Titan Fighting Championship 31 (toninght 10/31)

**JIBBBY** · 10-31-14, 11:10 AM

Anyone think Miguel Torres at +165 can get it done tonight?

http://www.sherdog.com/fighter/Desmond-Green-89993 Thinking Torres by Sub perhaps if he doesn't get put to sleep first.....

Ricci misses weight by the way - http://www.sherdog.com/news/news/Tit...e-Affair-76509

**Jim_Gunn** · 10-31-14, 01:18 PM

The Ricci/Yoshida fight is off. They changed it to a three round non-title fight after Rici missed weight and it appears that today Yoshida backed out. Sucks because I had a Ricci + Green parlay which now becomes a single bet on Green for less payout of course. I don't see Miguel submitting Green and I think that's his most likely way to win. More likely he's getting outgrappled by the bigger stronger man, put on his back and loses a decision.

**JIBBBY** · 10-31-14, 03:24 PM

Originally posted by Jim_Gunn

I don't see Miguel submitting Green and I think that's his most likely way to win. More likely he's getting outgrappled by the bigger stronger man, put on his back and loses a decision.

I read ya Jim and I can't disagree with your logic - Still, Miguel Torres is a very good submission grappler off his back, that's his strength . http://www.sherdog.com/fighter/Miguel-Torres-3006 He's on a 3 fight win streak now and remember he was a top ranked fighter at one point.. Went the distance with guys like Mighty Mouse Johnson and other talents in the past.. While Green is the more physically strong fighter and will hold a solid wrestling advantage going in I'm finding it hard to bet on him at -205...

This is a massive step up in competition for Miguel Torres compared to his last 3 wins, his chin has let him down in the past as well.. I'm just thinking the 3 fight win streak may have restored his confidence and remember Green got choked out in his last fight..

I'm gonna try Miguel Torres for small at +160 myself.. Not confident though.. I just think he has a shot at a submission victory late in the fight if he's still around...

**JIBBBY** · 10-31-14, 03:26 PM

I also like Hassan, Stinson, and Hasegawa...

**Jim_Gunn** · 10-31-14, 03:32 PM

My other play other than Green is Stinson. I don't think that his fight with Figueroa will go past the first round.

**JIBBBY** · 10-31-14, 04:50 PM

Originally posted by Jim_Gunn

My other play other than Green is Stinson. I don't think that his fight with Figueroa will go past the first round.

Yep on Stinson.. Wish they had props up for this event..

**PunisherIND** · 10-31-14, 05:03 PM

Originally posted by JIBBBY

Yep on Stinson.. Wish they had props up for this event..

have you checked for props?

**NunyaBidness** · 10-31-14, 05:12 PM

Originally posted by PunisherIND

have you checked for props?

LOL. No chance they put up props for an event this small, weirdo.

PS What do you think of Green by dec +145?

MD · 10-31-14, 05:14 PM

Originally posted by NunyaBidness

LOL. No chance they put up props for an event this small, weirdo.

PS What do you think of Green by dec +145?

I'd hurry on that if you're taking it. I put a million dollars on it, so the line should theoretically move, if I've been reading Jim_Gunn's advanced gambling theory correctly.

**Jim_Gunn** · 10-31-14, 05:18 PM

Originally posted by MD

I'd hurry on that if you're taking it. I put a million dollars on it, so the line should theoretically move, if I've been reading Jim_Gunn's advanced gambling theory correctly.

I hear it only takes two hundred bucks to flip those lines around!

**NunyaBidness** · 10-31-14, 05:25 PM

Originally posted by Jim_Gunn

I hear it only takes two hundred bucks to flip those lines around!

Nah I just did it for less.

**JIBBBY** · 10-31-14, 05:53 PM

Originally posted by PunisherIND

have you checked for props?

When I checked this morning they weren't up.. They are now!!!! Brilliant.. Let the gambling begin!!!

Torres wins inside the distance +270

2 teamer below..

Thompson/Hasegawa fight does not go the distance -145
Hassan fight will not go the distance -210

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**JIBBBY** · 10-31-14, 06:14 PM

Originally posted by NunyaBidness

PS What do you think of Green by dec +145?

I think if Green is to win it's gonna be by KO/TKO.. Via pounding Torres out and into unconsciousness on the ground.. We see.....

**Jim_Gunn** · 10-31-14, 06:32 PM

Originally posted by NunyaBidness

Nah I just did it for less.

Torres is still the underdog. I recall that I put exactly $200 on Raphael Davis over Jason Brilz at +125 in a Titan FC card from May and that line didn't even budge at the time.

**NunyaBidness** · 10-31-14, 06:45 PM

Originally posted by Jim_Gunn

Torres is still the underdog. I recall that I put exactly $200 on Raphael Davis over Jason Brilz at +125 in a Titan FC card from May and that line didn't even budge at the time.

We were talking about the decision line which I moved from +145 to -120.

Your bets don't move lines. Books watch certain customers bets. It helps that they be winning.

**Jim_Gunn** · 10-31-14, 06:56 PM

Originally posted by NunyaBidness

We were talking about the decision line which I moved from +145 to -120.

Your bets don't move lines. Books watch certain customers bets. It helps that they be winning.

I'm sure the fact that the decision line was released only a few hours ago when all of a sudden many thousands of people had access to it and the fact that Green is a favorite and known as a fighter that often goes to decisions had nothing to do with that line movement.

**NunyaBidness** · 10-31-14, 07:05 PM

Originally posted by Jim_Gunn

I'm sure the fact that the decision line was released only a few hours ago when all of a sudden many thousands of people had access to it and the fact that Green is a favorite and known as a fighter that often goes to decisions had nothing to do with that line movement.

If you really think the MMA prop market is many thousands of people you're out of your mind.

Also, since you don't believe me, take me up on the bet, I'll go as high as you want. Should be super easy money for you.

**marzwoody** · 10-31-14, 07:40 PM

Bisping as fav please

**Jim_Gunn** · 10-31-14, 07:40 PM

Originally posted by NunyaBidness

If you really think the MMA prop market is many thousands of people you're out of your mind.

Also, since you don't believe me, take me up on the bet, I'll go as high as you want. Should be super easy money for you.

There isn't a way to determine what effect your bets would have on the line movement independent of the rest of the people betting it for the main event tonight, no matter whether it's dozens or hundreds of people or more betting that prop. I'm not surprised that a prop is more sensitive to movement though than a moneyline.

**JIBBBY** · 10-31-14, 08:14 PM

^^ Nuns you really don't think there are thousands of people all over the world and on the internet betting prop lines? Granted only a few bookies offer props but that would be even more reason for more people to hammer the props on these few online books no?

Another thing does one gambler like yourself have that much influence that the bookies are watching your every move even if they know who you are and are maxing out bets from time to time? I would think it's an over all volume thing that moves lines especially when the betting becomes completely one sided..

This is interesting stuff you guys are saying....

MD · 10-31-14, 08:42 PM

Originally posted by NunyaBidness

We were talking about the decision line which I moved from +145 to -120.

Your bets don't move lines. Books watch certain customers bets. It helps that they be winning.

There's no I in teaim.

**Jim_Gunn** · 10-31-14, 08:47 PM

My small time action on this card:

Titan FC 31 Risk $343.00

Desmond Green (-280) vs Miguel Torres $147.00 for $52.50
Matt Thompson (+145) vs Ken Hasegawa $40.00 for $58.00
Portela/Hassan won't go 3 round distance (-210) $84.00 for $40.00
Tyler Stinson (-180) vs Jose Figueroa $72.00 for $40.00

**JIBBBY** · 10-31-14, 09:44 PM

Stinson for the win.. Good deal Jim... I liked that match up alot.. I thought he would finish with those leg kicks though..

**Jim_Gunn** · 10-31-14, 09:57 PM

Yeah, I really sweated that one out as the announcer read that split decision!

**mirinquads** · 10-31-14, 10:17 PM

Anyone PM a stream for this?

**JIBBBY** · 10-31-14, 10:27 PM

The hulk with the KO early, just as planned.. Nice....

Miri - I'm on Directv.. Try the usual suspects.. ATDHE.com, Firstrow, etc..

**mirinquads** · 10-31-14, 10:28 PM

Thompson here

Thanks for the stream link Jibby you whore

**Jim_Gunn** · 10-31-14, 10:30 PM

Great knockout by Hassan. Dude has potential.

**JIBBBY** · 10-31-14, 10:34 PM

Going with the shorter undefeated Jap.. Thinking another early finish as well...

**mirinquads** · 10-31-14, 10:36 PM

They look like two highschool teachers.

**JIBBBY** · 10-31-14, 10:38 PM

Originally posted by mirinquads

Thompson here

Thanks for the stream link Jibby you whore

Spam...

**mirinquads** · 10-31-14, 10:49 PM

Okay Thompsons striking is a lot shittier than i thought, wow.

**mirinquads** · 10-31-14, 10:52 PM

This fight makes me sad

**JIBBBY** · 10-31-14, 10:58 PM

Hasegawa held on in that 3rd... No judge robbery please!!! Little surprised that went the distance though..

Fri 10/31	3101 Miguel Torres	<input id="editx" name="M1_0" size="4"> +165	<input id="editx" name="L1_0" size="4"> o2½ -170
11:30PM	3102 Desmond Green	<input id="editx" name="M2_0" size="4"> -205	<input id="editx" name="L2_0" size="4"> u2½ +140
<small>Titan FC 31 - Heavyweight 3 rounds - USF Sun Dome - Tampa, Florida - CBS Sports Network</small>
Fri 10/31	3201 Matt Thompson	<input id="editx" name="M1_1" size="4"> +140	<input id="editx" name="L1_1" size="4"> o1½ -205
11:00PM	3202 Ken Hasegawa	<input id="editx" name="M2_1" size="4"> -170	<input id="editx" name="L2_1" size="4"> u1½ +165
<small>Titan FC 31 - Welterweight 3 rounds - USF Sun Dome - Tampa, Florida - CBS Sports Network</small>
Fri 10/31	3301 Felipe Portela	<input id="editx" name="M1_2" size="4"> -120	<input id="editx" name="L1_2" size="4"> o1½ -155
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Fri 10/31	3401 Jose Figueroa	<input id="editx" name="M1_3" size="4"> +150	<input id="editx" name="L1_3" size="4"> o1½ -105
10:00PM	3402 Tyler Stinson	<input id="editx" name="M2_3" size="4"> -180	<input id="editx" name="L2_3" size="4">