UFC 112: BJ Penn vs. Frankie Edgar

[Educ8d Degener8]

I'm on the Phil Davis bandwagon and all, but -500!?! Against another undefeated prospect... Granted Gustafsson is "The Mauler", so styistically, Davis probably has the edge given his technical wrestling background. But those adds are keeping me off this one at the moment. Might parlay it...

[THE_LOCKSMITH]

some big favs on this card

Penn -800
Silva -600
Hughes-500
Davis -500

[jin2daj]

some big favs on this card

Penn -800
Silva -600
Hughes-500
Davis -500

does anyone think renzo training with gsp makes a difference? and gustaffson is a pretty solid fighter too. i hate picking odds like this where im pretty sure one person is going to win (hughes, davis) but the odds just give value to the other guy

[will2survive]

BJ Penn and GSP are the two best fighters-hands down

[GunShard]

Penn has all the skills, Edgar hasn't proven that yet.

[RobbReport]

BJ Penn wins this no doubt.

[The HOFF]

MAIN CARD

• Champ Anderson Silva vs. Demian Maia (for middleweight title)
• Champ B.J. Penn vs. Frankie Edgar (for lightweight title)
• Matt Hughes vs. Renzo Gracie
• Rafael dos Anjos vs. Terry Etim
• Kendall Grove vs. Mark Munoz

PRELIMINARY CARD

• Phil Davis vs. Alexander Gustafsson
• John Gunderson vs. Paul Taylor
• Nick Osipczak vs. Rick Story
• Brad Blackburn vs. DaMarques Johnson
• Paul Kelly vs. Matt Veach
• Mostapha Al Turk vs. Jon Madsen

[The HOFF]

[Boddhissatva]

Good value in the Edgar bet...

everyone is counting him out but he has greatly improved his boxing and his ground game is excellent as well...even Bj Penn says "it will be a mistake to overlook Frankie."

[illmatick]

hard to see Edgar winning but I certainly think this will be bj's toughest fight in years at lightweight

[jin2daj]

can bj be blanketed by frankie?

[Vaughany]

Frankie is one of my favourite fighters and I think will give BJ is toughest challenge in a long time but I dont see him blanketing BJ. Frankie is a purple belt in BJJ...and after seeing how easily BJ dominated Florian who is a black belt I can only see a submission win for BJ in the late rounds 4 or 5. May put small plays on Etim, Madsen and Rick Story.

[bogbat]

I wouldn't touch Frankie at any price. He is a small 155, he'd probably consider a move down to 145 if the UFC had a division for it. There's no way he'll smother BJ who has the best BJJ in the division. Frankie's stand up and footwork has improved a lot recently but BJ has great boxing and an iron chin. His only chance I can see if he uses his improved footwork to get in and out quickly using a lot of leg kicks (BJ rarely checks them) and gradually breaks BJ down for a decision but I very much doubt that is going to happen.

[tokio]

If I remember right, Frankie was asked if he'd consider moving to WEC for the 145 belt. But IDK, Aldo looks to have that one locked tight!

[GunShard]

I take Silva and GSP more seriously than Penn as great fighters. I don't have a good read on this fight.

[smarmy]

I'm really rooting for Edgar on this one but I think he's just too outclassed against Penn. Rooting for the old adage, "all it takes is one lucky shot.".

[Vaughany]

I'm really rooting for Edgar on this one but I think he's just too outclassed against Penn. Rooting for the old adage, "all it takes is one lucky shot.".

One lucky shot but unfortunately BJ has a great chin and Edgar hardly has KO power!

[Kaladarus]

Edgar has good wrestling and takedown defense also. His speed and boxing skill is really good. BJ likes to keep fights standing, avoiding takedowns. I think this will end up being a stand up war for the most part unless something happens that gives an opportunity for a takedown. Edgar has said himself that he will push the pace standing up with his boxing. He's definitely faster than BJ, but how does his striking compare. It wouldn't be impossible for Edgar to pull off a decision win here. I think this fight will probably go to decision, since both fighters have great chins and submission defense. BJ has more power in his punches, but Edgar can potentially land more. BJ should take this fight, but Edgar is easily the hardest opponent for him at LW.

[playa420]

Edgar has good wrestling and takedown defense also. His speed and boxing skill is really good. BJ likes to keep fights standing, avoiding takedowns. I think this will end up being a stand up war for the most part unless something happens that gives an opportunity for a takedown. Edgar has said himself that he will push the pace standing up with his boxing. He's definitely faster than BJ, but how does his striking compare. It wouldn't be impossible for Edgar to pull off a decision win here. I think this fight will probably go to decision, since both fighters have great chins and submission defense. BJ has more power in his punches, but Edgar can potentially land more. BJ should take this fight, but Edgar is easily the hardest opponent for him at LW.

BJ Penn is better than Edgar at every aspect of mma. Its hella funny how you think Edgars faster than bj and has great boxing, when he got out boxed by ****ing Gray Maynard.If the fight stays on the feet Penn will pick apart Edgar and make him look foolish.This is gonna be an easy fight for BJ, and Edgar has no chance at all to win a decision.

[cky312]

does anyone think renzo training with gsp makes a difference? and gustaffson is a pretty solid fighter too. i hate picking odds like this where im pretty sure one person is going to win (hughes, davis) but the odds just give value to the other guy

Not Renzo, I'd rather bet on Gustaffson. Hughes' base is wayyy too solid to get tapped (If BJ couldn't catch him, I doubt Renzo will). But the Gustaffson fight is also taylor-made for Davis, since he's fighting a European (well-known for their non-existent ground game / takedown defense), he should have no trouble taking it down, but Gustaffson has punching power, which I don't think any of the other dogs in this card has.

[stefan084]

i disagree that frankie will be able to outpoint BJ based on BJs reach advantage and straight jab that I think will pepper edgar much like the sherk match. Sherk was very quick(like frankie) but his T-Rex like reach kept him in BJ's pocket eventually cutting him up. I see edgar dancing alot, getting out pointed, then maybe trying some deparation take down attempts in the latter rounds which BJ will shrug off with his freakish balance

[stefan084]

the only thing that bothers me for BJ is that edgar doesn't talk a lot of shit--those are the fighters that worry me as I am a huge BJ Penn fan. Pretty much as soon as Diego started talking shit I knew he was getting an ass beating

[Kaladarus]

BJ Penn is better than Edgar at every aspect of mma. Its hella funny how you think Edgars faster than bj and has great boxing, when he got out boxed by ****ing Gray Maynard.If the fight stays on the feet Penn will pick apart Edgar and make him look foolish.This is gonna be an easy fight for BJ, and Edgar has no chance at all to win a decision.

Please watch that fight before commenting on it. Edgar outboxed Maynard easily and its a joke that anyone could think differently. He HAS been faster than all his opponents. How did Maynard beat him? By takedowns because of his size. I don't know why you bolded anything I said since it's all true. Edgar does have good boxing(as the Maynard fight clearly shows) and is faster than BJ. You would have to be retarded to think that Edgar isn't fast. I never once said Edgar's boxing or stand up was better than BJ's. In fact I clearly said that BJ takes this fight. Is there not at least one in a million chance that Edgar takes this fight by decision? If there is that makes it not impossible which is what I said. Also opponent wise who has a better shot at beating Penn. Clearly no one can take him down at LW. The best bet to beat him is someone with better stand up than him. Edgar doesn't have this, but I do believe he has the best stand up in the division other than BJ. Thanks for quoting me, but next time if you have questions about MMA just ask the questions instead of pretending you know what's going on while getting me to respond with answers.

[Kaladarus]

i disagree that frankie will be able to outpoint BJ based on BJs reach advantage and straight jab that I think will pepper edgar much like the sherk match. Sherk was very quick(like frankie) but his T-Rex like reach kept him in BJ's pocket eventually cutting him up. I see edgar dancing alot, getting out pointed, then maybe trying some deparation take down attempts in the latter rounds which BJ will shrug off with his freakish balance

Edgar destroyed Sherk with his stand up, similar to the beating BJ give Sherk. Please don't compare Edgar to Sherk since Edgar completely outclassed Sherk when they fought. Also Edgar dances a lot but he is known for pushing forward and this scores points.

[stefan084]

trust me, if he pushes forward with BJ it will be a mistake. BJ gets some of his best shots in countering. If Edgar gets tagged coming in point scoring will be a non issue

[stefan084]

i take nothing away from frankies abilities and anyone has a punchers chance, I just think its a match-up BJ wins 9/10 fights

[playa420]

Please watch that fight before commenting on it. Edgar outboxed Maynard easily and its a joke that anyone could think differently. He HAS been faster than all his opponents. How did Maynard beat him? By takedowns because of his size. I don't know why you bolded anything I said since it's all true. Edgar does have good boxing(as the Maynard fight clearly shows) and is faster than BJ. You would have to be retarded to think that Edgar isn't fast. I never once said Edgar's boxing or stand up was better than BJ's. In fact I clearly said that BJ takes this fight. Is there not at least one in a million chance that Edgar takes this fight by decision? If there is that makes it not impossible which is what I said. Also opponent wise who has a better shot at beating Penn. Clearly no one can take him down at LW. The best bet to beat him is someone with better stand up than him. Edgar doesn't have this, but I do believe he has the best stand up in the division other than BJ. Thanks for quoting me, but next time if you have questions about MMA just ask the questions instead of pretending you know what's going on while getting me to respond with answers.

whatever man, Its been a while since i watched the edgar/maynard fight but maynard still dominated him and won a unanimous decision.Edgars not any tougher than sherk,florian, or Diego. Thers a reason penns a -700 favorite.

[stefan084]

what time will the fight be in Abu Dhabi time-I know BJs been over there for a couple weeks now to adjust

[playa420]

what time will the fight be in Abu Dhabi time-I know BJs been over there for a couple weeks now to adjust

it airs 10pm in abu dhabi and 1pm in the states

[Vrakas]

edgar has improved his skills and he could beat pen if he puts on some weight and the fight goes to the later rounds.i will put edgar to win on a small combo bet.

[Vaughany]

trust me, if he pushes forward with BJ it will be a mistake. BJ gets some of his best shots in countering. If Edgar gets tagged coming in point scoring will be a non issue

Franky Edgar is one of my favourite fighters but this is true...BJ will have no trouble counter punching.

[lebronjames0]

BJ penn all the way

[tokio]

Once again Penn and Silva are on the same card. They will receive the same outcome. WIN/WIN.

[36mafia]

Once again Penn and Silva are on the same card. They will receive the same outcome. WIN/WIN.

parlay of the day

[tbird509]

bj will role