Unbiased p4p rankings...

[Pride>UFC]

Sorry guys but I don't buy into the UFC hype machine...here are the p4p rankings...brought to you by GOD...yes, I am GOD.

1. Fedor= never lost, has beaten everyone except the Bob Sapp of the UFC. Not even an argument as to whether or not he's the greatest ever or ever will be. Has beaten the undisputed #2 heavyweight of all time twice in dominant fashion, not to mention a handful of other quality victories.

2. BJ= Hasn't lost a lightweight fight in nearly a decade. Unlike some fighters, he finishes his opponents, fights on the ground and on the feet (unlike someone who is afraid to stand), and has cleaned out the weight class in a few years in dominant fashion. bonus points for beating Matt Hughes in his prime at a higher weight class and fighting guys bigger than him (something that a certain homosexual welterweight is afraid to do)

3. Spider= Has beaten everyone in his weight class, and has finished anyone that he has tried to finish, not to mention has done it in spectacular highlight reel fashion.

4. GSP= great wrestler, good standup (when he shows it), without a doubt the greatest homosexual fighter there ever will be.

5. Mousasi= won a heavyweight tournament, and would beat any LHW if they fought. Yes he would, YES HE WOULD!

6. Shogun= Dominated Lyoto for 5 rounds despite Dana paying off the judges...

7. Rampage= Hasn't lost a fight since Shogun and still undefeated in the UFC (sorry white boys, Forrest didn't win that fight by landing 1 leg kick).
knocked down twice> landing 1 leg kick

8. Hendo= still the most underrated fighter of all time

9. Noguiera= despite losing to Mir, he might have the 2nd best career of all time.

10. Aldo= ran through Mike Brown like he was an amateur.

[Kaladarus]

You're missing Brock Lesnar and your hero Forrest Griffin.

[Pabinator]

Your way off

[36mafia]

dont bother with this child

[jin2daj]

Your way off

agreed,

1. anderson silva - completely dominates his opponents and has proved to be a serious top contender at a higher weight class

2. GSP- just because he doesnt finish fights means nothing- its simply not in his style. GSP hasnt lost a round in some time and pretty much has cleaned out the division in the same way that silva has, but unlike silva he has not proven (yet) to be good enough to move up in weight class and be a seirous contender

3. bj penn- has cleaned out hte division (not as cleanly as gsp though given that there are viable opponents in other promotions like aoki or joachim) as well, and i would like to see him move to welterweight.

4. fedor- i hate fedor for not signing with the ufc and for being with m-1, but i cant deny him as great fighter. he is ranked lower than the above 3 for a number of reasons. in many of his fights (arlovski, coleman, rogers) he is losing before miraculously pulling off a win. This is exciting to watch, but doesnt exactly say "dominance" to me. Also, because he isnt in the ufc, to call him p4p greatest would be wrong, as lesnar or carwin could potentially be the true #1 heavyweight. Fedor has NEVER fought a BIG powerful ncaa wrestler and hasnt proved that he can handle it (barnett and coleman dont even weigh in at the full 265).

5. machida- shogun nuthuggers would disagree, and while i feel ufc104 did have some controversy, in the rematch we are going to see machida smash shogun. shogun is not the better fighter, he only had a great gameplan with the legkicks and in the rematch, machida will be ready.


those are my top5 p4p fighers.

[Pabinator]

Jin you are Much much closer

[illmatick]

Top 5

1.Anderson Silva
1. GSP
3.Fedor
4.Machida
5.BJ

Lesnar if he wins his next 3 fights

[JohnGalt2341]

Rock solid list. It's hard to argue against most of it. I agree that Hendo is the most underrated fighter of all time and he probably has the best pound for pound chin in all of MMA. That being said, what other fighters would you put on the most underrated list? For me, the first guy that comes to mind would be Nick Diaz. In fact I'd probably include him on my top 10 pound for pound list.

[southmadejd]

Jin, I like your list but Fedor was not losing to Brett Rogers....not even close to losing.

[jin2daj]

Jin, I like your list but Fedor was not losing to Brett Rogers....not even close to losing.

thanks, you might be right, all i really remmeber about that fight was rogers landing a few big shots but even that could be fuzzy memory. i never really get excited or hyped about strikeforce.

[Pride>UFC]

agreed, 1. anderson silva - completely dominates his opponents and has proved to be a serious top contender at a higher weight class 2. GSP- just because he doesnt finish fights means nothing- its simply not in his style. GSP hasnt lost a round in some time and pretty much has cleaned out the division in the same way that silva has, but unlike silva he has not proven (yet) to be good enough to move up in weight class and be a seirous contender 3. bj penn- has cleaned out hte division (not as cleanly as gsp though given that there are viable opponents in other promotions like aoki or joachim) as well, and i would like to see him move to welterweight. 4. fedor- i hate fedor for not signing with the ufc and for being with m-1, but i cant deny him as great fighter. he is ranked lower than the above 3 for a number of reasons. in many of his fights (arlovski, coleman, rogers) he is losing before miraculously pulling off a win. This is exciting to watch, but doesnt exactly say "dominance" to me. Also, because he isnt in the ufc, to call him p4p greatest would be wrong, as lesnar or carwin could potentially be the true #1 heavyweight. Fedor has NEVER fought a BIG powerful ncaa wrestler and hasnt proved that he can handle it (barnett and coleman dont even weigh in at the full 265). 5. machida- shogun nuthuggers would disagree, and while i feel ufc104 did have some controversy, in the rematch we are going to see machida smash shogun. shogun is not the better fighter, he only had a great gameplan with the legkicks and in the rematch, machida will be ready. those are my top5 p4p fighers.

You might possibly be the dumbest human being in the history of the world. You are quite possibly the biggest UFC nut hugger this world has ever seen.
First of all, Fedor never pulled of a miracle lol. He got jabbed a couple times and kicked in the stomach vs Arlovski, but was in no way, shape or form, in trouble, before landing a highlight reel KO that only Anderson Silva and BJ are capable of doing. LOL at him losing to Coleman for being punched twice early in the fight. And yeah, Rogers sure had him in trouble considering he landed two punches from the top the entire fight when Fedor was attempting an armbar.

GSP- the thing that's funny is if Fedor EVER lost, people would talk so much crap about how he was overrated, but GSP LOST, he got dropped like the sissy that he is and tapped to strikes because he's a mental midget. He can't take the pressure and can't take a punch, that's why he outwrestles his opponents.
He can't finish a top 5 WW, and he's severely overrated and at the very best top 5. I truly believe BJ at LW is much more dominant. Lightweights are terrified of BJ. Welterweights just get laid on and beaten up slowly by GSP. Finishing fights show dominance and the ability to END it.

The fact that GSP fails to finish fights is a HUGE weakness and proves that not only is he afraid to stand, but he can't even TKO his opponents or submit them on the ground. And lol at Fedor never fighting a great wrestler. Do you even know who the hell Mark Coleman and Kevin Randleman are? LOL get out of here noob!


And Lyoto Machida! WOW JUST WOW! He lost his last fight and got a giftwrapped Cecil Peoples that no one in their right mind believes that Machida won. How could you be top 5 if you just lost your last fight to someone in your weight class? You my, friend, just got owned...

[whatsgood5]

Nice rankings, I agree with you.

[kahnner]

You might possibly be the dumbest human being in the history of the world. You are quite possibly the biggest UFC nut hugger this world has ever seen.
First of all, Fedor never pulled of a miracle lol. He got jabbed a couple times and kicked in the stomach vs Arlovski, but was in no way, shape or form, in trouble, before landing a highlight reel KO that only Anderson Silva and BJ are capable of doing. LOL at him losing to Coleman for being punched twice early in the fight. And yeah, Rogers sure had him in trouble considering he landed two punches from the top the entire fight when Fedor was attempting an armbar.

GSP- the thing that's funny is if Fedor EVER lost, people would talk so much crap about how he was overrated, but GSP LOST, he got dropped like the sissy that he is and tapped to strikes because he's a mental midget. He can't take the pressure and can't take a punch, that's why he outwrestles his opponents.
He can't finish a top 5 WW, and he's severely overrated and at the very best top 5. I truly believe BJ at LW is much more dominant. Lightweights are terrified of BJ. Welterweights just get laid on and beaten up slowly by GSP. Finishing fights show dominance and the ability to END it.

The fact that GSP fails to finish fights is a HUGE weakness and proves that not only is he afraid to stand, but he can't even TKO his opponents or submit them on the ground. And lol at Fedor never fighting a great wrestler. Do you even know who the hell Mark Coleman and Kevin Randleman are? LOL get out of here noob!


And Lyoto Machida! WOW JUST WOW! He lost his last fight and got a giftwrapped Cecil Peoples that no one in their right mind believes that Machida won. How could you be top 5 if you just lost your last fight to someone in your weight class? You my, friend, just got owned...

NO KID YOU ARE THE COMPLETE IDIOT! YOU START REALLY STUPID THREADS IN ALL SPORTS!
YOUR GSP OVERRATED WAS ONE OF YOUR ONES YET!
You don't even know what you are talking about. First off gsp never tapped to strikes like you said, he tapped to an armbar. he beat the living shit out of bj for 4 rounds, and penns corner stopped the fight! GSP also beat penn another time!
And then you say he doesn't finish his opponents he has more wins by tko and submission 13 then he does decisions 6. Ever since that fluke loss to serra he has dominated everyone of his opponents and no one has even been close! I could go on and on with facts but why waste my time.

Next is fedor, He is a top 3 p4p fighter no doubt, but who has he fought in the last couple of years? WAIT FOR IT.......... NOBODY! Ohh yeah and by the way he has 1 loss, and i don't care if it was for an illegal elbow or not it's still a loss!

Then there's machida, 1 bad fight and now he sucks. Come on! I'm not even going to list all who he has beaten and how dominating he has been.

1. SILVA
2. FEDOR
3. PIERRE
4. PENN
5. MACHIDA

THOSE ARE YOUR TOP 5! IF MACHIDA GETS OWNED BY SHO-GUN AGAIN THEN HE'S OUT!

ALDO FROM WEC IS A CLOSE #5!

[Pride>UFC]

NO KID YOU ARE THE COMPLETE IDIOT! YOU START REALLY STUPID THREADS IN ALL SPORTS! YOUR GSP OVERRATED WAS ONE OF YOUR ONES YET! You don't even know what you are talking about. First off gsp never tapped to strikes like you said, he tapped to an armbar. he beat the living shit out of bj for 4 rounds, and penns corner stopped the fight! GSP also beat penn another time! And then you say he doesn't finish his opponents he has more wins by tko and submission 13 then he does decisions 6. Ever since that fluke loss to serra he has dominated everyone of his opponents and no one has even been close! I could go on and on with facts but why waste my time. Next is fedor, He is a top 3 p4p fighter no doubt, but who has he fought in the last couple of years? WAIT FOR IT.......... NOBODY! Ohh yeah and by the way he has 1 loss, and i don't care if it was for an illegal elbow or not it's still a loss! Then there's machida, 1 bad fight and now he sucks. Come on! I'm not even going to list all who he has beaten and how dominating he has been. 1. SILVA 2. FEDOR 3. PIERRE 4. PENN 5. MACHIDA THOSE ARE YOUR TOP 5! IF MACHIDA GETS OWNED BY SHO-GUN AGAIN THEN HE'S OUT! ALDO FROM WEC IS A CLOSE #5!

sorry I stopped reading after the 2nd sentence because you're a moron...click the link below and scroll down little fella. GSP clearly turns his head and taps as Big John Mcarthy stops the fight...maybe if you weren't such a moron, I'd take your post seriously, until then, go learn something noob...

BJ, Serra, and GSP have all said that GSP tapped like a girl because he can't take a punch...lol you said GSP is #2 that you ranked Fedor above him...maybe if you made sense, we could take u seriously, until then, keep your mouth shut until your spoken to...and lol at Machida being top 5 after losing his last fight...there goes your credibility...

http://ninjashoes.net/forum/showthread.php?15876-MMA-Gif-Thread

[kahnner]

sorry I stopped reading after the 2nd sentence because you're a moron...click the link below and scroll down little fella. GSP clearly turns his head and taps as Big John Mcarthy stops the fight...maybe if you weren't such a moron, I'd take your post seriously, until then, go learn something noob...

BJ, Serra, and GSP have all said that GSP tapped like a girl because he can't take a punch...lol you said GSP is #2 that you ranked Fedor above him...maybe if you made sense, we could take u seriously, until then, keep your mouth shut until your spoken to...and lol at Machida being top 5 after losing his last fight...there goes your credibility...

http://ninjashoes.net/forum/showthre...MMA-Gif-Thread

Your a funny kid, you know nothing about the ufc and it clearly shows! Tons of people have called you out and made you look like a moron in TONS of threads!
I know way more than you ever will, he lost to a armbar against hughes!
Your just a young punk that can't back up anything he says in any thread!
You just need to go away and stop posting stupid shit! I'M DONE WASTING MY TIME WITH YOUR STUPIDITY!

MACHIDA 16-0

[jin2daj]

You might possibly be the dumbest human being in the history of the world. You are quite possibly the biggest UFC nut hugger this world has ever seen.
First of all, Fedor never pulled of a miracle lol. He got jabbed a couple times and kicked in the stomach vs Arlovski, but was in no way, shape or form, in trouble, before landing a highlight reel KO that only Anderson Silva and BJ are capable of doing. LOL at him losing to Coleman for being punched twice early in the fight. And yeah, Rogers sure had him in trouble considering he landed two punches from the top the entire fight when Fedor was attempting an armbar.

GSP- the thing that's funny is if Fedor EVER lost, people would talk so much crap about how he was overrated, but GSP LOST, he got dropped like the sissy that he is and tapped to strikes because he's a mental midget. He can't take the pressure and can't take a punch, that's why he outwrestles his opponents.
He can't finish a top 5 WW, and he's severely overrated and at the very best top 5. I truly believe BJ at LW is much more dominant. Lightweights are terrified of BJ. Welterweights just get laid on and beaten up slowly by GSP. Finishing fights show dominance and the ability to END it.

The fact that GSP fails to finish fights is a HUGE weakness and proves that not only is he afraid to stand, but he can't even TKO his opponents or submit them on the ground. And lol at Fedor never fighting a great wrestler. Do you even know who the hell Mark Coleman and Kevin Randleman are? LOL get out of here noob!


And Lyoto Machida! WOW JUST WOW! He lost his last fight and got a giftwrapped Cecil Peoples that no one in their right mind believes that Machida won. How could you be top 5 if you just lost your last fight to someone in your weight class? You my, friend, just got owned...

seriously man? i dont even know where to begin with you. you only make yourself more and more annoying with each post.

the fact that gsp doesnt finish his opponents is a moot point. He wins convincingly from start to finish and furthermore, its more difficult to finish opponents at lighter weight classes. Im not saying it hasnt been done nor is it impossible, but im just noting that its more difficult to ko.

fedor, like i mentioned the first time, has not fought any BIG wrestlers. coleman and randleman are midgets in the HW division and for you to compare them to brock or carwin just shows that YOU are a noob.

machida, did not lose to shogun. check the scorecard. whether or not YOU think you know more than 3 professional judges is unimportant to anyone. Also, name dropping cecil peoples does not give you any more credibility. peoples was one of 3 judges that night scoring a 3-2 round win for machida. machida won. end of story. machida is 16-0. end of story. and furthermore in the rematch, machida will dominate. PLUS, shogun was the only matchup that would have been difficult for machida, given that they used to train together and is therefore familiar with machida karate. any other lhw will get smashed, reminiscent to rashad.

go ahead and call me a ufc nuthugger, it doesnt bother me. i just like watching the best in the world and if you think the ufc doesnt have the best, then youre a retard.

[cky312]

I'm gonna just post who I think are the p4p king, notice this is not GOAT, it's just currently p4p:

1. Anderson Silva - Complete domination against every opponent he wished to fight at MW or LHW. Hendo, Franklin, Marquardt, Forrest. You might call him boring, but you can discount his fights with Cote and Leites. He had a change in fighting style during Cote and Leites can be brushed aside as well since they were fellow Brazilians who Anderson dearly did not want to hurt. Leites aside, all fights finished in UFC

2. BJ Penn - Untouchable at LW, clearly head and shoulders above the class, absolute handling of every top contender (Sherk, Ken Flo, Stevenson, Sanchez), never were there any moments of weakness in his LW fights. GSP fight taken into account but he had a sizable physical disadvantage moving up. Again, all fights finished at LW

3 Fedor Emelianenko
In Fedor's case, his only loss was due to a cut that would have rule NC had it not been a tournament where a winner and loser had to be decided. Though technically speaking he's won every fight of his career, there have been moments of weakness in his game. One thing to note, Fedor gets cut really easily, which makes it look like he's losing fights a lot of times even though he's not. More recently at Affliction, he was getting beat to every punch against Arlovski until the epic KO. His fight with Rogers while some may argue he was controlling the whole fight, he had trouble with Roger's size and strength, which led to him not being able to keep Rogers down for a picture perfect armbar. Also, him not signing with UFC will forever put a blemish on his p4p god merits since all of the top HW contenders resides witin UFC.

4. Georges St. Pierre
In GSP's case, has dominated opponents with unstoppable takedowns and god-like top control. His two losses has been long forgotten to most but hardcore MMA fans, the biggest problem is the way he lost his two fights. Against Hughes, it was a solid armbar but some questioned whether he could have tried to roll out of it before tapping so quickly. Against Serra, no doubt he was caught, then after his chin became questioned as to whether or not he can take a punch. We know BJ can.

5. Jose Aldo - Let the flaming begin. Absolutely no UFC nut hugging here, amazing foot speed, great hands, fastest knees in MMA, all combined to easily handle Mike Brown. All six finishes since joining WEC, some can argue he's unproven besides Mike Brown, but the world will know come April when he takes out Faber and defends his belt. If you don't know Aldo, go watch his fights. You get the same feeling as to when you watch everyone else on this list fight. He's just better at everything against his opponents. This spot will change hands if Aldo loses and Shogun wins the rematch, but that is the only way Shogun will take #5. Same will not apply for Machida since in my mind and most people who watched the first fight, Shogun won.

[knownone]

5. Jose Aldo - Let the flaming begin. Absolutely no UFC nut hugging here, amazing foot speed, great hands, fastest knees in MMA, all combined to easily handle Mike Brown. All six finishes since joining WEC, some can argue he's unproven besides Mike Brown, but the world will know come April when he takes out Faber and defends his belt. If you don't know Aldo, go watch his fights. You get the same feeling as to when you watch everyone else on this list fight. He's just better at everything against his opponents. This spot will change hands if Aldo loses and Shogun wins the rematch, but that is the only way Shogun will take #5. Same will not apply for Machida since in my mind and most people who watched the first fight, Shogun won.

Aldo doesn't deserve his p4p yet, He beat an overrated Mike Brown thats it; 145 is still a growing division and as it stands a relatively weak one; Aldo walks around at the same weight as BJ Penn and has the same reach as BJ who would win that fight?
I don't think Aldo would make it past the second round.

[Pride>UFC]

I'm gonna just post who I think are the p4p king, notice this is not GOAT, it's just currently p4p:

1. Anderson Silva - Complete domination against every opponent he wished to fight at MW or LHW. Hendo, Franklin, Marquardt, Forrest. You might call him boring, but you can discount his fights with Cote and Leites. He had a change in fighting style during Cote and Leites can be brushed aside as well since they were fellow Brazilians who Anderson dearly did not want to hurt. Leites aside, all fights finished in UFC

2. BJ Penn - Untouchable at LW, clearly head and shoulders above the class, absolute handling of every top contender (Sherk, Ken Flo, Stevenson, Sanchez), never were there any moments of weakness in his LW fights. GSP fight taken into account but he had a sizable physical disadvantage moving up. Again, all fights finished at LW

3 Fedor Emelianenko
In Fedor's case, his only loss was due to a cut that would have rule NC had it not been a tournament where a winner and loser had to be decided. Though technically speaking he's won every fight of his career, there have been moments of weakness in his game. One thing to note, Fedor gets cut really easily, which makes it look like he's losing fights a lot of times even though he's not. More recently at Affliction, he was getting beat to every punch against Arlovski until the epic KO. His fight with Rogers while some may argue he was controlling the whole fight, he had trouble with Roger's size and strength, which led to him not being able to keep Rogers down for a picture perfect armbar. Also, him not signing with UFC will forever put a blemish on his p4p god merits since all of the top HW contenders resides witin UFC.

4. Georges St. Pierre
In GSP's case, has dominated opponents with unstoppable takedowns and god-like top control. His two losses has been long forgotten to most but hardcore MMA fans, the biggest problem is the way he lost his two fights. Against Hughes, it was a solid armbar but some questioned whether he could have tried to roll out of it before tapping so quickly. Against Serra, no doubt he was caught, then after his chin became questioned as to whether or not he can take a punch. We know BJ can.

5. Jose Aldo - Let the flaming begin. Absolutely no UFC nut hugging here, amazing foot speed, great hands, fastest knees in MMA, all combined to easily handle Mike Brown. All six finishes since joining WEC, some can argue he's unproven besides Mike Brown, but the world will know come April when he takes out Faber and defends his belt. If you don't know Aldo, go watch his fights. You get the same feeling as to when you watch everyone else on this list fight. He's just better at everything against his opponents. This spot will change hands if Aldo loses and Shogun wins the rematch, but that is the only way Shogun will take #5. Same will not apply for Machida since in my mind and most people who watched the first fight, Shogun won.

not a bad list, at least more credible than most, but like someone else said, I think it's a bit early to put aldo that high...

[Kaladarus]

Top 5 in my opinion are the ones pride>ufc mentioned. Have to agree with those picks for sure. From 6-10 though its hard to say.

[Pride>UFC]

Top 5 in my opinion are the ones pride>ufc mentioned. Have to agree with those picks for sure. From 6-10 though its hard to say.

just thought I'd bump the best quote in the best thread on this page...