UFC 104 Rumors/Discussion

illmatick · 08-12-09, 06:51 PM

Fisher opened at +170

The HOFF · 08-12-09, 06:55 PM

Originally posted by illmatick

Fisher opened at +170

After working with Greg Jackson and his domination of Nate Diaz, I thought Joe Stevenson at -200 was a decent play. I think Stevenson has the advantage in stand up, wrestling, and the ground game is about equal.

illmatick · 08-12-09, 06:57 PM

how does stevenson have better stand-up? are we talking about the same Joe stevenson

The HOFF · 08-12-09, 06:58 PM

I just never thought Fisher had that great of stand up.

illmatick · 08-12-09, 07:04 PM

Hoff you just blew my mind, I would have to suggest rewatching his fights with sam stout

brooks85 · 08-12-09, 07:19 PM

right now im liking fisher. His last fight he was out of sync or something. The win was close. Its hard to be against jodaddy tho, the guy is tough but fisher should definitely light him up on his feet. Im just worried if fisher let uno control him like that, stevenson will wrap him up and hold him for 3 rounds, basically what he did to diaz.

The HOFF · 08-13-09, 05:44 AM

Originally posted by illmatick

Hoff you just blew my mind, I would have to suggest rewatching his fights with sam stout

I should. His fight with Uno was lackluster. Other than that I haven't seen many of his fights.

head_strong · 08-13-09, 06:08 AM

Lyoto Machida vs. Mauricio "Shogun" Rua

The HOFF · 08-24-09, 02:23 PM

Mauricio Rua +370
Lyoto Machida -450

Gleison Tibau +275
Sean Sherk -345

Chael Sonnen +180
Yushin Okami -220

Spencer Fisher +160
Joe Stevenson -200

Ben Rothwell +190
Cain Velasquez -250

illmatick · 08-24-09, 04:25 PM

I think Tibau and Sonnen come up with a win between the two of them, wouldnt be too suprised to see them both win

stefan084 · 08-25-09, 11:28 AM

Which way will the odds go for Machida by the time of the fight? Currently he is listed at -450. I'm thinking about some parlays using him to help with the odds a bit.

The HOFF · 08-25-09, 01:30 PM

Originally posted by stefan084

Which way will the odds go for Machida by the time of the fight? Currently he is listed at -450. I'm thinking about some parlays using him to help with the odds a bit.

Bookmaker has -450 and that is the lowest I have seen it since the line opened. Most other books are ranging around -500. 5Dimes is currently -485. I'm confused as to why this line is dropping right now as it has been about -550 for the last month. My guess is that it jumps back to the -550/-600 range by fight night. If you are going to play it, I would do it now while the lines are coming down.

illmatick · 08-25-09, 01:38 PM

line wont be that high come fight night, it will drop down to the -350 range right before the fight, I wouldnt be too confident Machida wins either, I'm a huge fan of his but the line as of right now is ridiculous

Bread · 08-25-09, 04:27 PM

Tibau jumps right off the page as a nice upset over Sherk.

brooks85 · 08-25-09, 05:14 PM

If the machida line breaks into -300s id cry with joy.

biggamerife21 · 08-25-09, 11:26 PM

I thought carwin was fighting brock accompanied by sable?

odtw524 · 08-26-09, 01:25 PM

machida's line is rediculous

Eccocide · 09-02-09, 08:15 PM

Sherk out, Neer In for fight against Tibau:

Just a moment...

http://www.sherdog.com/news/news/neer-replaces-sherk-at-ufc-104-19457

brooks85 · 09-02-09, 08:21 PM

good news for tibau. Considering sherk has never lost back to back in 38 bouts and tibau struggles against better wrestlers. Neer had no td defense against pellegrino and tibau worked guillard in his last fight with takedowns.

DDT · 09-02-09, 08:35 PM

No one will beat Machida

The HOFF · 09-09-09, 11:21 AM

Mauricio Rua +370
Lyoto Machida -450

Chael Sonnen +190
Yushin Okami -240

Spencer Fisher +165
Joe Stevenson -205

Ben Rothwell +215
Cain Velasquez -275

Yoshiyuki Yoshida +230
Anthony Johnson -290

Pat Barry -105
Antoni Hardonk -125

Eric Schafer +325
Ryan Bader -405

brooks85 · 09-09-09, 02:27 PM

are they kidding me? Hardonk-125 all day please.

The HOFF · 09-09-09, 03:10 PM

Originally posted by brooks85

are they kidding me? Hardonk-125 all day please.

All he has to do is get it to the ground and the fight is over.

brooks85 · 09-09-09, 03:33 PM

ya exactly, what is the deal with that line. Hardonk could just as easily knock barry around. He has good hands and he is 6'4 to barry 5'11. And unlike hague, hardonk knows how to use a reach advantage. That line is just odd.

illmatick · 09-10-09, 12:50 PM

lean towards barry but doubt I bet it, hasn't shown enough of a ground game but by far has the better standup imo, probably the most impressive striker to enter the UFC's heavy weight division in a while

The HOFF · 09-25-09, 06:37 PM

Josh Neer +170
Gleison Tibau -250

naokothewarrior · 09-25-09, 11:27 PM

-450??? boooo. I really like Machida also. He is kind of hard to dislike, imo.

brooks85 · 10-03-09, 10:34 AM

preview

-450 is steep, I think it will come down a little more by fight time, at least I hope.
The favorites are going to dominate this card. From the fights available now, exlucindg hardonk/barry, i dont see any underdog winning. Okami is the best value, at -250, the guy is on another level from sonnen. i think hardonk is going to work barry, the flash ko is a serious possibility here but hardonk has mma tools and barry just has K1.

brooks85 · 10-03-09, 10:40 AM

this is okami longest layoff from the ring tho, 10 months from another broken hand.

The HOFF · 10-09-09, 01:07 PM

Machida has moved down to -400.

brooks85 · 10-15-09, 02:58 PM

Ufc.com - Sonnen's thoughts on okami

Thoughts on opponent, Yushin Okami? He's a step in the wrong direction. Unmarketable. Not pleasing to watch and a horrible interview.

He is right about unmarketable, not pleasing to watch and a bad interviewer.

illmatick · 10-15-09, 03:21 PM

I locked up Sonnen at +200 last night.

Eccocide · 10-15-09, 08:05 PM

The irony of Sonnen's quote is baffling. Has he looked in the mirror??

The HOFF · 10-16-09, 10:13 PM

Anthony Johnson, a welterweight (170 pounds) UFC contender, recently admitted to Yahoo’s Kevin Lole that he plans on dropping 50 pounds to face Yoshiyuki Yoshida next Saturday in Los Angeles. He’s at a reasonable 190 now but clocked in at 220 when camp started.