UFC 115 Discussion

[Kaladarus]

Any news on who Tito is fighting? and I'm guessing the episode that shocks everyone tomorrow is Franklin taking Tito's spot.

[illmatick]

Interested to see Griffin vs Dunham

, If i can Griffen at -160 or better I'm all over him, Dunham is a very game fighter though, I could quite possibly see it ending the same way his last fight ended, getting dominated for the first half of the fight and getting a possible sub late

[THE_LOCKSMITH]

not a great main event but still better than Liddell/Ortiz 3. Still don't get why Dana would deny it until now, week ago he was saying the mani event had no changed

[playa420]

lines out for the liddell/franklin fight

Chuck -115
Franklin -115

im really liking rich at those odds

[The HOFF]

[The HOFF]

Barry is already -140 at 5Dimes and Bookmaker. I jumped on it pretty large as I'm sure it will be moving.

[squallsquall]

Why is Franklin fav over Lidell?

[terpkeg]

Doesn't look like the Fitch vs Alves fight is going to be on this card. MMAjunkie has the official PPV main card listed as:

• Chuck Liddell vs. Rich Franklin
• Patrick Barry vs. Mirko "Cro Cop" Filipovic
• Martin Kampmann vs. Paulo Thiago
• Carlos Condit vs. Rory MacDonald
• Evan Dunham vs. Tyson Griffin

1st three fights of main card should all be excellent. Really curious to see how MacDonald looks against Condit.

[The HOFF]

1st three fights of main card should all be excellent. Really curious to see how MacDonald looks against Condit.

MacDonald/Condit is the fight I am looking forward to the most. Should be awesome.

[playa420]

Why is Franklin fav over Lidell?

Because Chucks washed up. Chucks 40 years old and 1-4 his last 5 fights.I was hoping Liddell would face Tito, so he could go out with a win, but it doesnt look like thats gonna happen now.Rich is a gift at anything below -200.

[squallsquall]

Because Chucks washed up. Chucks 40 years old and 1-4 his last 5 fights.I was hoping Liddell would face Tito, so he could go out with a win, but it doesnt look like thats gonna happen now.Rich is a gift at anything below -200.

Sounds reasonable...

[Vaughany]

Hopefully P.Thiago will beat at -200 to -250. He's going to win 100%.

[doubleleg]

I've got tickets. It's a heartbreaker that Wand isnt there anymore

[Vrakas]

Hopefully P.Thiago will beat at -200 to -250. He's going to win 100%.

Thiago is always improving and has looked great, he should take this fight.

[Pabinator]

Im assuming something happend to Tito?

[THE_LOCKSMITH]

how do they make odds for Wiman/Danzig before Condit/Macdonald or Thiago/Kampmann

[Vaughany]

Yee rather random tht Danzig and Wiman have odds out!

[The HOFF]

Date: Jun 12, 2010

Location: Vancouver, British Columbia, Canada
Venue: GM Place
Broadcast: Pay-per-view and Spike TV

MAIN CARD (Pay-per-view)

• Chuck Liddell vs. Rich Franklin
• Patrick Barry vs. Mirko "Cro Cop" Filipovic
• Martin Kampmann vs. Paulo Thiago
• Ben Rothwell vs. Gilbert Yvel
• Carlos Condit vs. Rory MacDonald

PRELIMINARY CARD (Spike TV)

• Mac Danzig vs. Matt Wiman
• Evan Dunham vs. Tyson Griffin

PRELIMINARY CARD (Not televised)

• David Loiseau vs. Mario Miranda
• Peter Sobotta vs. James Wilks
• Ricardo Funch vs. Claude Patrick
• Jesse Lennox vs. Mike Pyle

[The HOFF]

Even with a bad main event, this is a decent card that I'm looking forward to.

[Eccocide]

Chuck looking ripped.

[illmatick]

damn, I might be the only one leaning towards Chuck , probably end up avoiding this fight though

[Eccocide]

damn, I might be the only one leaning towards Chuck , probably end up avoiding this fight though

was leaning chuck as well, but I'm going to wait for round props. Like it to go over 1.5. Haven't decided yet tho.

[brooks85]

i dont see how chuck amounts any offense in this fight. His speed is gone and so is his chin, and we quickly saw chuck without his speed is just a liability. Franklin has made a living out of beating guys like chuck and rich is still dam good fighter. I really love this fight because of chucks striking style in general, chuck likes to sit back and rich should have no problem landing first and backing out.

[illmatick]

definitely doesn't have the same chin he used to but I think it's very debatable just how much of a chin he has left, he's been knocked out by Shogun and Rampage, arguably the two biggest punchers in the division, Franklin has some nice power but no way does it equal Rampage and Shoguns, the shot that rashad hit him with would have probably knocked out a lot of heavy weights

aside from the rampage fight Chuck was highly competitive against both Shogun and Rashad, I'm not so sure he wasn't on his way to a 10-9 round against shogun, i still need to go back and rewatch the fight. You make a good point about the speed advantage though, Franklin's best bet is to employ a similar style to the way he beat Wand, in and out with the jab and use his superior footwork. I've also heard rumblings about how chuck may look to implement more takedowns into his game plan, that could spell trouble for Franklin, I think we saw glimpses of that against Shogun

I've had a really bad read on Franklin fights in the past so that's the primary reason I may be sitting this one out

[THE_LOCKSMITH]

Chuck looking ripped.

wow, is this a recent picture or from like 15 years ago

[Kaladarus]

Franklin's got an edge, but I'll take Chuck if the line gets a little better. Franklin really hasn't beat or fought anyone that great lately and the opponents he has fought that are similar to Chucks recent opponents have ended in similar results. Also Chucks been training really hard because he thought he was going to fight Tito. Pretty much all of Franklin's recent wins in my opinion would have been Chuck's wins if he was fighting those opponents. I also don't think Franklin's got anywhere near the KO power that anyone that's KO'd Chuck has. This should be a close fight and it will probably end in a close decision.

[Chairib]

UFC 115: JUNE 12, 2010
venue: General Motors Palace in Vancouver, British Columbia, Canada

Main Bouts (On Pay-Per-View):
-Chuck Liddell (21-7) vs. Rich Franklin (26-5)
-Mirko "Cro Cop" Filipovic (26-7-2) vs. Pat Barry (5-1)
-Paulo Thiago (13-1; #5 Welterweight)* vs. Martin Kampmann (16-3; #10 Welterweight)*
-Ben Rothwell (30-7) vs. Gilbert Yvel (36-14-1)
-Carlos Condit (24-5) vs. Rory MacDonald (10-0)

Preliminary Bouts (On Spike TV):
-Mac Danzig (19-7-1) vs. Matt Wiman (11-5)
-Tyson Griffin (14-2) vs. Evan Dunham (10-0)

Preliminary Bouts (Non-Televised):
-David Loiseau (19-9) vs. Mario Miranda (9-1)
-James Wilks (6-3) vs. Peter Sobotta (8-2)
-Claude Patrick (11-1) vs. Ricardo Funch (7-1)
-Mike Pyle (18-7-1) vs. Jesse Lennnox (11-2)

[stefan084]

Franklin's got an edge, but I'll take Chuck if the line gets a little better. Franklin really hasn't beat or fought anyone that great lately and the opponents he has fought that are similar to Chucks recent opponents have ended in similar results. Also Chucks been training really hard because he thought he was going to fight Tito. Pretty much all of Franklin's recent wins in my opinion would have been Chuck's wins if he was fighting those opponents. I also don't think Franklin's got anywhere near the KO power that anyone that's KO'd Chuck has. This should be a close fight and it will probably end in a close decision.

i actually think it will end in a knockout one way or the other because neither seem to have much of a chin anymore-probably do that prop bet at 5 dimes

[bogbat]

i actually think it will end in a knockout one way or the other because neither seem to have much of a chin anymore-probably do that prop bet at 5 dimes

I also like the prop that it doesn't go to decision.

I'd probably also make a small value play on Chuck too.

[Socrates]

Can't decide which fight to take. I'm liking rich franklin though.

[illmatick]

Griffen vs Dunham for free !

[Reload]

Looking forward to this card. They are showing it at some big screen movie theaters and I think I'll go check it out.

[36mafia]

how can you not like chuck @ +EV

[Eccocide]

New Chuck pic.

[36mafia]

no gut