UFC Fight Night 129 | Till vs. Thompson | 5/27/2018 | Liverpool, England

[Sanity Check]

Thomson - never 49-46 but I did think till took it (just)

Zero credibility.

[stonebanks]

Zero credibility.

My bank balance says otherwise 🕺🏽

Don’t let those Wonderboy tinted glasses distract you from the fact he didn’t work enough to get the W. Neither did that knock down in the 5th help him.

Regardless of the outcome, it wasn’t entertaining.

I hope you hedged your Wonderboy parlay 🤠

[Sanity Check]

Need Thompson to finish 2 parlays.

Been here before. Hopefully it goes better than the last time I needed Thompson to fin.

Lost two more parlays on Thompson. One would've paidout 8.6 other was worth 6.1

Luckily, I hedged?

My bank balance says otherwise ����

Don’t let those Wonderboy tinted glasses distract you from the fact he didn’t work enough to get the W. Neither did that knock down in the 5th help him.

Regardless of the outcome, it wasn’t entertaining.

I hope you hedged your Wonderboy parlay ��

[Hugo de Naranja]

Although that main event had some close rounds it was definitely a robbery.

http://mmadecisions.com/decision/9085/Darren-Till-vs-Stephen-Thompson

Of the 25 Media Members survey, 22 scored it for Thompson and 3 scored it for Till. Not a single one of the 25 unbiased experts scored it 49-46 Till but TWO of the British judges had it that way.

Those two were Andy Roberts and Paul Sutherland who were responsible for the other two horrendous cards for this event. Roberts turned in the 30-27 Knight card while Sutherland had the 29-28 Scott card. These men should never be allowed to judge a combat sports event again.

[Hugo de Naranja]

Who got robbed in new york?



California and NY are the two most corrupt states in america. It wouldn't be surprising if "collusion" occurred in those places. I can't remember judges being this biased in a main event before. Its almost as bad as the 30-27 call in favor of Jason Knight.

Adelaide Byrd FTL.

Same judge as one of the 49-46 Till cards.

[Hugo de Naranja]

My picks for today:
Theodoru - decision W
Lansberg + over 2.5 rounds W
Pedersoli - win W
Breese - Itd. W
Allen - win. W
Taleb - itd. - L
Spicely sub / Stewart ko W
Knight - win. L
Knight go the distance W
Magny - over 1.5 rounds L
Thompson - win. L
Stewart silva double parlay W

Turned an ok profit today, 8/12 winners. Cashed in the first 5 fights topped off with a silva and Stewart parlay which was only placed for fun. Ended up being my biggest win.

Notes for future: theodoru looked terrible. I’ll be sure to back against him soon. Pedersoli looked solid. Breese looked well but was basically fighting an old can. Was not impressed with Allen, will look to back against him also. Thomson - never 49-46 but I did think till took it (just)

Nice bets Stone!

[Hugo de Naranja]

UFC Fight Night 130: Thompson vs. Till Picks:
Elias Theodorou Unanimous Decision (30-27 x3)
Gillian Robertson Round 1 Submission (Armbar)
Carlo Pedersoli Unanimous Decision (30-27, 29-28 x2)
Gina Mazany Unanimous Decision (30-27 x3)
Tom Breese Round 1 TKO (Punches)
Eric Spicely Round 1 Submission (Rear-Naked Choke)
Nordine Taleb Round 2 TKO (Punches)
Makwan Amirkhani Split Decision (29-28 x2, 28-29)
Arnold Allen Unanimous Decision (30-27 x3)
Neil Magny Unanimous Decision (30-27, 30-26 x2)
Stephen Thompson Unanimous Decision (50-45 x3

[Hugo de Naranja]

UFC Fight Night 130: Thompson vs. Till

Fight Pass Prelims:

Fight #1: Theodorou vs. Smith
Theodorou -3.5 (+100) +1u

Result: Elias Theodorou Unanimous Decision (30-27 x2, 29-28)
Fight: +1u
Card: +1u

Fox Sports 1 Prelims:

Fight #2: Robertson vs. McCann (DEBUT)
Robertson (+175) +1.75u
Robertson ITD (+335) +3.35u

Result: Gillian Robertson Round 2 Technical Submission (Rear-Naked Choke)
Fight: +5.1u
Card: +6.1u

Fight #3: Pedersoli (DEBUT) vs. Scott
Pedersoli Decision (+210) +2.1u

Added Hedge:
Scott Submission (+755) -.5u

Result: Carlo Pedersoli Split Decision (29-28 x2, 28-29)
Fight: +1.6u
Card: +7.7u

Fight #4: Mazany vs. Lansberg
Mazany ITD (+450) -1u

Result: Lina Lansberg Unanimous Decision (30-27 x2, 29-28)
Fight: -1u
Card: +6.7u

Fight #5: Breese vs. Kelly
Breese KO/TKO (+265) +2.65u
Breese Round 1 (+350) +3.5u

Hedge:
Kelly Round 3 (+3200) -.25u

Result: Tom Breese Round 1 TKO (Punches)
Fight: +5.9u
Card: +12.6u

Main Card:

Fight #6: Spicely vs. Stewart
Spicely+Stewart Won’t Start Round 2 (+125) -2u

Result: Darren Stewart Round 2 TKO (Punches)
Fight: -2u
Card: +10.6u

Fight #7: Taleb vs. Silva
Taleb KO/TKO (+285) -1u
Taleb Round 2 (+700) -.5u
Taleb Round 3 (+1233) -.5u

Hedge:
Silva Submission (+940) +4.7u

Added Hedge:
Silva Submission (+750) +3.75u

Result: Claudio Silva Round 1 Submission (Rear-Naked Choke)
Fight: +6.45u
Card: +17.05u

Fight #8: Amirkhani vs. Knight
Amirkhani (+135) +2.025u
Amirkhani Submission (+725) -.5u

Result: Makwan Amirkhani Split Decision (29-28 x2, 27-30)
Fight: +1.525u
Card: +18.575u

Fight #9: Allen vs. Burnell
Allen -3.5 (+100) +.5u

Result: Arnold Allen Round 3 Submission (Front Choke)
Fight: +0.5u
Card: +19.075u

Fight #10: Magny vs. White (DEBUT)
Magny Decision (+257) -1u
Magny Round 3 (+800) -.5u

Hedge(s):
White ITD (+875) -1u
White Round 1 (+1450) -.5u

Result: Neil Magny Round 1 TKO (Knee and Punches)
Fight: -3u
Card: +16.075u

Fight #11: Thompson vs. Till
Thompson (-123) -5u
Thompson Unanimous Decision (+405) -1u
Thompson Round 3 (+1150) -.5u
Thompson Round 4 (+1750) -.25u
Thompson Round 5 (+2400) -.25u
Thompson+Till Draw (+8000) -.25u

Hedge(s):
Till Decision (+400) +4u
Till Round 1 (+625) -1u
Till Split/Majority Decision (+1090) -.5u

Result: Darren Till Unanimous Decision (49-46 x2, 48-47)
Fight: -4.75u
Card: +11.325u

Straight Parlays:
Allen/Magny+White WGD (+109) +1.09u
Pedersoli/Taleb (+112) -2u
Taleb+Silva GD/Allen (+139) -1u
Theodorou+Smith GD/Taleb+Silva GD (+155) -1u

Results: See Above
Fights: -2.91u
Card: +8.415u

Prop Parlays:
Breese -3.5/Taleb -3.5 (+147) -1u
Mazany/Breese+Kelly Won’t Go Distance (+269) -.5u
Spicely/Taleb/Amirkhani (+412) -.5u
Theodorou Decision/Robertson/Pedersoli (+572) +2.86u
Allen Decision/Magny+White Goes Distance/Thompson (+1025) -.25u

Results: See Above
Fights: +0.61u
Card: +9.025u

Live Betting:
Spicely+Stewart Goes Distance (+140) -1u
Scott (+180) -.75u

Results: See Above
Fights: -1.75u
Card: +7.275u

Full Card Props:
Over 6.5 Fights Go Distance (+159) -1.25u
Over 7.5 Fights Go Distance (+438) -.5u
Over 8.5 Fights Go Distance (+1372) -.25u

FOTN: None
POTN: Breese, Stewart, Silva, Allen
Fastest Submission: Silva R1 (4:31)
Fastest KO: Breese R1 (3:33)
Decisions: 5
Results: See Above
Fights: -2u
Final Card Total = +5.275u

Multi-Event Parlays:
Magomedsharipov -3.5/Thompson (-102) -1.02u
Carlos Junior/Thompson (+121) -2.5u
Suarez -3.5/Thompson (+130) -3.5u

Results: See Above
Fights: -7.02u
Multi-Event Parlays = -7.02u

[Sanity Check]

Although that main event had some close rounds it was definitely a robbery.

http://mmadecisions.com/decision/9085/Darren-Till-vs-Stephen-Thompson

Of the 25 Media Members survey, 22 scored it for Thompson and 3 scored it for Till. Not a single one of the 25 unbiased experts scored it 49-46 Till but TWO of the British judges had it that way.

Those two were Andy Roberts and Paul Sutherland who were responsible for the other two horrendous cards for this event. Roberts turned in the 30-27 Knight card while Sutherland had the 29-28 Scott card. These men should never be allowed to judge a combat sports event again.

100% agree.

Said as much here:

http://www.mmaforum.com/ufc/275257-ufc-fight-night-130-thompson-vs-till-event-discussion.html#post4005217

Yes, I'm Trix on mmaforum.

[JIBBBY]

That works

Pending

5/27/18 1:30pm MMA Props Fighting 1427 Silva wins by submission +1260* vs Any other result

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5/27/18 1:30pm MMA Props Fighting 1405 Silva wins inside distance +920* vs Not Silva inside distance

I'm just going over this thread now and saw this.. Silva Sub prop odds were insane.. I loved this bet... Great prop wins for value Spurg.. Looks like a few of us were on that... That one fight Silva SUBMISSION win saved my day..

That's the power of these high value props, you hit one good one and the night is then gravy....

[Thrilla]

Till looks in a pretty good spot mentally coming in. Should be a good fight. Just gonna sit this out and take my 2u loss for the night. I had a bad feeling about this card all week so escaping -2u isn't the worst thing ever. Fight another day.

Strong

[Thrilla]

Backed Wonderboy @+110. So much for being happy beating the closing line. Always had a feeling this could lose in a controversial way.

[Thrilla]

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[JIBBBY]

Till is legit but he didn't make weight.. If Till has to move up a division now a strong wrestler with a good submission game has a very good chance to ground him and then sub him out.

Till probably has to move up as he didn't even come close to making the weight.. Wonderboy was fighting a larger man, unfair advantage...

Can't knock Wonderboy at all, he made the weight.. He didn't even have to take this fight once they both stepped on the scales.. He probably shouldn't have.. This Wonderboy loss probably knocks him back a tiny bit in the rankings now..

It's gonna be a longer journey now for Wonderboy to make it back into a title bout again.. At 35 years of age that can't be a good thing. Strikers start losing a step after 35 and chin gets suspect...

Wonderboy might now be on the decline..

[Thrilla]

Jibbby - The chin expert has spoken.

[Thrilla]

Jibbby you were saying pretty much the right things about Thompson vs. Till, I was just semi-trolling you and keep you sharp.

[RussianMike]

Gotta say, outcome was exactly as expected. All the penetrating Brits going into decisions committed robbery. Why are people so surprised? Nothing out of the ordinary at all. Was the easiest payday of the year.

Although that main event had some close rounds it was definitely a robbery.

http://mmadecisions.com/decision/9085/Darren-Till-vs-Stephen-Thompson

Of the 25 Media Members survey, 22 scored it for Thompson and 3 scored it for Till. Not a single one of the 25 unbiased experts scored it 49-46 Till but TWO of the British judges had it that way.

Those two were Andy Roberts and Paul Sutherland who were responsible for the other two horrendous cards for this event. Roberts turned in the 30-27 Knight card while Sutherland had the 29-28 Scott card. These men should never be allowed to judge a combat sports event again.

[RussianMike]

Without the power to KO Till, no way Wonderboy should have ever even considered fighting Till anywhere other than the US. WB lost that fight because he doesn't have anybody with brains around him telling him how bad a move signing onto that fight in the first place was. Stoooopid.

[turbozed]

Decision kind of reminds me of Bisping vs Henderson but where the other guy won. Here the roles were switched with Till being Hendo and WB being Bisping.

Like Hendo, Till did more damage as a whole by landing the only significant real shot of the fight, and also by visibly damaging both of WB's legs. Till like Hendo was also the aggressor the whole time.

However, WB like Bisping won rounds by landing a few more clean shots while backing up. However, WB only landed 30 strikes in this fight, whereas Bisping landed over 100.

In that fight, Bisping received a 48-47s and a 49-46 for his point fighting style in England. However, this time in England, they rewarded the aggressor. So judging is definitely inconsistent.

The takeaway for the future is don't bet against the crowd favorite in England when it's expected to be a close match since MMA judging there is either corrupt or (more likely IMO) so imprecise as to be heavily influenced by crowd atmosphere. Many people were thinking that Till wouldn't come close to even keeping up with WB in the striking and he wasn't ready for such a big step up, so the hometown advantage in a close fight wouldn't matter. I think it was pretty impressive that Till essentially played the point fighting game with WB and kept up for 5 rounds eventually getting to WB.

Media scores weren't close but the live lines were even between rounds 4 and 5. I don't think I would call it a robbery but I may be biased since I had money on Till.

[JIBBBY]

^ I don't think it was robbery either and I had money on Wonderboy.. Till probably won on aggression, damage and he had the knock down.. Wonderboy didn't do much other then love tap Till.. Wonderboy took the harder leg shots as well...

Like RussianMike said, Wonderboy handlers should have never let him take that fight to begin with in England.. Especially after Till didn't make the weight. Stupid career decision for Wonderboy.. Knowing Dana White though Wonderboy won't be penalized to greatly for losing this fight since Till didn't make the weight and WB took the fight anyways...

Then again Dana White doesn't really like runners and fighters not really fighting to win.. We'll see what happens with the 35 year old Wonderboy now? I'm in no hurry to see him fight again....

[Thrilla]

[Hugo de Naranja]

Gotta say, outcome was exactly as expected. All the penetrating Brits going into decisions committed robbery. Why are people so surprised? Nothing out of the ordinary at all. Was the easiest payday of the year.

I remember you did call the robbery well before the fight.

[kanye3000]

I had Thompson but I thought it was a close fight that was his to lose. Thompson should've done more...should've known the Brit would get the decision in his hometown

[Biffsbook]

Hi guys just wondering how do you upload betslips? - sanity check I noticed you uploaded one but can't find the option!?

Just catching up and settled with the bookies and just settled up about the fight with grant vs Bermudez as it was anchoring a 9 over/under parlay i put on as soon as the lines was released just for sport so I only went small.

I got off to a good start this card but went downhill towards the end with spicely, knight and Thompson

Theodorou decision W
Taleb ko L
Spicely sub L
Knight sub L
Thomson ko round 4/5 L
Pessrsoli W
Allen decision won but not decision
Lansberg decision W
Magny ITD W

I landed big on this card with the over/ under Parlay, after the bookies voided the fight paid out at 225/1 (after the voided fight) which left me with a healthy profit.

Lesson learned on knight who's fight IQ you cannot call and Thompson vs Till was a tough call

On to the next one

[Sanity Check]

I see people saying Darren Till vs Stephen Thompson was a "close fight".

As if to make excuses for Darren Till missing weight--basically cheating. Then judges blatantly miscoring it 49-46 in Darren Till's favor.

That's how far people have fallen. They make excuses when they see corruption and cheating in the way that women who are domestically abused claim they merely tripped fell and gave themselves a black eye.

What a bunch of cucks some of you are.



Darren Till lost that fight as almost none of his punches landed. You don't get points for "moving forward aggressively throwing punches and missing". Its not complicated.

[Biffsbook]

I was on Thompson and feel he took it but it was a 'close fight' with no decisive winner.

I agree on the weight cut and the 49-46 was a joke from all concerned and WB was a class act when most would call for a rematch but maybe after the woodley rematch he knows it won't happen

[stonebanks]

Hi guys just wondering how do you upload betslips? - sanity check I noticed you uploaded one but can't find the option!?

Just catching up and settled with the bookies and just settled up about the fight with grant vs Bermudez as it was anchoring a 9 over/under parlay i put on as soon as the lines was released just for sport so I only went small.

I got off to a good start this card but went downhill towards the end with spicely, knight and Thompson

Theodorou decision W
Taleb ko L
Spicely sub L
Knight sub L
Thomson ko round 4/5 L
Pessrsoli W
Allen decision won but not decision
Lansberg decision W
Magny ITD W

I landed big on this card with the over/ under Parlay, after the bookies voided the fight paid out at 225/1 (after the voided fight) which left me with a healthy profit.

Lesson learned on knight who's fight IQ you cannot call and Thompson vs Till was a tough call

On to the next one

9 fold parlay. Congrats Biff, that’s a huge call. I saw the breese / Kelly over/under at 2.75/1 Bookies Handing out free money.

SC - still bitter over the till Thompson result. Cases for victory both sides. Close fight. Till outlanded Thomson by 8 strikes - 38 vs 30 and possibly had more octagon control. I still thought WB may have taken it but I can also see argument for both sides. Regardless, it’s not really a loss for WB as Dana has promised him any fight he wants as gratitude for taking the fight against weight.

However, if your card of 12 fights comes down to 1 fight then perhaps you should look at the rest of the card..

Time to forget this card and get some tape for 131 as there isnt much time.

See you all on the next one.

Hugo - thanks for the bet points. Card well played also

[Sanity Check]

SC - still bitter over the till Thompson result. Cases for victory both sides. Close fight. Till outlanded Thomson by 8 strikes - 38 vs 30 and possibly had more octagon control. I still thought WB may have taken it but I can also see argument for both sides. Regardless, it’s not really a loss for WB as Dana has promised him any fight he wants as gratitude for taking the fight against weight.
However, if your card of 12 fights comes down to 1 fight then perhaps you should look at the rest of the card..
Time to forget this card and get some tape for 131 as there isnt much time.
See you all on the next one.
Hugo - thanks for the bet points. Card well played also

2 out of 24 experts / analysts live scoring the fight thought Darren Till won.


Everyone else scored it for WB.

It wasn't that close a fight as Darren Till missed nearly every single punch he threw.

I parlayed Thompson with Amirkhani, Arnold Allen and I think MVP. Its annoying cuz I've made a lot of perfect parlays I needed Thompson to finish. Then Thompson either gets robbed by judges or makes rookie mistakes like getting dropped in the 5th round because he thinks he has the fight won and mentally checks out of the fight, losing his focus.

I'm on one of those streaks where the only time I lost @ betting is when I get robbed by incompetent / biased / drunk judges who scored Jason Knight vs Makwan Amirkhani 30-27 in Jason Knight's favor.

I should be thankful and appreciative of how well things have gone for me of late. Somehow I gotta whine and complain instead. Whine, whine, whine. Complain, complain, complain. LOL

[Thor4140]

I see people saying Darren Till vs Stephen Thompson was a "close fight".

As if to make excuses for Darren Till missing weight--basically cheating. Then judges blatantly miscoring it 49-46 in Darren Till's favor.

That's how far people have fallen. They make excuses when they see corruption and cheating in the way that women who are domestically abused claim they merely tripped fell and gave themselves a black eye.

What a bunch of cucks some of you are.



Darren Till lost that fight as almost none of his punches landed. You don't get points for "moving forward aggressively throwing punches and missing". Its not complicated.

Who u think the majority of the money was on with the biggest fight on the card? I have been saying this for ten years. Nothing about bad judging and everything to do with where the money was bet. Wonderboy in no way was going to win a decision even if this was in Vegas after Till missed weight and all this talk about he had to be a certain weight on Sunday. Nobody was betting Till but his die hard supporters. Why would u with all the weight issues fighting the number two guy in the world. JUst another day at the office for the books who have all the connections we don't.

[Sanity Check]

Who u think the majority of the money was on with the biggest fight on the card? I have been saying this for ten years. Nothing about bad judging and everything to do with where the money was bet.

It could boil down to politics. I'll give you an example.

Does anyone remember Manny Pacquiao's 1st fight with Timothy Bradley where most people thought Pacman got robbed by the judges?

That might have been "political payback" for Manny Pacquiao complaining about american taxes being too high and threatening to fight outside the USA. So what happened after that? Years later, Manny Pacquiao fights in australia (perhaps to avoid those high american taxes) and maybe Manny Pacquiao gets robbed again. Notice a pattern developing here?

Of course, Manny Pacquiao being a senator in the philippines, he may have been robbed in australia for supporting the closing of philippine borders to radical islamics who want to rape his women and throw his gays off buildings.

Hillary Clinton supporters wouldn't understand this point as they've consistently supported opening american borders to illegal immigrants who want to rape american women and throw american gays off buildings & so we must acknowledge this point flies over their heads.

A hot news topic in the UK right now is Tommy Robbinson being censored and arrested for reporting on things which go against the pro establishment media narrative.

They need other news to distract from Tommy Robbinson and so hey we have Darren Till winning a big fight. What an amazing coincidence.

[stonebanks]

Gentlemen please..

Stone.

[Biffsbook]

It could boil down to politics. I'll give you an example.

Does anyone remember Manny Pacquiao's 1st fight with Timothy Bradley where most people thought Pacman got robbed by the judges?

That might have been "political payback" for Manny Pacquiao complaining about american taxes being too high and threatening to fight outside the USA. So what happened after that? Years later, Manny Pacquiao fights in australia (perhaps to avoid those high american taxes) and maybe Manny Pacquiao gets robbed again. Notice a pattern developing here?

Of course, Manny Pacquiao being a senator in the philippines, he may have been robbed in australia for supporting the closing of philippine borders to radical islamics who want to rape his women and throw his gays off buildings.

Hillary Clinton supporters wouldn't understand this point as they've consistently supported opening american borders to illegal immigrants who want to rape american women and throw american gays off buildings & so we must acknowledge this point flies over their heads.

A hot news topic in the UK right now is Tommy Robbinson being censored and arrested for reporting on things which go against the pro establishment media narrative.

They need other news to distract from Tommy Robbinson and so hey we have Darren Till winning a big fight. What an amazing coincidence.

I can assure you till winning has zero effect on the mainstream media in the U.K.

As much as the UFC want to portray it as big news the result has minimum effect or coverage in the U.K media especially with Liverpool losing the champions league and the World Cup only weeks away, it should be big news though!

[Thor4140]

It could boil down to politics. I'll give you an example.

Does anyone remember Manny Pacquiao's 1st fight with Timothy Bradley where most people thought Pacman got robbed by the judges?

That might have been "political payback" for Manny Pacquiao complaining about american taxes being too high and threatening to fight outside the USA. So what happened after that? Years later, Manny Pacquiao fights in australia (perhaps to avoid those high american taxes) and maybe Manny Pacquiao gets robbed again. Notice a pattern developing here?

Of course, Manny Pacquiao being a senator in the philippines, he may have been robbed in australia for supporting the closing of philippine borders to radical islamics who want to rape his women and throw his gays off buildings.

Hillary Clinton supporters wouldn't understand this point as they've consistently supported opening american borders to illegal immigrants who want to rape american women and throw american gays off buildings & so we must acknowledge this point flies over their heads.

A hot news topic in the UK right now is Tommy Robbinson being censored and arrested for reporting on things which go against the pro establishment media narrative.

They need other news to distract from Tommy Robbinson and so hey we have Darren Till winning a big fight. What an amazing coincidence.

Lol whatever.

[PaperTrail07]

I got destroyed this event.....had till at the end and even I thought Thompson won....

[slikec]

That WB loss sucks was my biggest bet last 3 years but ok wasnt near as big of bet i would make before lol so is fine.