Ufc 96

**Bread** · 02-23-09, 03:10 PM

Nice looking card. Although all the fights on UFC 95 were pretty damn entertaining. Lots of brutal KO's.

**The HOFF** · 02-23-09, 03:59 PM

I think I am on the same side on all of those fights except for Grove, and Sell/Brown. But who gives a shit about that fight? Why is that on the main card???

All is not lost this weekend... WEC on Sunday.

**THE_LOCKSMITH** · 02-23-09, 04:32 PM

Yea this is a weaker card. Vera a untelevised fight, if this guy dosn't put on a good showing he's gonna get cut. Vera is one of the few fighters getting 100K+ per fight. Not gonna pay that kinda cash for a dark match fighter

**Bread** · 02-23-09, 05:26 PM

I still want to touch Vera's wife.

**shady610** · 02-23-09, 11:16 PM

still debating if i want to buy this one but the main event does intrigue me

**j0hnnyv** · 02-23-09, 11:18 PM

cant wait for rampage. i think he should beat jardine easy but jardine is very interesting. has the most awkward style at 205 and has some impressive victories to his name over the likes of liddell, forest, and brandon vera in his last fight. but he got absolutely destroyed by wanderlei in 36seconds in may. brutal defeat. and we saw what rampage finally did to wandy, KTFO.

im gonna end up laying the number with rampage. cant go against him here.

**brooks85** · 02-24-09, 11:50 AM

I think its going to be a good fight and Jardine has Greg jackson so that right there is scary. But, he is facing a better opponent and Jardine is not one to stick to gameplans.

**vassman86** · 03-02-09, 02:19 PM

Brandon Vera vs Michael Patt

Now, let's make it clear: I'm not a fan of Brandon Vera. He doesn't deserve to be fighting in the UFC. His recent performances are comparable to Gurgel; lackluster, boring, never-want-to-see-his-face-again type of fighter.

Vera is not the promising fighter that we saw early on in his career. He needs to get back into the win column, and clearly the UFC wants to make it easy for him.

Michael Patt comes in as a +300 to +400 underdog. And, to me, this screams value. You can't always judge a fight by it's numbers as many people found out with Koscheck at the previous UFC.

Michael Patt +whatever

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Gonzaga vs Carwin

This is a great match-up. Carwin is a big heavyweight and will be a true test for Gonzaga.
Carwin comes in as a 260lb heavyweight, whereas Gonzaga comes in at 240lbs.
Carwin is a great wrestler, and Gonzaga is a BJJ BB.
The way I see this fight transpiring, both fighters will be comfortable on their feet and will probably trade punches for the majority of the first round.
With the size and wrestling advantage, Carwin will probably be able to take this fight to the ground when he wants to, although Gonzaga will be more than willing to attempt submissions from his back.
The problem for Gonzaga is that Carwin is the bigger fighter, and when you have a bigger, stronger fighter on top of you, you expend a lot of energy defending yourself.

Don't get me wrong, Gonzaga is more than a worthy fighter, and at odds of -170 I'd gladly jump on the boat. But Carwin is no slouch, and I see value taking him at +145. Nevertheless, it should be a real good fight to watch.

Shane Carwin +145

**Skanless1** · 03-03-09, 01:22 AM

Originally posted by brooks85

well i definitely have to make up for that shit show ufc 95. We only have to wait two weeks between ufc fights this year but they are slowest two weeks ever. UFC 95 brought me back to reality. UFC 96 so far(looking at available videos)

Rampage over jardine
Carwin over gonzaga
brown over sell(as of now, ugly fight)
Hamill over Munoz
Maynard over miller
McCrory over madigan
Day over grove (who gets KO'd first???)
boetsch over brilz
vera over patt
riley over nelson

Looking toward bets on rampage, maynard, mccrory, and vera.

Disagree on carwin/brown/grove fights.

**brooks85** · 03-03-09, 05:23 PM

I dont see what GG can bring that will beat carwin. And disagreeing with Brown and Day is like disagreeing that heads will be the next coin flip. Imo both fights are 50/50. Especially day and grove, both will come out swinging, first too land will be sleeping, you cant train for a better chin. They both have good jitsu so I wouldnt expect for it to go too the ground. Brown and sell are just plain sloppyfighters. I mean they cut Clementi but we have to watch these guys?? I understand KO's are entertaining for the crowd but Id rather see more talent around. I definitely just dont trust those 4 guys enough to put money on them.

**brooks85** · 03-03-09, 11:23 PM

anyone find info on grove's training recently? Day is coming of an elbow surgery I just read about.

**brooks85** · 03-03-09, 11:37 PM

ya i think i will place some on carwin. More i see his videos, i personally think the +odds are too good to pass up.

**brooks85** · 03-03-09, 11:40 PM

i want to find some more video on vera's training, he has said "i performed bad because he let the fame get too him, I stop training as hard..", basically the BJ Penn excuse. He know says he is training harder, which through other sources "he is", but Id like to find some more video of it.

**brooks85** · 03-03-09, 11:45 PM

Vera has said he stepped up his training, which i have ever reason to believe from what ive read, but i would like to see video. Let me know if anyone finds any. Vera claims the bj penn excuse "i let the fame get to my head and stopped training as hard.." which i can believe. Vera, imo, is top notch make no mistake about it. Patt is a bjj guy, with all but 1 win coming from submission. His odds on submitting vera are extremely low. If vera returns to the old, he will crush patt. and if he comes out unchanged, he will decision him.

**brooks85** · 03-06-09, 03:03 PM

Just got back from the arnold expo in town(where ufc 96 will be tom night.) Good stuff. So far Ive locked in rampage wins inside the distance -146 and Carwin +145. and for fun if it is a night of upsets
jardine
carwin
munoz
miller
vera 10 to win 610

**brooks85** · 03-06-09, 04:30 PM

i forgot about these monster parlays at 5dimes so for shits n giggles, 8 team 14 pt teaser

Orlando +4.5
cavs +15.5
Bos +12.5
Sa +2
Den +23
LA -1
Notre Dame +2.5
College of Charleston +1

risking 1/5unit ($10) to win $5. Just doing these for fun. curious to see what happens.

**brooks85** · 03-07-09, 11:39 AM

k parlay is on for tonight.
CAVS
Dallas
Rampage
Aoki (dream event, starts 1 am) 1/.95 odds

**brooks85** · 03-07-09, 11:41 AM

also going to do something with carwin/zaga goes the distance +500

**Bread** · 03-07-09, 11:42 AM

brooks, how many parlays do you have going? I'm gonna throw Vera in some to bolster payouts. He's a sure deal.

**Bread** · 03-07-09, 11:42 AM

I like Hammill-Filipino Guy going the distance at +170. A lot.

**Skanless1** · 03-07-09, 11:46 AM

Originally posted by brooks85

I dont see what GG can bring that will beat carwin. And disagreeing with Brown and Day is like disagreeing that heads will be the next coin flip. Imo both fights are 50/50. Especially day and grove, both will come out swinging, first too land will be sleeping, you cant train for a better chin. They both have good jitsu so I wouldnt expect for it to go too the ground. Brown and sell are just plain sloppyfighters. I mean they cut Clementi but we have to watch these guys?? I understand KO's are entertaining for the crowd but Id rather see more talent around. I definitely just dont trust those 4 guys enough to put money on them.

WHOOPS, my bad.. i agree that carwin has a shot vs gonzaga and is a good value.

i think munoz gives hamill a run for his money.

grove wins too.

**Bread** · 03-07-09, 11:47 AM

Carwin has a roid-induced asthma attack in the 2nd. Gets KO'd.

You heard it here first.

**brooks85** · 03-07-09, 12:55 PM

haha

seriously tho, how does he pass a drug test

i just got those two parlays going so far. Depending how my early games go today(i got pitt and butler teased), I am thinking aoki, vera, page inside distance -148 and possibly carwin for the plus money.

**Bread** · 03-07-09, 01:07 PM

Tell me Carwin isn't the ultimate roid head! How he passes, I have no clue. Probably same way Frank Thomas does

**brooks85** · 03-07-09, 01:32 PM

I think the undercard is pretty evenly matched so I am going to make this a parlay later today in some variation

page
carwin
hamill
maynard
vera
britz
nelson
madigan
224.48/1 odds!!!! i will more than likely cut the odds down some. nelson and madigans fights are up in the air to me. Going to watch some more video.

**The HOFF** · 03-07-09, 04:21 PM

Originally posted by brooks85

seriously tho, how does he pass a drug test

**brooks85** · 03-07-09, 08:44 PM

SPOILER ALERT!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Well riley got the win, apparently, it was stopped early according to the crowd. Vera chalked up a W also.

**brooks85** · 03-07-09, 08:46 PM

ugg sounds like brilz is about to ruin the parlay early. The description of round 1 did not sound very good.

**brooks85** · 03-07-09, 09:01 PM

jackets up 6-1 on the red wings, brilz keeps the big city dreamn alive and i found my last zig-zag paper behind a desk --- HOT STREAK

**brooks85** · 03-07-09, 09:01 PM

oo make that 7-1

**brooks85** · 03-07-09, 09:43 PM

k well dream is over, madigan lost. I spent about an hour today on this fight alone, on which side to put in the parlay. Still early, but if this is the only lost i am going to put my cat in an anaconda choke.

**TheGovernor11** · 03-07-09, 09:53 PM

If you can put your cat in an anaconda choke, that'd be impressive.

**brooks85** · 03-07-09, 09:59 PM

ill put it on sbrtv

**TheGovernor11** · 03-07-09, 10:02 PM

Haha almost makes me want to root for Carwin and Hamill