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  • JoshKnows46
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    • 07-27-12
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    #1
    Bellator 149: Feb 19th
    Kimbo Slice -270 $675 to win $250
    Linton Vassell +185 $250 to win $462.50
  • PaperTrail07
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    • 08-29-08
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    #2
    Have to think Kimbo Mops him up fairly quick...
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    • Deceptakhan
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      • 12-26-12
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      #3
      I like the value on Vassell, i dunno bout pickin between these 2 old silver backs though, u don't think the line is heavily swayed by the public? So sure kimbo can drop dada? Or lookin for a lil Friday night action
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      • JoshKnows46
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        #4
        Originally posted by Deceptakhan
        I like the value on Vassell, i dunno bout pickin between these 2 old silver backs though, u don't think the line is heavily swayed by the public? So sure kimbo can drop dada? Or lookin for a lil Friday night action
        Kimbo will be able to take him down at will, get full mount at will, and then drop bomb till the ref stops it, or choke him out, which ever he chooses, fight shoudnt last more than 3 minutes, far more complete mixed martial artist. There's no were dada has a advantage in this fight, kimbo is miles ahead both in the stand up and on the ground
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        • PaperTrail07
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          #5
          Yeah if DADA goes to the ground he will look like James Toney out there....
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          • mirinquads
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            #6
            Vassell has huge value here. Kimbo is indeed way better, but he might choose to brawl it out for the fans, and both his chin and knees are gone at this point. Can't play him at that price. DADA does truly stink though.
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            • bjpenn85
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              • 02-17-11
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              #7
              Im going with kimbo. On paper this fight isnt close.
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              • terpkeg
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                • 10-26-09
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                #8
                Originally posted by JoshKnows46
                Kimbo Slice -270 $675 to win $250
                Linton Vassell +185 $250 to win $462.50
                Nice hit on openers
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                • terpkeg
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                  • 10-26-09
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                  #9
                  You know Newton's physical condition? IIRC he dropped some mass and looked very undersized his last time out.
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                  • Sanity Check
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                    • 03-30-13
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                    #10
                    Originally posted by terpkeg
                    You know Newton's physical condition? IIRC he dropped some mass and looked very undersized his last time out.
                    This is what Newton said about his last loss.

                    Emanuel Newton: 'Stupid' pre-fight sex contributed to Phil Davis loss

                    Fighters explaining the circumstances around a loss is commonplace in MMA. Emanuel Newton’s reasoning for his most recent defeat might be a new one, though.
                    Newton, the former Bellator light heavyweight champion who suffered a first-round submission loss to Phil Davis in September, said the mistake of having sex just hours before the event was a partial contributor to the loss. A rib injury suffered early in the fight was also a factor, he said.

                    Newton (25-9-1 MMA, 8-3 BMMA) said the pre-fight friskiness hurt his tenacity and “edge” going into the fight. He learned an important lesson from that, he said, which he expects to benefit him going into his Feb. 19 rematch with Linton Vassell (15-5 MMA, 4-2 BMMA) at Bellator 149.
                    “I had sex like three or four hours before the fight, which was stupid,” Newton told MMAjunkie. “Once again, I was getting caught up in that (mentality that) certain things couldn’t touch me when I have to understand that I am human and I do have to train hard and I can’t be going out and making stupid mistakes. Then the first takedown of the fight that Phil got on me, I popped my rib. It just wasn’t meant for me to win that fight because I learned so much.
                    “(Having sex) definitely took away my hips. My trainer Antonio (McKee), even the day before when we were doing the open workouts I was kicking him off his feet with spinning back kicks. The first takedown Phil got on me was when I threw a spinning back kick and he powered through it and he got that body lock and that’s when I popped my rib. But right when we were warming up my trainer looked at me and said, ‘What happened to that power?’ Lesson learned. It happened for a bigger reason and I did learn a lesson and get a deeper understanding of myself.”
                    Bellator 149 takes place at Houston’s Toyota Center. Newton vs. Vassell airs on the Spike-televised main card following prelims on MMAjunkie.
                    Phil Davis vs. Emanuel Newton, Bellator 142

                    The loss to Davis came at a crucial time in Newton’s career. He lost the Bellator 205-pound title to Liam McGeary just one fight prior and was hoping to jump right by into a title fight by winning the Bellator 142 one-night tournament. Instead, he lost quickly to Davis in the opening round to put consecutive defeats on his record for the first time since 2009.
                    Newton said he’s not one to panic after a losing streak. He actually started his career with back-to-back losses but managed to overcome the low point and become champion in a major organization. He said takes away important lessons from each unsuccessful performance and said that’s no different now.
                    “My whole career has been like this: lose two or three, then win eight, lose two and win seven,” Newton said. “It’s just been my whole fighting career. I’m closer to God, getting more into my scriptures and getting a deeper understanding of who we truly are and what I truly am.
                    “If I had to fight the fight again and could have had victory, I wouldn’t do it because I learnt so much more. Everything happens for a reason so I’m just going to stand with that. I’m going to go in there knowing I put the time in the gym with the strength and the conditioning and know that I’m with the Bible. I’ve given my life back to Jesus Christ in a deeper and more spiritual way.”
                    In what way will Newton be a changed fighter? He said it will be primarily from a mental standpoint. It’s no secret Newton is a unique character who thinks and acts in a way that’s entirely his own. He said he’s comfortable with that, but at the same time realized he must taper some of that down and keep his career based in reality, as well.
                    “I thought I was Mr. Invincible, but I got what I needed to come to the state of fighter that I am now,” Newton said. “I’m not going into this fight to mess around like when I fought Phil. I’m a fighter and a warrior. I can’t go into a mindset of, ‘Hey, this guy is my friend and we’re just showing off our talents.’ I need to go in there with the mindset of, ‘I need to take this guy’s head off because he’s trying to take a win from me.’ I need to have a more aggressive mentality and a more aggressive attitude. Everything I do has to be full power, full speed ahead and I’m here to (expletive) you up and take your head off.”
                    Newton said he feels at his best with his new outlook. He beat Vassell once before in a fight where he claims to have trained for just two weeks and was “smoking weed the day before I flew out” to the event. Newton still managed to submit Vassell in the fifth round of their fight at Bellator 130 in November 2014, and he said he plans to upstage that performance at Bellator 149 and take his first step back to the championship.
                    “I had to come to the understanding that I’m not a superhero and I can’t just do what I want,” Newton said. “I have to go hard in the gym, I have to evolve with my style and my training tactics. I did that this time and everything is looking good. I want to be the champion again. I want to get back to where I was, but this time in a more spectacular fashion. That’s what I’m working at one fight at a time. My goal is to be the champion and go in there and smash any opponent who steps in the ring with me.”
                    Fighters explaining the circumstances around a loss is commonplace in MMA. Emanuel Newton's reasoning for his most recent defeat might be a new one, though. Newton, the former Bellator light heavyweight champion who suffered a first-round submission loss to Phil Da
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                    • JIBBBY
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                      • 12-10-09
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                      #11
                      ^^ Every fighter has an excuse for losing a big fight.. No surprise with Newton and I take his excuse with a grain of salt..
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                      • Shazzadude
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                        • 11-28-12
                        • 443

                        #12
                        Vassell's come right in, he's only +100 here in Australia.
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                        • CaptChaos145
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                          • 04-03-14
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                          #13
                          Originally posted by JoshKnows46
                          Kimbo Slice -270 $675 to win $250
                          Linton Vassell +185 $250 to win $462.50
                          You got Kimbo at a great value there. His line has gone up over -400 at most books.
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                          • JoshKnows46
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                            #14
                            Originally posted by CaptChaos145
                            You got Kimbo at a great value there. His line has gone up over -400 at most books.
                            I hit both openers and posted that day, Vassell still very valuable at +110. Kimbo line is now too juiced.
                            Last edited by JoshKnows46; 02-17-16, 06:13 PM.
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                            • PaperTrail07
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                              #15
                              it is ...but he really should just go out there in win within 45 seconds right lol...
                              Originally posted by JoshKnows46
                              I hit both openers and posted that day, Vassell still very valuable at +110. Kimbo line is now too juiced.
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                              • JoshKnows46
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                                #16
                                Originally posted by PaperTrail07
                                it is ...but he really should just go out there in win within 45 seconds right lol...
                                Right, should be over in the first minute, but I wouldn't bet kimbo at the current price, in a parlay or straight, too many good cards coming up.
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                                • MMA_Oracle
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                                  • 07-14-15
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                                  #17
                                  can someone explain to me that giant line movement in the kimbo fight? vegas has him at evens
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                                  • TPowell
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                                    • 02-21-08
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                                    #18
                                    Kimbo down to -210? WTF, that is a huge quick drop. Thinking he may be hurt
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                                    • TPowell
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                                      • 02-21-08
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                                      #19
                                      ahhh the weigh in. Forgot about that
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                                      • MMA_Oracle
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                                        • 07-14-15
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                                        #20
                                        if anything, the weigh ins would make you feel worse about DADA 5000 (feel ridiculous typing that lol). at least kimbo looked solid, DADA is a pile of lard w a ridiculous hair cut
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                                        • Pinocchio
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                                          • 06-26-11
                                          • 569

                                          #21
                                          Arb opportunity:

                                          Kimbo -210 Pinnacle ($2500)
                                          Dada +325 Bodog ($770 -> I hope they don't have a lower max than this)

                                          =$400 profit (if Kimbo wins)

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                                          • bjpenn85
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                                            • 02-17-11
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                                            #22
                                            The line movement smells trouble. Something up now.
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                                            • shabang
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                                              • 02-23-13
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                                              #23
                                              agreed..the books have officially shut down betting for the kimbo dada fight.
                                              Last edited by shabang; 02-19-16, 01:01 AM.
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                                              • bjpenn85
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                                                • 02-17-11
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                                                #24
                                                Glad the people that did this is so obvious, preventing oss from taking a huge loss. If they had some intellectual capacity they could have spread the money over time to make it less obvious. Probably some ghetto niggas.
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                                                • JIBBBY
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                                                  • 12-10-09
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                                                  #25
                                                  Originally posted by shabang
                                                  agreed..the books have officially shut down betting for the kimbo dada fight.
                                                  Not all of them yet..
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                                                  • TPowell
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                                                    • 02-21-08
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                                                    #26
                                                    The fact they walked into Vegas and did this makes it less scary IMO
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                                                    • ByAnYMe9n$
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                                                      • 10-15-10
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                                                      #27
                                                      Couple of guys dropped max bets on Dada yesterday 20x max bets are at 1k couple of books dropped the line a lot of people think the fight is going to be fixed and Kimbo is going to take a dive herd it went from kimbo -500 all the way down to pickem I put a little on Dada just because of that !! GL
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                                                      • PaperTrail07
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                                                        • 08-29-08
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                                                        #28
                                                        just shows their low level of intelligence...lol...
                                                        Originally posted by TPowell
                                                        The fact they walked into Vegas and did this makes it less scary IMO
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                                                        • JoshKnows46
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                                                          #29
                                                          Added 2 more units to kimbo and Vassell.
                                                          Kimbo -185 risking $600
                                                          Vassell +110 risking $600
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                                                          • JIBBBY
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                                                            • 12-10-09
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                                                            #30
                                                            Originally posted by JoshKnows46
                                                            Added 2 more units to kimbo and Vassell.
                                                            Kimbo -185 risking $600
                                                            Why would you bet Kimbo now if the fight is potentially rigged Josh? Why go a second round and bet more Kimbo?

                                                            Did you not read or see what happened in the past day? Same guys max betting Dada time after time driving the line to pick em.. Doesn't that raise a red flag in your mind?

                                                            I wouldn't dare touch Kimbo now even at pick em.. NO WAY....
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                                                            • PaperTrail07
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                                                              • 08-29-08
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                                                              #31
                                                              they could have pulled a walters and did it to get -180 hmmmmmmmmmm lol.....-180 is a penetrating STEAL if it is not rigged...DADA has nothing for Kimbo LOL...he is a total bum WITH ZERO ground game lol...1 takedown and the fight is over...
                                                              Originally posted by JIBBBY
                                                              Why would you bet Kimbo now if the fight is potentially rigged Josh? Why go a second round and bet more Kimbo?

                                                              Did you not read or see what happened in the past day? Same guys max betting Dada time after time driving the line to pick em.. Doesn't that raise a red flag in your mind?

                                                              I wouldn't dare touch Kimbo now even at pick em.. NO WAY....
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                                                              • JIBBBY
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                                                                • 12-10-09
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                                                                #32
                                                                Paper it doesn't matter who should win or not if it's potentially rigged.. The fight should be a no play.. Too risky to play Kimbo now especially at - odds.

                                                                If the fight is legit then sure Kimbo should win.. Let's see if it's rigged? Never seen a line move like this where bets were taken off the board.. Something is fishy and still a miss IMO..
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                                                                • JoshKnows46
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                                                                  #33
                                                                  Originally posted by JIBBBY
                                                                  Why would you bet Kimbo now if the fight is potentially rigged Josh? Why go a second round and bet more Kimbo?

                                                                  Did you not read or see what happened in the past day? Same guys max betting Dada time after time driving the line to pick em.. Doesn't that raise a red flag in your mind?

                                                                  I wouldn't dare touch Kimbo now even at pick em.. NO WAY....
                                                                  I don't think it's rigged, I like the value. I couldn't pass up not adding more on kimbo at 185, if it's rigged, so be it, I'll take it on the chin..Gl tonight jibs.
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                                                                  • ByAnYMe9n$
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                                                                    • 10-15-10
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                                                                    #34
                                                                    Another round of bets on Dada5000 by same 3/4 individuals at LV Superbook takes the Slice line back to a pick-em right now. Wow.
                                                                    According to book manager, 'three to four guys' walked in and bet the limit about 20 times. "Just kept firing on the dog over and over."
                                                                    Spoke to manager at LV Sportsbook in Vegas, betting line for Kimbo Slice moved from -360 to pick today.

                                                                    Info I got from someone I follow on twitter hes legit !!! Kimbo should TKO Dada easy but based on the money laid on Dada everyone thinks the fight is fixed he can easily make more money off the fight by taking a Dive n taking a cut from the winnings !! I sprinkled some money on Dada only because of this if not I wouldnt have touched it !!
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                                                                    • JIBBBY
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                                                                      • 12-10-09
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                                                                      #35
                                                                      Originally posted by JoshKnows46
                                                                      I don't think it's rigged, I like the value. I couldn't pass up not adding more on kimbo at 185, if it's rigged, so be it, I'll take it on the chin..Gl tonight jibs.
                                                                      Well if you believe it's not rigged then you should win big with Kimbo.. Can't argue that point.. GL Josh....
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