UFC 168: Weidman Vs Silva 2 (December 28, 2013)

[eligibletackle]

Browne @ +170?





I like Barnett but his recent/relevant Ws have come to fighters w/ a fairly glaring weakness - like no ground game or being allergic to punches like Mir. Even if DC didn't ragdoll Barnett for 25 minutes - it was clear how Barnett fares against an athletic & agile HW. I think the main argument for Barnett, that his strength is Browne's 'weakness', is ridiculously near-sighted. No Greg Jackson fighter is above outpointing somebody in Bisping-esque fashion for a decision W. Haven't seen enough evidence on Browne to be convinced Barnett could take him down at whim.

Browne has been deemed tackle-eligible on this play, gents. Make sure to cover the big man or you might get burned!

[Bumdeal]

Browne @ +170?





I like Barnett but his recent/relevant Ws have come to fighters w/ a fairly glaring weakness - like no ground game or being allergic to punches like Mir. Even if DC didn't ragdoll Barnett for 25 minutes - it was clear how Barnett fares against an athletic & agile HW. I think the main argument for Barnett, that his strength is Browne's 'weakness', is ridiculously near-sighted. No Greg Jackson fighter is above outpointing somebody in Bisping-esque fashion for a decision W. Haven't seen enough evidence on Browne to be convinced Barnett could take him down at whim.

Browne has been deemed tackle-eligible on this play, gents. Make sure to cover the big man or you might get burned!

i agree. Coin flip IMO so why not go with the underdog.

being ragdolled by DC is nothing to be ashamed of though.

Barnett is an extremely well rounded and experienced fighter. I doubt he will give Browne a lot of room to work his strikes, will try to keep the pressure and get his td / GNP on. Can Browne create space and stay vertical? Maybe.

[Ron_Paul_2012]

Browne @ +170?





I like Barnett but his recent/relevant Ws have come to fighters w/ a fairly glaring weakness - like no ground game or being allergic to punches like Mir. Even if DC didn't ragdoll Barnett for 25 minutes - it was clear how Barnett fares against an athletic & agile HW. I think the main argument for Barnett, that his strength is Browne's 'weakness', is ridiculously near-sighted. No Greg Jackson fighter is above outpointing somebody in Bisping-esque fashion for a decision W. Haven't seen enough evidence on Browne to be convinced Barnett could take him down at whim.

Browne has been deemed tackle-eligible on this play, gents. Make sure to cover the big man or you might get burned!

What?! How dare you go against The War Master! Josh-E Barnett-O is going to pick Browne up & throw him out of the ring!

[eligibletackle]

i agree. Coin flip IMO so why not go with the underdog.

being ragdolled by DC is nothing to be ashamed of though.

Barnett is an extremely well rounded and experienced fighter. I doubt he will give Browne a lot of room to work his strikes, will try to keep the pressure and get his td / GNP on. Can Browne create space and stay vertical? Maybe.

a) if it's a ever a straight coinflip IYO, shouldn't you always bet on any dog in some capacity?

b) DC's ragdolling wasn't the point - I was stressing that Barnett struggles imposing his game vs a HW that can circle out and avoid the clinch like DC. DC's wrestling prowess attributed to him being able to shuck off some body lock attempts - but Barnett got into those situations b/c he had a height & reach advantage on DC. He'll have neither on Browne, who is about as fleet footed as they come for a HW.

c) Yeah I should hope that's Barnett's gameplan.


Just a bad bad bad matchup for the Warmaster. He has way too many fight-miles on him and they haven't reared their ugly head. Browne is a superior athlete with height/reach/strength advantages. Even though Browne lacks Barnett's grappling acumen, he does not fit the mold of someone Barnett can methodically bring down and sub or GnP. I suck at predicting line movement but I must be taking crazy pills if there's is enough volume/value of tickets coming in on Barnett where Browne gets into the +180- +190 range. Browne seems like a dog you have to play and feel good about it regardless of the outcome.

[MD]

Remember guys, when you want to back a side and feel smart about it, just make shit up and state facts that aren't relevant to the fight at all.

[eligibletackle]

oh hey MD - what's up? It must be a thursday, or any day that wasn't preceded by an MMA event really, since you're disparaging other cappers in condescending fashion to act like you're king shit of penetrate mountain despite having a track record and analysis that says otherwise.

I got >100 posts here in 2 years, take 3 minutes out of your day and read previous shit I made up that wasn't relevant like the above. I only step into this cesspool when I feel strongly about something and ready to argue. Wish you could atleast provide a decent counter argument when you piss on anybody's picks.

[MD]

oh hey MD - what's up? It must be a thursday, or any day that wasn't preceded by an MMA event really, since you're disparaging other cappers in condescending fashion to act like you're king shit of penetrate mountain despite having a track record and analysis that says otherwise.

I got >100 posts here in 2 years, take 3 minutes out of your day and read previous shit I made up that wasn't relevant like the above. I only step into this cesspool when I feel strongly about something and ready to argue. Wish you could atleast provide a decent counter argument when you piss on anybody's picks.

Did you even read my post?

[RubberKettle]

oh hey MD - what's up? It must be a thursday, or any day that wasn't preceded by an MMA event really, since you're disparaging other cappers in condescending fashion to act like you're king shit of penetrate mountain despite having a track record and analysis that says otherwise.

I got >100 posts here in 2 years, take 3 minutes out of your day and read previous shit I made up that wasn't relevant like the above. I only step into this cesspool when I feel strongly about something and ready to argue. Wish you could atleast provide a decent counter argument when you piss on anybody's picks.

Awesome, spot on.

[Thor4140]

Browne @ +170?





I like Barnett but his recent/relevant Ws have come to fighters w/ a fairly glaring weakness - like no ground game or being allergic to punches like Mir. Even if DC didn't ragdoll Barnett for 25 minutes - it was clear how Barnett fares against an athletic & agile HW. I think the main argument for Barnett, that his strength is Browne's 'weakness', is ridiculously near-sighted. No Greg Jackson fighter is above outpointing somebody in Bisping-esque fashion for a decision W. Haven't seen enough evidence on Browne to be convinced Barnett could take him down at whim.

Browne has been deemed tackle-eligible on this play, gents. Make sure to cover the big man or you might get burned!

i love Barnett in this fight and the whole DC thing is a tad overrated when ya break ur hand in the first round. Im not a big Browne fan but ur point which i highlighted will keep me off of this fight. I could see Browne just trying to do enuf to get the win. Frustrating Barnett because Barnett has to do all the pressuring cause Browne is point fighting. If this happens we then go to the judges and if Barnett was bet heavy he has no shot at a decision.

[Thor4140]

Anyone betting Tate needs to regroup. Don't get sucked in with hatred for Rousey that u make a silly bet like most do in a Mayweather fight. The money will be on Tate at these horrible odds and that is what the books want. Anyone thinking Tate (a huge dog with money being bet on her)can win a five round decision needs their head examined.

[MD]

Anyone betting Tate needs to regroup. Don't get sucked in with hatred for Rousey that u make a silly bet like most do in a Mayweather fight. The money will be on Tate at these horrible odds and that is what the books want. Anyone thinking Tate (a huge dog with money being bet on her)can win a five round decision needs their head examined.

I doubt that most who are betting Tate are thinking she'll win a decision. I think she's far more likely to submit Ronda.

[mmaed]

I like barnett in this one though i still have to do more research. Iirc bigfoot and kongo were able to put browne up against the wall. Kongo was a while ago so im not sure how relevant it is now. Also i think those shots that put gonzaga out were probably illegal. Barnett looked great in the miir fight as well. Possible outcomes i can see are barnett by sub, barnett by decision, browne by dec or browne by tko. I actually kinda like this one to go the distance. I am kinda suprised by barnetts line. I will watch some more tape and see if my opinion changes.

[MD]

I like barnett in this one though i still have to do more research. Iirc bigfoot and kongo were able to put browne up against the wall. Kongo was a while ago so im not sure how relevant it is now. Also i think those shots that put gonzaga out were probably illegal. Barnett looked great in the miir fight as well. Possible outcomes i can see are barnett by sub, barnett by decision, browne by dec or browne by tko. I actually kinda like this one to go the distance. I am kinda suprised by barnetts line. I will watch some more tape and see if my opinion changes.

Getting Browne into the fence isn't too difficult; lesser fighters and grapplers than Barnett have done it with ease. Not a single person has been able to take Browne down, though, but I honestly think that there isn't a better technical grappler at heavyweight than Barnett, and no matter how well Browne prepares, Barnett is going to have a thousand tricks he hasn't seen before. Browne is the more athletic of the two, but neither has really fought someone like the other. I'm going back and forth on that fight a bit, I'll probably re-watch some fights and change my opinion a few times before fight night.

[mmaed]

Getting Browne into the fence isn't too difficult; lesser fighters and grapplers than Barnett have done it with ease. Not a single person has been able to take Browne down, though, but I honestly think that there isn't a better technical grappler at heavyweight than Barnett, and no matter how well Browne prepares, Barnett is going to have a thousand tricks he hasn't seen before. Browne is the more athletic of the two, but neither has really fought someone like the other. I'm going back and forth on that fight a bit, I'll probably re-watch some fights and change my opinion a few times before fight night.

Okay, im glad im not the only person who goes back and forth so much. One thing i will say is for all brownes athleticism i dont think his striking is all that technical. Without technical striking i see him having trouble keeping barnett at bay. Again though i am basing this off the kongo fight which was three years ago. I also have to check some more tape out.

[TheCalculator]

Getting Browne into the fence isn't too difficult; lesser fighters and grapplers than Barnett have done it with ease. Not a single person has been able to take Browne down, though, but I honestly think that there isn't a better technical grappler at heavyweight than Barnett, and no matter how well Browne prepares, Barnett is going to have a thousand tricks he hasn't seen before. Browne is the more athletic of the two, but neither has really fought someone like the other. I'm going back and forth on that fight a bit, I'll probably re-watch some fights and change my opinion a few times before fight night.

Kind of pissed with the line. I thought Barnett would be -170 or something. I feel they just squeeze the value out of this play. I thought Barnett would be under estimated. Still hoping the public goes heavy on Browne.

[Ron_Paul_2012]

Getting Browne into the fence isn't too difficult; lesser fighters and grapplers than Barnett have done it with ease. Not a single person has been able to take Browne down, though, but I honestly think that there isn't a better technical grappler at heavyweight than Barnett, and no matter how well Browne prepares, Barnett is going to have a thousand tricks he hasn't seen before. Browne is the more athletic of the two, but neither has really fought someone like the other. I'm going back and forth on that fight a bit, I'll probably re-watch some fights and change my opinion a few times before fight night.

Flip Flopper

[MD]

Kind of pissed with the line. I thought Barnett would be -170 or something. I feel they just squeeze the value out of this play. I thought Barnett would be under estimated. Still hoping the public goes heavy on Browne.

He was -175 at one point. I am pretty confident that the line will improve and drop below -200 again.

[mirinquads]

I think Barnett takes it, but the line is too high. I expected -155.

Browne isn't a terrible play here.

[Rubber Guard]

I like Barnett to win. I don't see how a guy can take away from Barnett's wins yet be all giddy over Browne's? He was getting trashed by Overeem, Reem blew his wad, then his glass jaw was KO'd. Reem has sucked anyway. Gonzo is nailed in the ear a million time while getting backed into the fence, an almost illegal finish. Lost to Bigfoot but we can't take much from that other than Browne thinks he is Dominick Cruz. Chad Griggs? Rob Broughton? None of these guys possessed much of a TD threat, none of them are wrestlers of any caliber. I tend to like HW dogs, but Barnett is the man and Browne's record is very overrated when you take a better look at how those fights played out. Barnett is better in close against the cage. Better wrestler. Better submission position fighter, more fighter IQ, perhaps more cardio....probably stronger.

[Vaughany]

Ronda Rousey on Miesha Tate: "Miesha has a nice ass and she has an ongoing rivalry with me and that's the only reason why she's in this fight."

Funny because it's true!!!

[Vaughany]

[plekz]

Miesha has the ass that Ronda's ass want's to look like when it grows up. The fact a cuntbag like Carraway has a girl with an ass like that is alone proof that God is indeed DEAD.

[plekz]

Haha, so SBR censors 'FCK' but cuntbag is allowed?

[Beelzebubzy]

Wow leben looks to be in shape

[Vaughany]

Haha, so SBR censors 'FCK' but cuntbag is allowed?

haha sums up SBR in one really

[Vaughany]

Wow leben looks to be in shape

And BJ is motivated!!

[Unwritten Law]

Silva by triangle choke

[Bumdeal]

In silva/weidman how about fight doesn't go 5 rounds -300? Maybe parlay it w/ something

[Thor4140]

In silva/weidman how about fight doesn't go 5 rounds -300? Maybe parlay it w/ something

i like that but i also liked Big Foot and Hunt not to go five rounds. The good point of this bet is that Weidman gasses after a round and a half.

[Beelzebubzy]

The Rock is backing Ronda

Wonder how many times he smashed it on set of Fast and Furious

[Thor4140]

The Rock is backing Ronda

Wonder how many times he smashed it on set of Fast and Furious

why u have to disrespect The Rock like that?

[Beelzebubzy]

why u have to disrespect The Rock like that?

Do you think he smashed Gina?

[Sacrelicious]

I doubt that most who are betting Tate are thinking she'll win a decision. I think she's far more likely to submit Ronda.

Put a tiny bet on Tate ITD around +800ish, Ronda should own her but this line is just silly.

[Jim_Gunn]

In silva/weidman how about fight doesn't go 5 rounds -300? Maybe parlay it w/ something

I liked that bet better when it was -245. It dropped in just the last 24 hours or so.

[NunyaBidness]

And BJ is motivated!!

Lidell's got that look in his eyes!