UFC 178: Johnson vs. Cariaso (September 27, 2014)

[marzwoody]

-Ignoring MD . Bava: do you really think romero will not be able to take down Kennedy at all? or just not hold him there once he gets a TD? or that he should be worried about being taken down himself?
Ive seen some fairly elementary setups from Yoel to initiate his TDs, but I have also seem some amazing feats of strength, creativity and athleticism to toss his opponents to the mat. I think hes simply too big for Kennedy who admits to being a tweener between 170-185 himself. His suffocating style I don't think will work against Romero and I think he may get finished by a looping right. I dont think itll be a point fight for Yoel per se but hecould utilize a take down or two to keep things fresh

There both the same person brah

[Napes21]

There both the same person brah

Or do you mean Richard Walsh?

[MD]

There both the same person brah

Or do you mean "they're"?

[marzwoody]

Pat curran, aoki, and chandler are far from cans. Many would argue tht chandler is better than all the guys cerrone has faced since pettis

Then name two guys he has actually beat of worth.

[rocky16]

Then name two guys he has actually beat of worth.

Name two guys Jon Jones beat of worth before his title shot. Bro I hate when people use wiki records to predict fight. That's some downsie shit if you ask me.

[MD]

Then name two guys he has actually beat of worth.

You can get a pretty good gauge of someone's MMA acumen by taking a look at what they tend to put weight behind in their analysis. Record/level of competition must be taken into consideration, but with appropriate weight; they're not absolute, and on their own, they are relatively unimportant pieces of information. My $0.02.

[Vaughany]

Then name two guys he has actually beat of worth.

Hawn and alvarez.

Besides, thts not the point. How many guys "of worth" has Mcgregor beaten? How many did jones beat before he beat shogun? How many did pettis beat before he beat henderson the first time? You can only best who is put in front of you. Chandlers losses have been debateable split decision losses to will brooks and alvarez

[rocky16]

Eddie has better boxing. Cowboy has better muay Thai. I'd say Eddie is the faster fighter with better wrestling but cerrone owns the edge on the mat. Cowboy starts slow. If Eddie gets in and out and outboxes Donald in the first he is setting himself up to winthe fight. If he can't cowboy should win. That's what cuzzin Gabe has told me anyway.

[Vaughany]

Name two guys Jon Jones beat of worth before his title shot. Bro I hate when people use wiki records to predict fight. That's some downsie shit if you ask me.

Ha great minds think alike

[marzwoody]

Hawn and Alvarez? shit. better opponents then Edson Barboza and Jim Miller have faced. Donald should move to Bellator where the real action is.

[rocky16]

Ha great minds think alike

One thing always drives me crazy is when "mma fans" use the old "who has he beat" logic to debate fights. Shit is nonsense.

[marzwoody]

Your only as good as the competition you face. let me guess, you guys where bowing down to Fedor when he was crushing cans in japan?

[Vaughany]

Hawn and Alvarez? shit. better opponents then Edson Barboza and Jim Miller have faced. Donald should move to Bellator where the real action is.

I think u are confused marzy. We arent talkin about opponents who barboza and miller have faced. We are talkin about who cerrone has faced.

And If you think the jim miller tht faced cerrone is better than eddie alvarez then i dont know what to say

[marzwoody]

Hawn and alvarez.

Besides, thts not the point. How many guys "of worth" has Mcgregor beaten? How many did jones beat before he beat shogun? How many did pettis beat before he beat henderson the first time? You can only best who is put in front of you. Chandlers losses have been debateable split decision losses to will brooks and alvarez

And theres a reason i don't have a single bet on Conor.

[rocky16]

Pettis and cerrone? shit. better opponents than clay guida and Jim Miller have faced. Bendo should move to WEC where the real action is.

Yeah.

[Bava]

-Ignoring MD . Bava: do you really think romero will not be able to take down Kennedy at all? or just not hold him there once he gets a TD? or that he should be worried about being taken down himself?
Ive seen some fairly elementary setups from Yoel to initiate his TDs, but I have also seem some amazing feats of strength, creativity and athleticism to toss his opponents to the mat. I think hes simply too big for Kennedy who admits to being a tweener between 170-185 himself. His suffocating style I don't think will work against Romero and I think he may get finished by a looping right. I dont think itll be a point fight for Yoel per se but hecould utilize a take down or two to keep things fresh

My pick is actually Romero, although I'm not as confident as I was before reviewing his fights again. He should definitely be worried about being taken down- Kennedy has demonstrated much better MMA wrestling, better transitions, and a suffocating top game. But Romero has showed great improvement here in his last fight, and I think he's still getting a bad rap because of the Brunson fight. My biggest concern is that his fighting style and method of energy conservation (slow, slow, slow, FAST), particularly in the later rounds, won't work well against Kennedy's relentless pressure...

[rocky16]

Your only as good as the competition you face. let me guess, you guys where bowing down to Fedor when he was crushing cans in japan?

Marzy pal did you say these same things when benson Henderson came over to UFC?

[PunisherIND]

Your only as good as the competition you face. let me guess, you guys where bowing down to Fedor when he was crushing cans in japan?

lol. will defer and let sider reply to this.

[marzwoody]

I think u are confused marzy. We arent talkin about opponents who barboza and miller have faced. We are talkin about who cerrone has faced.

And If you think the jim miller tht faced cerrone is better than eddie alvarez then i dont know what to say

Watched Alvarez vs Chandler looked like bum fights.

Yeah i'm sure hes a good fighter, im not seeing it. not seeing greatness in him. if he beats Donald it will be by Dec.

All the factors are in Cerrone's favour for this fight. he just needs to execute.

[Bava]

Your only as good as the competition you face. let me guess, you guys where bowing down to Fedor when he was crushing cans in japan?

Yup

[Vaughany]

Watched Alvarez vs Chandler looked like bum fights.

Yeah i'm sure hes a good fighter, im not seeing it. not seeing greatness in him. if he beats Donald it will be by Dec.

All the factors are in Cerrone's favour for this fight. he just needs to execute.

I dont necessarily disagree with this...is often the case with cerrone. I wasnt arguing tht alvarez will dominate him or finish him or even beat him...was simply arguing tht he is far from a can and definitely not inferior to guys cerronay has recently beaten

[rocky16]

And theres a reason i don't have a single bet on Conor.

These are the times to make cash on these fights before public figures out a fighter is a stud. Remember when Jones was -160 vs Bonnar. Or Weidman was plus odds vs Silva. Or -140 vs Maia. Shit now Weidman is -450 vs Belfort. I made some serious bit coins on those fighters before the public stroked off to them and missed the boat.

[marzwoody]

Marzy pal did you say these same things when benson Henderson came over to UFC?

The point is Rocko unless you fight the best like Cerrone has been your the king of turd mountain lol. Alvarez might be the best LW fighter or he might be a fighter who's better then sub par fighterz.

[MD]

In the RDA fight, Cerrone gets hurt badly early and is on bottom for the remainder of the first round; in the second round, he throws pretty much no strikes whatsoever, presumably because he was worried about being caught again. He had an even worse performance than I remember, looked like he didn't belong out there, but it's difficult to take much from it.

[Vaughany]

Marzy pal did you say these same things when benson Henderson came over to UFC?

WEC was Way before his time son

[rocky16]

The point is Rocko unless you fight the best like Cerrone has been your the king of turd mountain lol. Alvarez might be the best LW fighter or he might be a fighter who's better then sub par fighterz.

Its of my opinion that chandler and Alvarez and even will brooks are all studs. And this is coming from a stud so its an educated opinion.

[Vaughany]

My pick is actually Romero, although I'm not as confident as I was before reviewing his fights again. He should definitely be worried about being taken down- Kennedy has demonstrated much better MMA wrestling, better transitions, and a suffocating top game. But Romero has showed great improvement here in his last fight, and I think he's still getting a bad rap because of the Brunson fight. My biggest concern is that his fighting style and method of energy conservation (slow, slow, slow, FAST), particularly in the later rounds, won't work well against Kennedy's relentless pressure...

Tht was tavares tho wasnt it? Tavares struggled to take kong watson down!

[rocky16]

WEC was Way before his time son

WEC Brittany Palmer>UFC Brittany Palmer.

[Vaughany]

WEC Brittany Palmer>UFC Brittany Palmer.

No doubt.

please dont bring tht up tho, as ive said before it always brings a tear to my eye.

[Vaughany]

Its of my opinion that chandler and Alvarez and even will brooks are all studs. And this is coming from a stud so its an educated opinion.

Stud-certified

[rocky16]

Tht was tavares tho wasnt it? Tavares struggled to take kong watson down!

Funny to me that some dismiss Alvarez because of his comp and say Donald has fought better comp but Romero will decimate Kennedy. Wonder if we can utilize same logic for this fight as Alvarez vs cerrone? Maybe pal.

[Vaughany]

In the RDA fight, Cerrone gets hurt badly early and is on bottom for the remainder of the first round; in the second round, he throws pretty much no strikes whatsoever, presumably because he was worried about being caught again. He had an even worse performance than I remember, looked like he didn't belong out there, but it's difficult to take much from it.

Indeed, i dont think it is unreasonable to say tht live-betting is the only way to go with cerrone fights

[Vaughany]

Funny to me that some dismiss Alvarez because of his comp and say Donald has fought better comp but Romero will decimate Kennedy. Wonder if we can utilize same logic for this fight as Alvarez vs cerrone? Maybe pal.

When it suits bro, when it suits

[MD]

Its of my opinion that chandler and Alvarez and even will brooks are all studs. And this is coming from a stud so its an educated opinion.

Brooks will be better than those two soon, if he isn't already. Kid is an animal, and one of the most profitable fighters to bet on for me.

[Vaughany]

Brooks will be better than those two soon, if he isn't already. Kid is an animal, and one of the most profitable fighters to bet on for me.

You wanna suck his black dong tho dont u so you would say tht.

i agree entirely nonetheless