UFC 174: Johnson vs. Bagautinov (june 14, 2014)

[Ron_Paul_2012]

woodley gon make rory put the lotion in the basket.

[Vaughany]

Big Brown final preparations before choking this chickenhead out

[Vaughany]

[Skel]

Why is Schaub's nickname Big Brown?

[Vaughany]

Why is Schaub's nickname Big Brown?

cos Bryan Callen and podcast followers started callin him it based on the fact that he is big and brown (tanned)!

[begood2]

Why is Schaub's nickname Big Brown?

because he likes anal sex

[Ron_Paul_2012]

Why is Schaub's nickname Big Brown?

Because he has a feces fetish.

[JIBBBY]

How can a guy be due for a big win?

Fighting a bunch of tough fighters recently, he then came up a little short in some of these fights, his last fight went the distance in a close decision loss.. He now faces a fighter that is probably not as good as the latest fighters he has faced and lost too..

His UFC career is now on the line perhaps in this fight, win or go home stuff... Trained up, determined and ready for this one he will be..

He's also trending in a win one, then lose one fight streak.. If that continues he will rebound again and win this fight...

http://www.sherdog.com/fighter/Tae-Hyun-Bang-23167

When weighing in all these little factors this makes him DUE for a big win perhaps...


Johnson is not as good as his record indicates in my opinion.. He's faced and beat a bunch of bums recently..http://www.sherdog.com/fighter/Kajan-Johnson-5615... His biggest win is probably against the big headed target in Ryan Healy.. Whooopie..

Bang at +150 is pretty good value....

[MD]

Fighting a bunch of tough fighters recently, he then came up a little short in some of these fights, his last fight went the distance in a close decision loss.. He now faces a fighter that is probably not as good as the latest fighters he has faced and lost too..

His UFC career is now on the line perhaps in this fight, win or go home stuff... Trained up, determined and ready for this one he will be..

He's also trending in a win one, then lose one fight streak.. If that continues he will rebound again and win this fight...

http://www.sherdog.com/fighter/Tae-Hyun-Bang-23167

When weighing in all these little factors this makes him DUE for a big win perhaps...


Johnson is not as good as his record indicates in my opinion.. He's faced and beat a bunch of bums recently..http://www.sherdog.com/fighter/Kajan-Johnson-5615... His biggest win is probably against the big headed target in Ryan Healy.. Whooopie..

Bang at +150 is pretty good value....

Oh God.

[JIBBBY]

Oh God.

What's your view and opinion on this fight MD? Oh God isn't fighting on the card I don't think.....

[MD]

What's your view and opinion on this fight MD? Oh God isn't fighting on the card I don't think.....

Sticking to the facts as always I see.

[JIBBBY]

Sticking to the facts as always I see.

No opinion as usual on the fight MD.. Also a man of not many words either in your posts..

Come on pal you can do better then that!!! Bring something to the table as I know you can in your posts.. Who is your big bet on this card, whom do you like as a dog play? I obviously like Bang as a dog play myself...


No MMA fights tonight to bet on. This is most disturbing!!! LOL...

[Jim_Gunn]

Legacy 31 is on right now if you really felt like betting on MMA tonight.

[Wilbo86]

What's your view and opinion on this fight MD? Oh God isn't fighting on the card I don't think.....

Alright jibbster, I appreciate ya attitude so I'll give it a try.

Everything you mentioned there has no bearing on the potential outcome of a given fight. A fight's outcome is purely determined by how the fighters matchup skill for skill, technique for technique and physical attribute for physical attribute. Records, wins and losses etc only have a bearing in so far as what they can tell you about the aforementioned matchup and the fighter's attributes.

I.e. patterns in records have zero bearing, zilch, Nada on future performance.

Hopefully they didn't come across as too obvious and condescending, wasn't intended that way.

[marzwoody]

First instinct of the rory / woodley fight was that rory, was gonna win. i find first instincts go a long way in betting on MMA as your not influenced by others opinions / the odds in any way. but of course woodley is dangerous and anything can happen.

[Vaughany]

Alright jibbster, I appreciate ya attitude so I'll give it a try.

Everything you mentioned there has no bearing on the potential outcome of a given fight. A fight's outcome is purely determined by how the fighters matchup skill for skill, technique for technique and physical attribute for physical attribute. Records, wins and losses etc only have a bearing in so far as what they can tell you about the aforementioned matchup and the fighter's attributes.

I.e. patterns in records have zero bearing, zilch, Nada on future performance.

Hopefully they didn't come across as too obvious and condescending, wasn't intended that way.

But but, he has trained hard for this fight so is due a big win!

[Jim_Gunn]

UFC 174 Risk: $1073.25

Demetrious Johnson/Ali Bagautinov Under 4½ (+145) $35.00 for $50.75
Johnson wins in round 4 (+1175) $10.00 for $117.50
Johnson wins in round 5 (+1575*) $10.00 for $157.50
Tyron Woodley (-135) vs Rory MacDonald $67.50 for $50.00
Woodley wins by 3 round decision (+190) $20.00 for $38.00
Rafael Cavalcante (+120) vs Ryan Bader $50.00 for $60.00
Cavalcante wins by TKO/KO (+225) $10.00 for $22.50
Rafael Cavalcante/Ryan Bader Over 1½ rounds (-125) $31.35 for $25.00
Brendan Schaub (-140) vs Andrei Arlovski $70.00 for $50.00
Schaub wins by 3 round decision (+363) $15.00 for $54.45
Ryan Jimmo (+125) vs Ovince St. Preux $60.00 for $75.00
Jimmo wins by TKO/KO (+725) vs $5.00 for $36.25
St. Preux wins by 3 round decision (+262) $25.00 for $65.50
Ryan Jimmo/Ovince St. Preux Under 2½ (+150) $35.00 for $52.50

Valerie Letourneau (-105) vs Elizabeth Phillips $26.25 for $25.00
Letourneau points handicap +3½ (-180) vs Elizabeth Phillips $90.00 for $50.00
Letourneau wins by TKO/KO (+705) $10.00 for $70.50
Letourneau wins in round 1 (+1100) $5.00 for $55.00
Elizabeth Phillips/Valerie Letourneau Over 2½ (-230) $115.00 for $50.00
Mike Easton (-185) vs Yves Jabouin $92.50 for $50.00
Kajan Johnson (-170) vs Tae Hyun Bang $42.50 for $25.00

Roland Delorme (+105) vs Michinori Tanaka $25.00 for $26.25
Jason Saggo (-110) vs Josh Shockley $27.50 for $25.00
Saggo wins by submission (+205) $10.00 for $20.50


Parlays:
Demetrious Johnson (-578) + Daniel Sarafian (-360) $100.50 for $50.13
Demetrious Johnson (-578) + Daniel Sarafian (-360) + Mike Easton (-185) $50.00 for $65.45
Mike Easton (-185) + Kajan Johnson (-165) $35.00 for $51.60

[Vaughany]

Momma Woodley makes an appearance in this embedded ep!...

http://m.youtube.com/watch?v=iuQP1hC8EyY

[gabe]

@TheCalculator

What are your thoughts on Bader at the weigh-ins? Didn't look half as muscular as in his previous fights. Don't recall exactly what he looked like against Perosh, but he was completely jacked against Teixeira. Looks nothing like that now.

[Ron_Paul_2012]

@TheCalculator

What are your thoughts on Bader at the weigh-ins? Didn't look half as muscular as in his previous fights. Don't recall exactly what he looked like against Perosh, but he was completely jacked against Teixeira. Looks nothing like that now.

Just a wild guess. But I suspect the reason he came in a little lighter than usual is because he wants to test Feijao's cardio.

[JIBBBY]

Alright jibbster, I appreciate ya attitude so I'll give it a try.

Everything you mentioned there has no bearing on the potential outcome of a given fight. A fight's outcome is purely determined by how the fighters matchup skill for skill, technique for technique and physical attribute for physical attribute. Records, wins and losses etc only have a bearing in so far as what they can tell you about the aforementioned matchup and the fighter's attributes.

I.e. patterns in records have zero bearing, zilch, Nada on future performance.

Hopefully they didn't come across as too obvious and condescending, wasn't intended that way.

That's the spirit of constructive posting.

I agree with most of what you said Wilbo but I gotta disagree with you on a few of your points.. Patterns in records is a trend, it tells you little things like how a fighter typically responds after a loss, it tells you if a fighter is fighting confident or not, and lengthy win or loss streaks I think are also indicators of possible things to come..

So I mention these trends, records, and or fight win and loss streaks in posts (with Wiki and Sherdog) to just ad information to consider.. Just more pieces to the puzzle to ponder on...

Thinking of the 2 style match ups, how a fighter looked in his last fight, training camp preparations, etc are more important for sure..

[JIBBBY]

So it's finally on an popping today!!!

Just 3 hours away from the early prelims.... I gotta be honest as I think this is one of the tougher PPV cards to pick and bet on.. Gonna roll the dice though as always......

Wish all you fools good luck, stack those chips I say and just win baby!!!!!!!!

[Vaughany]

My pickz:

bitch with cooler name by decision
random korean ive never heard of. I heard he's been focussed in training tho and is due a win
delorme
shockley
easton
Sarafian
osp
schaub
bader
twood
MM

[UncleChael]

Shaub will get pull out!

[Vaughany]

yo, lose my number bro

[gabe]

If Schaub loses, how many "Lose my number, bro." tweets you think he gets? lol

@RonPaul, I wasn't referring to Bader being light in weight, I was referring to him not looking like a body-builder anymore... Practically went from a Cheick Kongo/Todd Duffee body to a Junior Dos Santos/Stipe Miocic body, to use heavyweights for an example.

[Vaughany]

He'll get at least 25 from me alone!

[JIBBBY]

First 2 fights -

Going with Jason Saggo, probably win by arm bar submission is my best guess... Under rounds bet too..



Also like the slight underdog in Roland Dolorme, he's been fighting much tougher comp in the UFC for a while now, and while this new comer in Tanaka is still undefeated at 9-0 he hasn't fought at this level of competition yet.. Liking Dolorme's chances in this one!!

Would have loaded up on this fight if Tanaka wasn't undefeated.. Hate betting against undefeated fighters...

http://www.sherdog.com/fighter/Roland-Delorme-37351

http://www.sherdog.com/fighter/Michinori-Tanaka-71942

[Keyboard Warrior]

I remember threads like this had 10-15 pages before the event started. Crazy how fast mma is dying. this is a ppv. lel.

[Vaughany]

First 2 fights -

Going with Jason Saggo, probably win by arm bar submission is my best guess... Under rounds bet too..

http://www.ufc.com/fighter/Jason-Saggo

Also like the slight underdog in Roland Dolorme, he's been fighting much tougher comp in the UFC for a while now, and while this new comer in Tanaka is still undefeated at 9-0 he hasn't fought at this level of competition yet.. Liking Dolorme's chances in this one!!!

http://www.sherdog.com/fighter/Roland-Delorme-37351

http://www.sherdog.com/fighter/Michinori-Tanaka-71942

I heard tanaka is motivated and has trained hard for this one tho

[JIBBBY]

I heard tanaka is motivated and has trained hard for this one tho

.. LOL.. That's why you bet on Delorme... Funny guy you are Vaughaneeeeey.. I heard you were training hard tho...

[Educ8d Degener8]

If Schaub loses, how many "Lose my number, bro." tweets you think he gets? lol

@RonPaul, I wasn't referring to Bader being light in weight, I was referring to him not looking like a body-builder anymore... Practically went from a Cheick Kongo/Todd Duffee body to a Junior Dos Santos/Stipe Miocic body, to use heavyweights for an example.

Cousin, I think what RP meant is that Bader has focused less on the "for-show beach" beach muscles and focused more on cardio training to gain a cardio edge on Feijao. Bader's typical Herculean frame requires a lot of O2 in the gas tank, so he may have focused on cardio and less strength training which would lead to some potential muscle atrophy... and this may not be a bad thing.

Think Nick Diaz. Looks like your average joe, but does all that marathon sh*t and can maintain a crazy pace into deep rounds.

[Ron_Paul_2012]

Cousin, I think what RP meant is that Bader has focused less on the "for-show beach" beach muscles and focused more on cardio training to gain a cardio edge on Feijao. Bader's typical Herculean frame requires a lot of O2 in the gas tank, so he may have focused on cardio and less strength training which would lead to some potential muscle atrophy... and this may not be a bad thing.

Think Nick Diaz. Looks like your average joe, but does all that marathon sh*t and can maintain a crazy pace into deep rounds.

[Ron_Paul_2012]

3 minutes till fight time!!!!

[Kermit]

Can't wait to see The Pit Bull back in the octagon.