Gaethje was calling for Al after the fight.. would love that matchup
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Gaethje may get dropped.. Would be a fun fight to watch.. AL has a chin and it's very hard to land flush on him and drop the guy, slightly better boxing.... Gaethje a little chinny lately in recent fights also.. Both warriors in the cage though..Originally posted by firekillex
I'd take Al... Great fight match up and would love to see it!!!!
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Lee def took some cash from me.....I gave the books too much credit here....they messed my thought process up with the line....it was so big it had me thinking Lee was better than he was or improved greatly.....I THOUGHT lee would win.....YES..and I didn't give AI enough respect....knew the line was a bit steep but figured Lee for the W......respect as he brought it and made Lee look like a backpedaling bitch....Originally posted by JIBBBYGaethje may get dropped.. Would be a fun fight to watch.. AL has a chin and it's very hard to land flush on him and drop the guy, slightly better boxing.... Gaethje a little chinny lately in recent fights also.. Both warriors in the cage though..
I'd take Al... Great fight match up and would love to see it!!!!Comment -
Originally posted by firekillexUpon updating the rankings, this fight is imminent.Originally posted by robert_wrath
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Yep me too.. Hard to beat a fighter twice and by method of decision.. I really thought Lee would get his revenge and really go to his wrestling and ground control more.. I think Kevin Lee was gassing out more then anything else in that 5 rounder, I think he began pacing himself and really just trying to hold on especially after round 3..Originally posted by PaperTrail07
I think if this was a 3 round fight we may have seen a different outcome.. Kevin Lee would have given more output for just 3 rounds and really leached onto Al's back after taking him down again and again..Comment -
once AI got out of the body lock and Lee did NOTHING taking his back...I knew it was bad news....smh....Lee knew it tooOriginally posted by JIBBBYComment -
3 round and 5 rounds are diff worlds....agree
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Gaethje doesn't have many fights left and one with Al could be his last.Originally posted by firekillexComment -
what lolOriginally posted by KermitComment -
UFC on Fox 31: Lee vs. Iaquinta II Picks:
Juan Adams Round 1 TKO (Punches)
Adam Milstead Round 1 TKO (Punches)
Dan Ige Unanimous Decision (29-28 x3)
Zak Cummings Round 1 TKO (Punches)
Jack Hermansson Round 1 TKO (Punches)
Jared Gordon Unanimous Decision (29-28 x3)
Bobby Green Split Decision (29-28 x2, 28-29)
Dwight Grant Round 2 KO (Punches)
Charles Oliveira Round 1 Submission (Rear-Naked Choke)
Rob Font Round 1 TKO (Punches)
Dan Hooker Round 1 KO (Knee)
Kevin Lee Round 1 Technical Submission (Rear-Naked Choke)Comment -
UFC on Fox 31: Lee vs. Iaquinta II
Fight Pass Prelims:
Fight #1: Adams (DEBUT) vs. De La Rocha
Adams+De La Rocha Won’t Start Round 2 (-132) -1.32u
Result: Juan Adams Round 3 TKO (Punches)
Fight: -1.32u
Card: -1.32u
Fight #2: Milstead vs. Rodriguez
Milstead KO/TKO (+215) -1u
Result: Mike Rodriguez Round 1 TKO (Knee to the Body and Punches)
Fight: -1u
Card: -2.32u
Fox Sports 1 Prelims:
Fight #3: Ige vs. Griffin (DEBUT)
Griffin ITD (+298) -.5u
Griffin Submission (+525) .5u
Result: Dan Ige Unanimous Decision (29-28 x3)
Fight: -1u
Card: -3.32u
Fight #4: Cummings vs. Smith
Cummings+Smith Won’t Go Distance (+165) -1u
Cummings ITD (+215) -2u
Cummings KO/TKO (+705) -.5u
Hedge:
Smith Decision (+404) -.75u
Result: Zak Cummings Unanimous Decision (29-28 x3)
Fight: -4.25u
Card: -7.57u
Fight #5: Hermansson vs. Meerschaert
Hermansson -3.5 (+100) +3u
Hermansson Submission (+950) +7.13u
Hedge(s):
Meerschaert (+205) -1u
Meerschaert ITD (+230) -1u
Added:
Hermansson KO/TKO (+250) -1u
Result: Jack Hermansson Round 1 Submission (Guillotine Choke)
Fight: +7.13u
Card: -0.44u
Fight #6: Gordon vs. Silva
Gordon (-125) -2.5u
Gordon Round 2 (+825) -.75u
Gordon Round 3 (+1425) -.5u
Hedge(s):
Silva KO/TKO (+425) +2.13u
Silva Round 1 (+550) -.5u
Added:
Gordon Decision (+185) -1u
Result: Joaquim Silva Round 3 KO (Punches)
Fight: -3.12u
Card: -3.56u
Fight #7: Green vs. Klose
Green (+240) -1.75u
Green Decision (+380) -1u
Result: Drakkar Klose Unanimous Decision (29-28 x3)
Fight: -2.75u
Card: -6.31u
Fight #8: Grant (DEBUT) vs. Ottow
Ottow Submission (+1315) -.5u
Result: Zak Ottow Split Decision (29-28 x2, 28-29)
Fight: -.5u
Card: -6.81u
Main Card:
Fight #9: Oliveira vs. Miller
Oliveira Submission (+100) +2.5u
Hedge(s):
Miller ITD (+451) -.5u
Miller Submission (+751) -.5u
Result: Charles Oliveira Round 1 Submission (Rear-Naked Choke)
Fight: +1.5u
Card: -5.31u
Fight #10: Font vs. Pettis
Font (-160) +5u
Font+Pettis Won’t Go Distance (+175) -1u
Font ITD (+185) -2u
Font Submission (+1200) -.5u
Hedge:
Pettis Submission (+1368) -1u
Result: Rob Font Unanimous Decision (30-27 x3)
Fight: +0.5u
Card: -4.81u
Fight #11: Hooker vs. Barboza
Hooker Scorecards = No Action (-145) -5.08u
Hooker ITD (+185) -2.5u
Hooker KO/TKO (+350) -1u
Hooker Submission (+845) -.5u
Added:
Hooker Decision (+411) -.75u
Hedge:
Barboza Decision (+275) -2u
Result: Edson Barboza Round 3 KO (Body Kick)
Fight: -11.83u
Card: -16.64u
Fight #12: Lee vs. Iaquinta
Lee ITD (-124) -1.86u
Lee Submission (+170) -1u
Lee Round 1 (+315) -1u
Lee Round 2 (+475) -.5u
Lee Unanimous Decision (+443) 1u
Lee+Iaquinta Draw (+9000) -.1u
Hedge(s):
Iaquinta KO/TKO (+505) -1.5u
Iaquinta Round 1 (+1200) -.25u
Result: Al Iaquinta Unanimous Decision (49-46, 48-47 x2)
Fight: -7.21u
Card: -23.85u
Straight Parlays:
A. Lee/Font (+104) +1.03u
Results: See Above, Lee Fight Cancelled 2u on Font wins 1.03u
Fights: +1.03u
Card: -22.82u
Prop Parlays:
Oliveira+Miller WGD/Lee -5.5 (+104) -2u
Cummings ITD/Gordon+Silva GD/Green Decision/Lee+Clark WGD/Font+Pettis WGD/Hooker ITD (+49220) -.25u
Added:
Adams+De La Rocha Under 1.5/Milstead/Ige (+324) -.5u
Cummings -3.5/Hermansson/Gordon (+406) -.5u
Font/Hooker/Lee+Iaquinta Under 2.5 (+478) -.5u
Green/Grant ITD/Oliveira Submission (+962) -.25u
Added Hedge:
Barboza ITD/Iaquinta KO (+2863) -.5u
Results: See Above
Fights: -4u
Card: -26.82u
Live Betting:
Font+Pettis Goes Distance (-190) +1.5u after R1
Cummings (-190) +1u after R1
Ige+Griffin Goes Distance (+120) +1.2u after R1
Hooker+Barboza Won’t Go Distance (+165) +1.65u after R1
Iaquinta (+180) +1.8u after R2
Klose (+250) +3.75u after R2
Results: See Above
Fights: +10.9u
Card: -15.92u
Full Card Props:
Over 5.5 Fights Go Distance (+107) +1.34u
Over 6.5 Fights Go Distance (+232) -.5u
Over 7.5 Fights Go Distance (+518) -.5u
Over 8.5 Fights Go Distance (+1432) -.25u
FOTN: Silva+Gordon
POTN: Iaquinta, Oliveira
Fastest Submission: Oliveira R1 (1:15)
Fastest KO: Rodriguez R1 (2:59)
Decisions: 6
Results: See Above
Fights: +0.09u
Final Card Total = -15.83u
Multi-Event Parlays:
Velasquez/Oliveira+Miller WGD (-123) +2u
Santos+Manuwa WSR3/Font (+114) +1.14u
Santos+Manuwa WSR3/Hooker (+124) -1u
Ferreira+Nelson WGD/A. Lee (+141) +.97u
Results: See Above
Fights: +3.11u
Multi-Event Parlays = +3.11uComment -
WolfTicketDealer and I actually met Gaethje on our plane back to Colorado from UFC 231. He said that he wanted the winner of this fight when we talked to him. Would favor Gaethje pretty solidly against Al.Originally posted by firekillexComment -
Nice we ended up meeting eryk anders he sat right behind us and watched the rest of the card with his family .. and for gaethje al it depend so how many rounds tbh, I’d lean gaethje in a 3 rounder an al in a 5... Al has had tons of knee problems though fighting a guy like Gaethje could be real dangerous .. would love to see that scrapOriginally posted by Hugo de NaranjaComment -
Mad respect for being honest and not just saying broke even blah blah like most ufc posters.Originally posted by Hugo de NaranjaComment -
Originally posted by Sanity Check
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Slept through half the card, didn't bother capping everything, only made 3 or 4 plays... still beat Hugo by 5 units and a pick or two.
I hope you're getting some positive reads from our friendly rivalry, Hugo. Remember when you used to talk down to me and act as if I were somehow inferior to you?
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Can't win 'em all. Made a few bad bets, learned some lessons. Onto the next.Comment -
Sanity check is either the best troll I’ve ever seen or has legitimate mental issues..... still can’t decide which is the correct answer yetComment -
Def both BUUUT he is still one of US......hes like Alan in the hangover lol Originally posted by firekillexComment -
That was pretty funny.Originally posted by PaperTrail07Def both BUUUT he is still one of US......hes like Alan in the hangover lolComment -
hes slowly growing on me.. sometimes i get a good chuckle from his insane statements i cant deny thatOriginally posted by PaperTrail07Def both BUUUT he is still one of US......hes like Alan in the hangover lol
seems like he actually does watch/ know the sport but some of the things he says are extremely strange / far out thereComment -
Al has a solid chin. I like Gaethje and don't want to see him take 3 rounds of head trauma.Originally posted by firekillexComment -
The guy rode his back for maybe 6-7 minutes total fight time and never even once threatened him with a possible RNC. He had him upside down in an awkward position in the second and threw a few bombs, but didn't have the fight IQ to realize that was a way towards victory and just stopped throwing. I didn't feel it was that Lee got tired in there, It's just that he really hasn't been taught yet how to use his wrestling to completely smother mofos by constant pressure. Big as he is, it shouldn't be so easy for most of the fighters he gets down on the ground to work their ways back up as quickly as they do. Just seems to me he is too self-conscious of how he looks in there when fighting and the product he is selling the fans to be focused on actually getting that W. Otherwise, what else explains his constant desire to pretend he is a top notch striker and ignore takedown attempts. Both time AI got in trouble and taken down, I think, inexplicably, were when it was actually AI who started reaching for and closing the distance with Lee, instead of the other way around. The first time for sure. Remember he did it a few times and each time I about lost my mind and almost threw my computer out the window. LOL. But yeah, Lee is nowhere near the hype, and isn't improving as a fighter at all. Take away the RNC, and he doesn't have much of a path to victory against any top level competition. Just a self-lauded gate-keeper in his prime. Real recognize real.Originally posted by PaperTrail07Comment -
Naw, man. AI is exactly the type of fight UFC would feed Conor and he would take right now, outside of Diaz. The most beatable guy for their star who absolutely cannot take another loss out the gate. It ain't like they wanna feed him to Porier, really, so who else is Conor supposed to fight? Both Porier and Holloway light years away from the rawdogs they were when they first fought Conor. Looking at styles, Conor beats AI pretty solidly. Negates the guy's hand speed with his own, and hits harder. AI wouldn't beat Conor. All other doable fights they can make would.Originally posted by JAKEPEAVY21Comment -
Yeah they cant risk anyone with ANY KIND of ground game....agree....this Boxing match would probably be won by CM...id still like to see it...AI is tough...he might test the will of CM and we could see him bitch out again...possibly tap to strikes like MIR just did...lol.....Originally posted by RussianMikeComment -
VERY well said.... I don't think Lee gassed either...AI pretty much delt with everything he had and kept bringing the heat....MADE lee walk backwards....Ai had more heart, better cardio an is flat out smarter....when he had AI's back the body lock in, I expected elbows to soften him up then and QUICK sink of the hand and arch the back...but no. AI simply answered the phone and it was like Lee didn't wven wanna try it lol....early in the fight as well...should have been semi sticky...smh.....it DOES look like he has peaked as far as skillsOriginally posted by RussianMikeComment -
Mcgregor would smoke AL in all honesty.. perfect style matchup for him... Al or Cowboy wouldve been good fights or Mcgregor imo
like to see how this 155 lb weightclass goes , so many contenders its crazy... will 165lbs actually come ?? or was that promo just showing a new championship belt designComment -
There's a technique Chris Holdsworth was very good @ where the RNC choke starts over someone's chin and you work it under their chin for a finish.Originally posted by RussianMike
All Kevin Lee would have to do is learn & practice that and he would finish Raging Al in round 1 no problem.
So I don't know wtf you're talking about pretending that Kevin Lee never had a chance coming into the fight.
A fight you probably didn't bet more than $50 on cuz you were "so confident" Raging Al would win.Comment -
no way mcgregor would smoke AL, he fights like diaz, coming forward with constant pressure and has a solid chin. the second diaz fight was so close and could have gone other way.Originally posted by firekillex
the top 5 155lb all have a good chance of beating mcgregor. here are top 5, khabi, tony, AL, dustin, and kevin lee. they all have good ground game and dont have to rely on their feet. they also have option to shoot for takedown if getting rocked on the feet. as for conor, we all know what happened last time he went for a takedown.Comment -
Al doesn’t have much head movement. I think him fighting Conor would kind of look like when Conor fought EddieOriginally posted by nyrider88Comment -
Al is very tough and comes forward , he doesnt have the chin Diaz has imo and he doesnt have that reach... Mcgregor destroyed Diaz the only thing Diaz has on him was size, cardio and an amazing chin... skill wise he smoked him , he would smoke Al imo unless hes so far gone from drugs and the rich lifestyle , which is always a question mark now IMO
the 2 hardest challenges in the top 5 for Mcgregor are Khabib and Lee style wise imo... Al and Ferguson get hit a ton and Porier already has been kod by Mcgregor and has been kod in previous fights... Overall skill wise Ferguson and Porier are the most skilled IMO, but khabib and Mcgregor are specialists and Lee is just a beast athlete who needs work stillComment -
Would love to see Ferguson and Mcgregor go. That would be fun to watch. I think Mcgregor would beat the brakes off Lee.Originally posted by firekillexComment -
dustin has evolved so far since he fought conor, he uses alot of wrestling and takedowns in his recent fights and it's a complete different fighter noo. to put conor and khabi in the same category is a joke. conor is an one dimensional fighter, if he gets hit or rocked, then the fight is pretty much done since he has a weak chin and cardio.Comment -
dustin has evolved no doubt, but hes a stand up fighter with not the best chin.. hes very skilled everywhere but he doesnt use his grappling a ton. Khabib is a grappler , Mcgregor is a striker how is that a different category theyre both specalists in an aspect of mma lol?? People just hate on Mcgregor far too much imo, when he was really dedicated and into the game he was one of the best strikers MMA has seen , just like Khabib is one of the best grapplers MMA has ever seen... styles make fightsOriginally posted by nyrider88Comment -
To put Poirier in same category as Conor or Khabib is a joke. They have achieved way more than he can imagine right now. Maybe he gets there but right now he is down the ladder from them.Originally posted by nyrider88Comment -
agreed... i actually think Porier is a darkhorse in the division he has all the talent in the world tbh.. but in big fights he hasnt shown up some times and thats just a fact.. 155 has so many talented dudes with different skills , mma math doesnt work but if you do the right matchups theres guys who can beat almost anybody like the guys who i think give Khabib the biggest challenge arent even guys in the top 3 ... i think Gaethje would give him a great fight with his athletic wrestling, unorthodox leg kick angles and pushing the pace, but i think he could get destroyed by Mcgregor , just about styles and who shows up on the night sometimesOriginally posted by kcchiefsComment
