 PM

Wayne Cole is out, and Marcus Sursa is in for a main-card heavyweight bout with UFC veteran Eddie Sanchez at Thursday's Bellator 20 event.

A source close to the organization told MMAjunkie.com that Cole failed to finalize his medical work with the Texas Commission of Licensing and Regulation and wasn't cleared for the fight.

playa420 · 05-26-10, 02:39 PM

This looks like another solid bellator card.Yesterday I was able to get Hess -425, in what should be a very easy fight for him.The russian hes facing has no ground game and some weak ass standup.Hess is gonna take him down and pound him out or get a sub.

The HOFF · 05-26-10, 10:45 PM

The full weigh-in results included:

MAIN CARD

Bryan Baker (186) vs. Eric Schambari (185)
Jared Hess (185.2) vs. Alexander Shlemenko (184.8)
Eddie Sanchez (234.4) vs. Marcus Sursa (219.2)
Nik Mamalis (135.2) vs. Mark Oshiro (135.4)

PRELIMINARY CARD

Aaron Rosa (205.2) vs. Robert Villegas (205.2)
Brian Melancon (161.2) vs. Adam Schindler (154.8)*
Andrew Chappelle (174.8) vs. Cedric Marks (166.8)*
Humberto DeLeon (124.6) vs. Jimmy Flick (124.6)
Kenneth Battle (154.8) vs. Fernando Rodriguez (154.8)

* - Bout to be contested at catchweight

illmatick · 05-27-10, 04:17 AM

Originally posted by playa420

This looks like another solid bellator card.Yesterday I was able to get Hess -425, in what should be a very easy fight for him.The russian hes facing has no ground game and some weak ass standup.Hess is gonna take him down and pound him out or get a sub.

his standup isn't bad but he's going to be taken down early and often

Educ8d Degener8 · 05-27-10, 06:43 PM

Hess
Schambari
Sanchez
Rosa

(I also played Shlemenko in a parlay with Schambari for fun)

Varker · 05-28-10, 01:09 AM

that was a nasty leg injury for hess.

Vaughany · 06-03-10, 12:36 PM

Hornbuckle at -150...no way Askren can avoid gettin tagged or submitted for 15 minutes...Hornbuckle is destined to win this tournament.