Tito robbed...

**brooks85** · 11-22-09, 10:37 AM

ya i agree, I think titos 3 of 9 tds and maybe a minute of ground control was enough to justify him getting outstriked.

**Bread** · 11-22-09, 11:02 AM

Hey there little fella why do you hate us white folk so much?

**terpkeg** · 11-22-09, 11:12 AM

Tito won round two. You could make an arguement he won round one, but I gave it to Griffin. It was a close fight, but I dont see how anyone can say it was a robbery, especially when the most decisive round was the domination in Round 3 imo.

If this was judged under Pride rules, which Pride>UFC clearly desires, then there would be any question who won the fight. The first 10 minutes were fairly even, Tito gets slight edge for damage (opening up the cut), but the last 5 minutes was a thorough domination.

As for Prides comments about the athleticism of Griffin, I do not think anyone's race is going to make someone believe that Griffin is the most amazing athlete in the sport. But, he is an above average fighter.

His striking, especially his leg kicks, have gotten much better through the years. He is accurate with his hands, although his striking defense is below average and he leaves his chin open especially when he throws the overhand right.

His bjj is very good too. How many people sweep Tito? He is almost too confident in his bjj form the bottom. That is why he takes a little too much gnp imo.

Being an athlete is much more than your natural born athleticism. If anything, I admire someone who is not the greatest athlete, but works so damn hard, he/she excels at a sport. For Pride to attempt to diminish Griffin's accomplishments demonstrates much more about his character than about any UFC conspiracy theory.

Above all, this is a gambling website, and i dont see any specific analysis as to why you beleive the decision was so bad. Additionally, I dont see anything here that would help evaluate future fights. But, after reading most of your fight predictions, that is not suprising.

**Sekrah** · 11-22-09, 11:49 AM

LOL @ Tito Robbed

http://www.fightmetric.com/fights/Griffin-OrtizII.html

Round 1: Griffin 69-56 (10-9)
Round 2: Ortiz 67-51 (9-10)
Round 3: Griffin 175-13 (10-8)

UFC>Pride.. You are such a disgrace and a joke of an MMA handicapper. Just feel lucky that you were awarded a win u didn't deserve with Couture. You got your ass spanked tonight because you have no idea what you're doing.

**Riot** · 11-22-09, 10:43 PM

Pride ... Your a tool .... an ignorant racist tool.

First off, the fact that you think Dana white is paying off the judges goes to show that you know NOTHING about how athletic commisions at all. You think that would be kept under wraps ? It would come out and RUIN the UFC. No way Dana would even take that chance. Tool.

Second Off, you think only white people think Forrest Griffen is a good athlete ?? Why dont you show us some videos of your fights Mr. Expert ??? Wait ... i bet the farm they dont exist. You ever train at all ?? If you did then you would know that every guy who currently fights in the UFC is an amazing athlete. Go try hitting a heavybag for a minute straight. See how your arms feel. Besides, Forrest isnt the one who got tired in the 3rd ... that was Tito Ortiz. Tool.

Third Off, Forrest beat Rampage because he put in hard work and developed a great kicking game. Ramapge even admited that Forrest kicked his ass. He was also beating Rashad Evans thru two rounds till he got caught. It happens. Rashad only lost once, so you cant discredit Forrest to much for the loss. As for the fight with Silva, Franklin and Griffen got KTFO because they went forward and fought, unlike these guys that ran dove at his feet to last longer in the fight. Franklin and forrest would probably beat Leites and Cote easily. dont Forget, forrest beat Shogun, who most considered the best pound for pound in the world at the time ... you know ... Shogun ... from pride ... how come you didnt bring that up .... Tool.

I love MMA. Its a beautiful sport. Its one of the only sports where an Average guy can work his ass off and acheive success. You dont have to be 7 foot, or 300 pounds or able to ice skate or run a 4.2 . Most fighters are respectful to their opponents and arnt out getting DUI's are beating their wives like other athletes. Its an amazing thing, so when some knucklehead comes in waving his ignorant race card around running his mouth like he is an expert, it really makes me sick. Your a tool..... tool.

**Bread** · 11-22-09, 11:46 PM

LOL. Welcome back Riot.

**RobbReport** · 11-22-09, 11:59 PM

this is reverse-reverse triple reverse and tuck racism

**tbird509** · 11-23-09, 12:24 AM

tito got whooped by forest,i cant beleive the first judge had tito winng,it must have been that awful judge cecil peoples,he watches the fights with his eyes closed

**Riot** · 11-23-09, 10:06 AM

Thanks its good to be back ! Crazy story, i almost had a fight with Tim Sylvia .... ill tell you guys about it later tho. i gotta jet.

P.S. Karo Parysian is a lil girl ... my boy dustin would have tapped him

**teaserpleaser** · 11-23-09, 11:22 AM

Pride is right though forrest has pillow fists...I know because both hector ramirez and Rampage told me. Looks good to the judges though.

**Pride>UFC** · 11-23-09, 12:01 PM

Typical Dana White fan responses...

u guys are still mad cuz Pride owns the UFC

Fedor>Nog>Couture> the rest of the UFC losers.

Shogun>Rampage>Hendo>Machida> the rest of the UFC losers

Spider>Hendo> the rest of the UFC losers...

we all know the truth...some are just too afraid to admit it

u=

Me =

**Riot** · 11-23-09, 02:20 PM

Yeah cause Hendo DEF whopped up on Rich Franklin ... What happened to your conspiracy theory there ???

Your a tool. Sure Pride had good fighters ... but lets talk about the busts from Pride

Denis Kang . Wanderlie Silva, Cro Cop , Takanori Gomi, Hidehiko Yoshida, Ricardo Arona, Ricardo Arona .... not to mention guys who couldnt make it in the UFC so they went to Pride. just beacuse the really good guys from pride are having success in the UFC (Spider, Hendo, Rampage, Sho gun) Doesnt Mean Pride is Better. Pound for Pound UFC is head and shoulders above anybody else as far as talent and depth goes. You just get off on being the devils advocate cause your a tool.

Also , Mir Beat the hell out of Nog ... but again, that hurts your case, so why talk about it ....

**Bread** · 11-23-09, 04:34 PM

I just can't believe that as MMA fans, there actually exists such a heated opinion on Pride vs. UFC. Really?

Who the fukk cares. I just want good fights.

But I'm with Price>UFC on one thing - FUKK WHITEY!

**stefan084** · 11-23-09, 05:03 PM

i thought one could make a case for Tito winning rounds 1 and 2 but Forrest won the 3rd so decisively that the judges couldn't in good conscious give Tito the decision

**Pabinator** · 11-23-09, 05:47 PM

Tito lost the fight, judges got it right

**Dad** · 11-23-09, 05:51 PM

Tito can't seem to do anything past the 2rd round anymore, he gets gassed. The announcers always talk about his great conditioning. Great conditioning? Really? Where is it in the 3rd round? No way he could become the champ again and keep the belt because he would never be able to do 5 round fights. Tito is past his prime. It's time to hang up the gloves.

**THE_LOCKSMITH** · 11-23-09, 06:59 PM

Anyone watch the post fight press conference, Dana said there might be a rubbermatch in this Ortiz/Griffin saga

**AKATDOG** · 11-23-09, 07:57 PM

Originally posted by Pride>UFC

once again Forrest gets another giftwrapped decision...

lost to Rampage, gets decision
clearly lost 1st two rounds to Tito, gets decision...

Every event has a bad decision in the main event...the UFC, what a joke...

I understand that white people want to believe that Forrest Griffin's a real athlete, but come on, he's horrible...he's got no power, no wrestling, no submissions, just a couple of judges who are paid off by Dana...

We all know what happens when Forrest fights a real fighter or even an average fighter (Silva, Rashad)

i can see griffin getting the win here but the rampage fight now thats a different story, thats robbery

**jin2daj** · 11-23-09, 08:58 PM

i was personally at this event, most people sitting around me agreed that rounds 1 and 2 had gone to tito. 29-28 was my predicted final score. However, i can understand if someone wants to argue the first round going to griffin as well.

what pisses me off was that 1 judge had ALL 3 rounds going to griffin. that is completely bogus.

**shady610** · 11-23-09, 10:40 PM

This is my biggest complaint about mma fans. They are whiners. Lets just get over all decisions and just asscept them. And the word ROBBED is tossed around way too much. A close fight that your guy loses doesntequal robbery.

Robberies are Rua/machida and Hamill/bisping. Hell and even boxing Diaz/Malinaggi is a robbery.

**Riot** · 11-24-09, 12:26 AM

i agree bread, but i just wanted to point out the flaws in his logic. Ever since MMa became trendy, everybody thinks their an expert.

Truth be told ... IFL>Strikforce>UFC>Pride=BoDog+Hoff Naked

**Pabinator** · 11-24-09, 03:06 AM

Tito's time has past, he is no longer who he use to be (Just like Chuck). They knew this before he came back, they just want to sell tickets, and they will, I wont be suprised if he ends up fighting Kimbo in the future

**Sekrah** · 11-24-09, 05:30 AM

Originally posted by jin2daj

i was personally at this event, most people sitting around me agreed that rounds 1 and 2 had gone to tito. 29-28 was my predicted final score. However, i can understand if someone wants to argue the first round going to griffin as well.

what pisses me off was that 1 judge had ALL 3 rounds going to griffin. that is completely bogus.

I don't see how anyone in their right mind could give Tito round 1.

GNP for 60-90 seconds and unable to hold that position means he wins the round? He was outstriked the entire round on their feet. FightMetric.Com had it right.

Just as well, I don't see how the one judge could of given Forrest round 2 either.. That's equally indefensible.

Anyway, both fighters are washed up. Forrest looked slow and he was connecting every every jab. Thats how bad Tito was.

**Robyn** · 11-24-09, 07:58 AM

Wow @ this thread. And LOL @ it, too.

**teaserpleaser** · 11-24-09, 08:11 AM

Originally posted by THE_LOCKSMITH

Anyone watch the post fight press conference, Dana said there might be a rubbermatch in this Ortiz/Griffin saga

cant wait to watch it

really a 3rd match

**RobbReport** · 11-24-09, 05:28 PM

Originally posted by Sekrah

I don't see how anyone in their right mind could give Tito round 1.

GNP for 60-90 seconds and unable to hold that position means he wins the round? He was outstriked the entire round on their feet. FightMetric.Com had it right.

Just as well, I don't see how the one judge could of given Forrest round 2 either.. That's equally indefensible.

Anyway, both fighters are washed up. Forrest looked slow and he was connecting every every jab. Thats how bad Tito was.

who gives a shit, i'm so over these 2 as UFC contenders.