UFC 195: Lawler vs. Condit (January 02, 2016)

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  • UncleChael
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    #211
    Andrei hasn't been knocked out in 5 years, my guess, Stipe takes the decison.
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    • JoshKnows46
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      #212
      Originally posted by UncleChael
      Andrei hasn't been knocked out in 5 years, my guess, Stipe takes the decison.
      That's how I believe it goes down as well.
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      • JIBBBY
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        #213
        Originally posted by UncleChael
        Andrei hasn't been knocked out in 5 years, my guess, Stipe takes the decison.
        Maybe??? Both fighters have been showing alot of respect for each other in the pre fight shows.. That usually means they will fight cautious early on... They might just tap dance around and try to box each other for a few rounds.. Then I think both of those chins have been cracked before and both of these guys are quick and athletic with KO power..

        Going by the numbers -

        Both have gone to a decision in 2 of their last 4 fights also.. http://www.sherdog.com/fighter/Andrei-Arlovski-270

        So it is like a 50/50 shot that this fight goes the distance if you are ONLY looking at current trends.. The odds on that prop are about 50/50 or even up as well...

        1103 Arlovski / Miocic goes 3 round distance <input id="editx" name="M1_31" size="4"> +115
        If you think Stipe gets the decision win Unc then GL...

        1111 Miocic wins by 3 round decision <input id="editx" name="M1_35" size="4"> +180
        Last edited by JIBBBY; 01-01-16, 04:49 PM.
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        • JoshKnows46
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          #214
          Originally posted by JIBBBY
          Maybe??? Both fighters have been showing alot of respect for each other in the pre fight shows.. That usually means they will fight cautious early on... They might just tap dance around and try to box each other for a few rounds.. Then I think both of those chins have been cracked before and both of these guys are quick and athletic with KO power..

          Going by the numbers -

          Both have gone to a decision in 2 of their last 4 fights also.. http://www.sherdog.com/fighter/Andrei-Arlovski-270

          So it is like a 50/50 shot that this fight goes the distance if you are ONLY looking at current trends.. The odds on that prop are about 50/50 or even up as well...

          1103 Arlovski / Miocic goes 3 round distance <input id="editx" name="M1_31" size="4"> +115
          If you think Stipe gets the decision win Unc then GL...

          1111 Miocic wins by 3 round decision <input id="editx" name="M1_35" size="4"> +180
          If i was to bet this fight it would be mirocic by decision, with a bet 1/3rd the size on arlowsi by ko +380, but i'm not confident enough in either outcome to make a play on this fight, but thats what i would do if i had to bet the fight.
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          • JIBBBY
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            #215
            Originally posted by JoshKnows46
            If i was to bet this fight it would be mirocic by decision, with a bet 1/3rd the size on arlowsi by ko +380, but i'm not confident enough in either outcome to make a play on this fight, but thats what i would do if i had to bet the fight.
            Maybe, I personally think AA has a real chance at winning the decision if it ever does go to the cards. Gotta remember AA is very athletic and active when fighting and I believe he can match the energy, pace and striking of Stipe on the point cards.. Remember AA is sparing with guys like Jon Jones on a regularly basis and hangs with them.. Coach Greg Jackson I'm sure has a plan for AA also..

            I wouldn't be so quick to rule out an AA decision unless Stipe is successfully mixing in alot of TD's round after round.. Very unlikely though as AA has never really been dominated and controlled on the ground that I can remember..

            On record - AA has won 4 out of his last 5 decision fights also.. Rumble officially got him by decision but most would say by KO..http://www.sherdog.com/fighter/Andrei-Arlovski-270

            1107 Arlovski wins by 3 round decision <input id="editx" name="M1_33" size="4"> +595
            Last edited by JIBBBY; 01-01-16, 06:35 PM.
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            • JoshKnows46
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              #216
              Originally posted by JIBBBY
              Maybe, I personally think AA has a real chance at winning the decision if it ever does go to the cards. Gotta remember AA is very athletic and active when fighting and I believe he can match the energy, pace and striking of Stipe on the point cards.. Remember AA is sparing with guys like Jon Jones on a regularly basis and hangs with them.. Coach Greg Jackson I'm sure has a plan for AA also..

              I wouldn't be so quick to rule out an AA decision unless Stipe is successfully mixing in alot of TD's round after round.. Very unlikely though as AA has never really been dominated and controlled on the ground that I can remember..

              On record - AA has won 4 out of his last 5 decision fights also.. Rumble officially got him by decision but most would say by KO..http://www.sherdog.com/fighter/Andrei-Arlovski-270

              1107 Arlovski wins by 3 round decision <input id="editx" name="M1_33" size="4"> +595
              stipe is just as active, if not more so, and very athetlic for a heavywieght, he makes it ugly with clitch work and takedowns, he wins a dec by not allowing andre to get off, and get comfortable in the stand-up by transitioning between striking and takedowns, the transitions are what wins this fight, and makes stipe the obvious favorite, the line was set perfectly accurate, very highly unikely andre wins a dec against stipe, he needs a ko to win this fight.
              Last edited by JoshKnows46; 01-01-16, 07:27 PM.
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              • THE_LOCKSMITH
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                #217
                Larkin wouldn't look Tumenov in the eyes at weigh ins...
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                • JIBBBY
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                  #218
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                  • JIBBBY
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                    #219
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                    • JIBBBY
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                      #220
                      Duffy really towered over DP is what I noticed.. Eeeeeks!!!
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                      • JoshKnows46
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                        #221
                        Originally posted by JIBBBY
                        Duffy really towered over DP is what I noticed.. Eeeeeks!!!
                        he had shoes on, poirior didn't, on a even footing, he's probable a inch-1.5 inches taller.
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                        • JIBBBY
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                          #222
                          Originally posted by JoshKnows46
                          he had shoes on, poirior didn't, on a even footing, he's probable a inch-1.5 inches taller.
                          Didn't notice that.. Thanks...Good eye Josh!!! I wasn't expecting to see that and was scratching my head??... lol..
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                          • JoshKnows46
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                            #223
                            Any thoughts on the chick fight, the favorite kish looked like a dope fien, looks like a terrible cut for her based on how she was moving around, i didn't look at this fight at all, becuase i'm not one to bet on women fights too often, but i'm gonna look into a play on the underdog possibly....westcott dwarfed garcia as well.
                            Last edited by JoshKnows46; 01-01-16, 08:33 PM.
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                            • Deceptakhan
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                              #224
                              Originally posted by THE_LOCKSMITH
                              Larkin wouldn't look Tumenov in the eyes at weigh ins...
                              Dude is shook up
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                              • JIBBBY
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                                #225
                                Originally posted by JoshKnows46
                                Any thoughts on the chick fight, the favorite nish looked like a dope fien, looks like a terrible cut for her based on how she was moving around, i didn't look at this fight at all, becuase i'm not one to bet on women fights too often, but i'm gonna look into a play on the underdog possibly....westcott dwarfed garcia as well.
                                I think it goes to decision myself.. A prop play in a parlay.. Don't trust these tiny chicks to do anything else but go to decision at the top UFC levels more times then not.... Will try this prop below as well just in case....



                                The write up on MMAmania so here is another opinion -

                                115 lbs.: Nina Ansaroff vs. Justine Kish
                                Nina Ansaroff (6-4) began her professional career 1-3, fighting the likes of Carla Esparza and Barb Honchak before rattling off five straight stoppage victories. Her Octagon debut saw her drop a decision to Juliana Lima, after which a last-second bout of the flu scrapped a planned fight with Rose Namajunas at UFC 187.
                                She has knocked out four of her six victims.
                                Four victories, the most impressive of them a mauling of Randa Markos, sent Justine Kish (4-0) to The Ultimate Fighter (TUF) 20 along with the rest of the Strawweight division’s elite. Unfortunately, a knee injury prevented her from competing, making this her first time in the cage since Jan. 2014.
                                Two of her victories are by submission.
                                The word of the day is "range." If the fight stays on the outside, Ansaroff’s superior movement, striking technique, and power will carry the day. If they engage at close range, Kish’s size and mauling clinchwork have the edge. It’s a toss up fight, but I’m leaning toward Ansaroff.
                                Kish has been out for almost two years at this point, suffered a knee injury, and doesn’t have the wrestling prowess that Lima used to defuse "The Strina." Though she can do some real damage once she gets going, the more likely outcome is that Ansaroff capitalizes on Kish’s lack of angles and puts her down with a counter midway through the match.

                                Prediction: Ansaroff via second-round technical knockout


                                1733 Ansaroff wins by TKO/KO <input id="editx" name="M1_166" size="4"> +925
                                Last edited by JIBBBY; 01-01-16, 08:29 PM.
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                                • JoshKnows46
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                                  #226
                                  Condits gonna kick lawlers head clean off, then jump on a sub for good measure.
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                                  • JoshKnows46
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                                    #227
                                    Originally posted by JIBBBY
                                    I think it goes to decision myself.. A play in a parlay.. Don't trust these tiny chicks to do anything else but go to decision at the top UFC levels more times then not.... Will try this prop below as well..



                                    The write up on MMAmania so here is another opinion -

                                    115 lbs.: Nina Ansaroff vs. Justine Kish
                                    Nina Ansaroff (6-4) began her professional career 1-3, fighting the likes of Carla Esparza and Barb Honchak before rattling off five straight stoppage victories. Her Octagon debut saw her drop a decision to Juliana Lima, after which a last-second bout of the flu scrapped a planned fight with Rose Namajunas at UFC 187.
                                    She has knocked out four of her six victims.
                                    Four victories, the most impressive of them a mauling of Randa Markos, sent Justine Kish (4-0) to The Ultimate Fighter (TUF) 20 along with the rest of the Strawweight division’s elite. Unfortunately, a knee injury prevented her from competing, making this her first time in the cage since Jan. 2014.
                                    Two of her victories are by submission.
                                    The word of the day is "range." If the fight stays on the outside, Ansaroff’s superior movement, striking technique, and power will carry the day. If they engage at close range, Kish’s size and mauling clinchwork have the edge. It’s a toss up fight, but I’m leaning toward Ansaroff.
                                    Kish has been out for almost two years at this point, suffered a knee injury, and doesn’t have the wrestling prowess that Lima used to defuse "The Strina." Though she can do some real damage once she gets going, the more likely outcome is that Ansaroff capitalizes on Kish’s lack of angles and puts her down with a counter midway through the match.

                                    Prediction: Ansaroff via second-round technical knockout


                                    1733 Ansaroff wins by TKO/KO <input id="editx" name="M1_166" size="4"> +925
                                    Thanks jibby, alot of good information to start with right there, appreciate it. so its been 2 years layoff for kish, and a bad weight cut, good start for a possible underdog bet, looks like it comes down to ansaroffs abitiy to defend the takedown?.....why is kish favored, anyone?
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                                    • JIBBBY
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                                      #228
                                      Originally posted by JoshKnows46
                                      Thanks jibby, alot of good information to start with right there, appreciate it. so its been 2 years layoff for kish, and a bad weight cut, good start for a possible underdog bet, looks like it comes down to ansaroffs abitiy to defend the takedown?.....why is kish favored, anyone?
                                      No prob.. Kish is favored because she is undefeated as a pro...


                                      Bleacher report.. I think this guy got it right IMO more likely then not...

                                      Justine Kish (4-0; 0-0 UFC) vs. Nina Ansaroff (6-4; 0-1 UFC)
                                      Strawweight strikers meet in an exciting clash. Kish was a dark-horse pick to win The Ultimate Fighter 20, but a devastating knee injury has kept her out of action for nearly two years since a win over Randa Markos in January 2014. Ansaroff strung together a nice streak on the regional scene, but lost her UFC debut to Juliana Lima last November.
                                      If Kish wins, as she's favored to do at minus-265, she immediately becomes one of the more exciting prospects at 115 pounds. For Ansaroff, a win would give her some relevance in an increasingly competitive division.
                                      Kish has legitimate muay thai credentials, and it shows in her game. She strings together slick combinations that she punctuates with hard low kicks. She has a lethal arsenal of knees and elbows in the clinch, where her size and physicality come into play.
                                      Ansaroff is an excellent athlete and is also a striker by trade. She throws vicious kicks, with a preference for the spinning back kick, and can hit potent punching combinations. Output is a problem, though, and her aggressiveness gets her in trouble.
                                      This favors Kish substantially. Ansaroff is the better athlete, but Kish is the more polished, diverse and active striker.

                                      Kish is the pick by decision.


                                      1707 Kish wins by 3 round decision <input id="editx" name="M1_153" size="4"> +105
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                                      • JoshKnows46
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                                        #229
                                        Originally posted by JIBBBY
                                        No prob.. Kish is favored because she is undefeated as a pro...


                                        Bleacher report.. I think this guy got it right IMO more likely then not...

                                        Justine Kish (4-0; 0-0 UFC) vs. Nina Ansaroff (6-4; 0-1 UFC)
                                        Strawweight strikers meet in an exciting clash. Kish was a dark-horse pick to win The Ultimate Fighter 20, but a devastating knee injury has kept her out of action for nearly two years since a win over Randa Markos in January 2014. Ansaroff strung together a nice streak on the regional scene, but lost her UFC debut to Juliana Lima last November.
                                        If Kish wins, as she's favored to do at minus-265, she immediately becomes one of the more exciting prospects at 115 pounds. For Ansaroff, a win would give her some relevance in an increasingly competitive division.
                                        Kish has legitimate muay thai credentials, and it shows in her game. She strings together slick combinations that she punctuates with hard low kicks. She has a lethal arsenal of knees and elbows in the clinch, where her size and physicality come into play.
                                        Ansaroff is an excellent athlete and is also a striker by trade. She throws vicious kicks, with a preference for the spinning back kick, and can hit potent punching combinations. Output is a problem, though, and her aggressiveness gets her in trouble.
                                        This favors Kish substantially. Ansaroff is the better athlete, but Kish is the more polished, diverse and active striker.

                                        Kish is the pick by decision.


                                        1707 Kish wins by 3 round decision <input id="editx" name="M1_153" size="4"> +105
                                        but small sample size against lower level comp, look at her opp compared to ansaroff's.
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                                        • JoshKnows46
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                                          #230
                                          the one positive i see for kisk, without watching any tape, just going off what your showing me, is she is a volume puncher and active, two things that would be negatively affected by a 2 year layoff and a bad weight cut.
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                                          • JIBBBY
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                                            #231
                                            Originally posted by JoshKnows46
                                            but small sample size against lower level comp, look at her opp compared to ansaroff's.
                                            Agreed Josh..

                                            I can't argue with anyone trying the dog straight in this one at +205.. Anaroff has 10 fights under her belt but best of all is she had won 5 straight before her last decision loss.. Sure she is gonna bring it in this fight for sure... http://www.sherdog.com/fighter/Nina-Ansaroff-69632

                                            I really just like it going the distance myself as I said in my first post on this fight..

                                            <small>UFC 195 - Strawweight 3 rounds - MGM Grand Garden Arena, Las Vegas, Nevada - FS1</small>
                                            Sat 1/2 1701 Justine Kish <input id="editx" name="M1_7" size="4"> -245 <input id="editx" name="L1_7" size="4"> o2½ -240
                                            8:30PM 1702 Nina Ansaroff <input id="editx" name="M2_7" size="4"> +205 <input id="editx" name="L2_7" size="4"> u2½ +200





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                                            • JoshKnows46
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                                              #232
                                              watching their fights now, ansaroff has a beautiful spinning back kick to the stomach, could drain the gas tank of Kisk, she throws heavy punches as well... watching the kisk/markos fight now, kisk looked much much bigger in that fight, i cant see her being that big tomo, gonna look at the wiegh in photos of that fight, but she looks fragile at weigh ins today. she honestly looks juiced in this markos fight. markos just letting her get off whatever she wants with nothing in return, just backing up all fight, believe ansarnoff will be more aggresive.
                                              Last edited by JoshKnows46; 01-01-16, 09:22 PM.
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                                              • JoshKnows46
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                                                #233
                                                Final card/My Updated Bets:
                                                Carlos Condit +110 Risking $2400
                                                Brian Ortega -220 Risking $900
                                                Albert Tumenov -200 Risking $1800
                                                Dustin Poirier +200 Risking $900
                                                Condit wins inside 5 rounds +295 $25 to win $73.75
                                                Condit wins in round 4 +2050 $25 to win $525.25
                                                Condit wins in round 5 +2850 $25 to win $712.50
                                                Tumenov wins by TKO/KO +110 $300 to win $330
                                                Poirier wins inside distance +434 $100 to win $434
                                                Poirier wins by ko/tko +600 $100 to win $600
                                                Nina Ansaroff +205 $200 to win $410

                                                Good Luck Everyone!! !!
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                                                • getlucky2win
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                                                  #234
                                                  lawler to win 20k lawler ko 1k
                                                  duffy to win 10k duffy itd 1k
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                                                  • JIBBBY
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                                                    #235
                                                    Originally posted by getlucky2win
                                                    lawler to win 20k lawler ko 1k
                                                    duffy to win 10k duffy itd 1k
                                                    Getlucky is posting pending on the Event thread!!!.. Holly crap!!!! This must be the new year..

                                                    Was thinking about hedging the Lawler KO prop earlier myself. Just wish the odds were like +600 as that would have made the decision alot easier....

                                                    1041 Lawler wins by TKO/KO <input id="checkboxx" name="M1_19" type="checkBox">+300
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                                                    • getlucky2win
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                                                      #236
                                                      got great seats for this event so had to make it interesting. also have miocic to win 5k and a buncha props throughout. i thnk ths card will be action packed and alot of finishes. great way to start the yr. gl fellas
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                                                      • Shagdogy
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                                                        #237
                                                        Anyone catch the countdown show for this event? For someone fighting at such a high level Stipe's camp seems seriously lacking. Does he have any highly regarded coaches or training partners that can push him? Looks like he's the only elite guy there. Meanwhile Arlovski has nothing but studs and solid coaching behind him. I can't remember such a big discrepancy in camps for two fighters in a number 1 contender bout. Definite edge for Arlovski. Doesn't mean I'm ready to say he beats Stipe though. Stipe is still a ridiculous athlete for the HW weight class.
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                                                        • getlucky2win
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                                                          #238
                                                          didnt u see rocky where that Russian had all the best training. that sht dont matter. miocic has enormous hog advantage. cant remember such a big discrepancy. the pitbull has no shot. stipe might retire him after this beatdown
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                                                          • Killer_Demo
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                                                            #239
                                                            Locked it in

                                                            Lawler -110
                                                            Arlovski +190.

                                                            Stipe is a good HW fighter but he's more of a volume-striker than a hard-hitter. I think Andre will land a big one in the clinch
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                                                            • BIGDAY
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                                                              #240
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                                                              • JIBBBY
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                                                                #241
                                                                Originally posted by Shagdogy
                                                                Anyone catch the countdown show for this event? For someone fighting at such a high level Stipe's camp seems seriously lacking. Does he have any highly regarded coaches or training partners that can push him? Looks like he's the only elite guy there. Meanwhile Arlovski has nothing but studs and solid coaching behind him. I can't remember such a big discrepancy in camps for two fighters in a number 1 contender bout. Definite edge for Arlovski. Doesn't mean I'm ready to say he beats Stipe though. Stipe is still a ridiculous athlete for the HW weight class.
                                                                Yep, lol.. Stipe was shown running up dirt gravel hills and basically rolling around in a garage like room with a few training partners.. Then they show AA training at a the most modern of gyms in Jackson/Wink and sparring with world class fighters..

                                                                Like GetLucky said it's like the Rocky 4 movie. AA is Drago and Stipe is Rocky...
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                                                                • Shagdogy
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                                                                  #242
                                                                  Originally posted by JIBBBY
                                                                  Yep, lol.. Stipe was shown running up dirt gravel hills and basically rolling around in a garage like room with a few training partners.. Then they show AA training at a the most modern of gyms in Jackson/Wink and sparring with world class fighters..

                                                                  Like GetLucky said it's like the Rocky 4 movie. AA is Drago and Stipe is Rocky...
                                                                  It was the pummeling drills and takedown/td defense drills they briefly showed that really got me. Looked like he was basically training up against 40 year old former HS wrestlers who showed up just to get in shape. Looks like he never really gets tested other than in the cage. I could be taking too much away from the show though.
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                                                                  • JIBBBY
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                                                                    #243
                                                                    Originally posted by Shagdogy
                                                                    It was the pummeling drills and takedown/td defense drills they briefly showed that really got me. Looked like he was basically training up against 40 year old former HS wrestlers who showed up just to get in shape. Looks like he never really gets tested other than in the cage. I could be taking too much away from the show though.
                                                                    Stipe I'm sure trains hard and works all areas of his game that we didn't get to see. I'm pretty sure he isn't doing the body regeneration techniques that AA is doing with all those deep freeze chamber sessions and what not though..

                                                                    AA is the older fighter by 3 years and at age 36 probably needs all the recovery parlor tricks he can get..

                                                                    AA better NOT throw those weak ass leg kicks and fight going backwards with his chin up against Stipe like he did against both brothers in Rumble and Brett Rogers..

                                                                    Last edited by JIBBBY; 01-02-16, 02:50 PM.
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                                                                    • JIBBBY
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                                                                      #244
                                                                      Originally posted by THE_LOCKSMITH
                                                                      Larkin wouldn't look Tumenov in the eyes at weigh ins...
                                                                      Larkin does that often at weigh ins.. This experienced brotha ain't afraid of no white boy Russian... Don't buy into it Locky..
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                                                                      • imadegen
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                                                                        #245
                                                                        war condit.
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