Fighting at 205 gives Vera huge advantage. Im completely lost on how he's +230 dog. Stepping down in weight will help him a lot and the fight should be even at best for Jones who really is untested. Best value I've seen since Okami/Sonnen.
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I agree. I don't understand how they came up with the odds on this one as this fight seems unpredictable. Vera is the fighter with more fighting experience and I don't see how moving down in weight can be a bad thing for him. Jones is a beast surely but I have this a s being an even if not very close to even fight.Comment -
i dont think there is ever value in vera. he doestn seem to have it to go for the win aggresivly. every fight he talks that he has changed and he is ready. then we see the same old version. if anythin, i wouldnt bet a fight he is in if i had any doubt as to the resultComment -
it might be an advantage to drop to 205 if he was just doing it now but this happened awhile ago, including his lackluster performance against Colture at the 205 weight.Comment -
If Vera was +300 id bet on him but he isnt explosive enough to beat Jones. Jus put ur money on Kongo, Schaub and PierceComment -
I have no play on this fight and I do agree that Vera shouldnt be this big of a dog, but your reasoning is flawed. You realize Vera has been fighting at 205 for almost 2 years now right? He's 3-2 with wins over Mike Patt, Reese Andy and Soszynski. He hasn't exactly lit it up since dropping lol. He seems to have lost his confidence since moving down which makes me stay away from this one.Comment -
Personally, I do not think there is value on Vera. From everything I have read regarding Jones' training, he is a complete phenom. Greg Jackson and Phil Nurse have been qouted saying Jones is a future 205 champ.
Only thing that Vera may have going for him is his more disiplined striking. Jones has already dispatched of solid wrestlers and a bjj blackbelt, but Stephan Bonnar (with a golden glove boxing background) is the best striker he has faced in the UFC. Bonnar's striking has not evolved much and he is too slow.
Thing is, Vera has not finished anyone with his striking in quite some time. He seems to let the other fighter dictate the pace of the fight and has trouble implementing his gameplan. I think Jones can keep Vera on his heels. Jones will take it to Vera imo.Comment -
I also like Vera here. Jones has yet to really impress me. I know he's got potential, but his gnp looked awful vs a 1armed Hammil and his best win to date has been versus Stephan Bonnar. The Stephan Bonnar fight went to a 29-28 decision and Stephan Bonnar is by no means a good fighter. Obviously he's improved a lot since then, but I dont think he's proved himself enough to justify the odds. Also Vera is very unlikely to get submitted and Jones has yet to KO/TKO anyone in the UFC. Vera didn't do great against Couture, but he did show some good take down defense and I do believe he has an advantage standing up. His 2 losses at 205 were close decisions to much better fighters than Jones has ever fought. Either way though I do see this as being a good fight, but my play will be on Vera.Comment -
In all, should make for an exciting fight... I don't think vera will be dominated here.Comment -
I would think that Vera's play it safe mentality may actually be an asset to him in this fight when you consider all the risks that Jones takes. At +230 it's worth a shot to see if Vera's discipline can catch Jones making a mistake. Stoked as hell for this fight.Comment -
i was going to do a 600 word blog/write up on the main card, but i just dont have the energy in me to finish it off. heres a sample to what i started.
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Brandon Vera (+205) vs. Jon Jones (-245)
If any two fighters in the UFC know about hype, it’s these two. Both entered the major promotion undefeated, with all stoppages I might add, and continued with three fight winning streaks each. The similarities between the two go on as they both have extensive back grounds in Greco-Roman wrestling and favor Muay Thai as their striking style of choice. They’re coming off disappointing losses and will look to prove a point in the main event.
The likenesses of the two end there as Vera’s performance has been lack luster in his recent bouts while Jon Jones has been astounding critics in regards to what a fighter in their early twenties can do. Since dropping to light heavy weight Vera has been inconsistent (going 3 - 2 in his last 5) and sub-par despite being the well rounded and versatile fighter he is. The drop in weight seems to have done more bad than good as he lost his knock out power and has had only one fight not go the distance since going 205. Brandon “The Truth” Vera typically relies on his longer reach to utilize his muay thai striking at a distance, but that will be proven ineffective with Jon Jones’s aggressive and unorthodox striking combined with his 84.5” wingspan compared to Vera’s 78”. Vera’s wrestling game has been vastly underrated but Jones will yet again outshine him in that dept. with his unpredictable trips, throws, and takedowns coming from every angle imaginable.
Conclusion:
Jones is going to dictate the match in whatever way he wants. Jon “Bones” Jones can do a spinning back elbow and high five the referee at the same time if he wanted to. He has a 6.5” reach on Vera and far superior wrestling. “The Truth” is Vera is going to get his ass handed to him and there is nothing he can do about it. I’m expecting a stand up brawl between the two ending the bout with a KO. There’s also a possibility of Jones pulling a sub from no where he learned at Team Jackson, I can also see the match go to a split decision. Luckily I’m not a major prop bettor and will stick to the ml.
Jones -245, 5X to win 2XComment -
I'm taking Vera... they keep showing all these explosive highlights of jones flying around and landing spinning backfists and crazy kicks, but who has he actually finished with any of those? He hasn't faced anybody close to Vera's striking ability and he really hasn't had to have his chin tested... if Vera can land a big shot on jones nobody knows how he is going to respond... I'll take my chances with VeraComment -
Vera 4-5 years ago was exciting... past two not so much.Comment -
Take that value and flush it............
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Maybe get Vera to fight Franklin and Couture to fight Jones for next title shot.Comment -
maybe now Vera should fight Chuck???Comment -
there are still several fight for Vera at 205, but after Couture and Jones losses he should not be main event fight no more. i'd watch many of his fights still
Ortiz, Liddell, Franklin, Nogueira, Griffin, T Silva, Cane, etcComment -
Vera is like a Frank Trigg...... Decent but not elite.
His new nickname should be the "gatekeeper" for the top 10.Comment
over rated