UFC Fight Night: Maia Vs Shields (October 09, 2013)

[Vaughany]

Joseph benavidez's JoeJitsu is also a martial art, as is yves's thugjitsu

[TheRifleman]

Hilarious that you think "American jiu jitsu" is an actual martial art and not just some sort of fringe knockoff.

all martial arts techniques start off as 'fringe knockoff's"....

[Sykes]

MAIN CARD (FOX Sports 1, 7 p.m. ET)
Demian Maia vs. Jake Shields
Dong Hyun Kim vs. Erick Silva
Matt Hamill vs. Thiago Silva
Joey Beltran vs. Fabio Maldonado
Rousimar Palhares vs. Mike Pierce
Raphael Assuncao vs. T.J. Dillashaw

PRELIMINARY CARD (FOX Sports 1, 5 p.m. ET)
Rodrigo Damm vs. Hacran Dias
Igor Araujo vs. Ildemar Alcantara
Yan Cabral vs. David Mitchell
Chris Cariaso vs. Iliarde Santos

PRELIMINARY CARD (Facebook, 4:30 p.m. ET)
Alan Patrick vs. Garett Whiteley

[MD]

all martial arts techniques start off as 'fringe knockoff's"....

And some stay that way forever.

[Imsmarterthanu]

palhares

[OracleAdam]

I think Palhares is awful and has no heart. If you're betting on him, look at his fights against Lombard and Belcher. He looked so confused. Leg lock submissions only work against fighters that aren't very good. Against a competent fighter, like I think Pierce is, it opens you up for punches to the face. Pierce should get an easy win here. Id' bet on Pierce at -300 and better.

Silva should get an easy win against Hamill. I guess the UFC really doesn't want Hamill around to have him fighting Silva. I dont see any way Hamill could win this one, especially seeing Silva's great standup in his last fight. I guess you could make the argument that Hamill could lay and prey Silva for all 3 rounds, but Hamill is getting up there in age and I doubt he is as quick as he used to be.

I think the other fights are a tossup. The Shields/Maia fight is tough. I'd bet on Maia if the line was equal, but anything over -200 isn't worth it I don't think. Shield's could outwrestle Maia and outstrike him as well. Of course Maia has been looking great lately, which will probably prevent me from betting on Shields. Gun to my head, I'd take Shields with him being a big underdog.

Silva vs Kim - Silva has some good standup and is always improving. If it is the same Silva vs Fitch, I'd bet on Kim. However, it could be a ferocious Silva in that cage. Again, I'd take Kim if I had to choose because of the line.

I need to do more research with the Maldonado/Beltran fight. There could be a clear answer there if I watch a few more fights from each fighter. Definitely will discuss this card more before fight night.

[mmaed]

I think Palhares is awful and has no heart. If you're betting on him, look at his fights against Lombard and Belcher. He looked so confused. Leg lock submissions only work against fighters that aren't very good. Against a competent fighter, like I think Pierce is, it opens you up for punches to the face. Pierce should get an easy win here. Id' bet on Pierce at -300 and better.

Silva should get an easy win against Hamill. I guess the UFC really doesn't want Hamill around to have him fighting Silva. I dont see any way Hamill could win this one, especially seeing Silva's great standup in his last fight. I guess you could make the argument that Hamill could lay and prey Silva for all 3 rounds, but Hamill is getting up there in age and I doubt he is as quick as he used to be.

I think the other fights are a tossup. The Shields/Maia fight is tough. I'd bet on Maia if the line was equal, but anything over -200 isn't worth it I don't think. Shield's could outwrestle Maia and outstrike him as well. Of course Maia has been looking great lately, which will probably prevent me from betting on Shields. Gun to my head, I'd take Shields with him being a big underdog.

Silva vs Kim - Silva has some good standup and is always improving. If it is the same Silva vs Fitch, I'd bet on Kim. However, it could be a ferocious Silva in that cage. Again, I'd take Kim if I had to choose because of the line.

I need to do more research with the Maldonado/Beltran fight. There could be a clear answer there if I watch a few more fights from each fighter. Definitely will discuss this card more before fight night.

Leg lock submissions dont only work against fighters that arent very good. Pierce is a competent fighter though.

I agree with you about silva though i dont think his last fit was an example of an improvement in his striking. Cavalcante clearly gassed and got knocked out.

I feel exactly the same about not wanting to take maia over -200. I think he is better everywhere except possibly wrestling. I always would have thought of jake shields as the better wrestler if maia didnt go on the tear hes gone on recently. It has been amazingly impressive.

i have a feeling silva is going to starch kim. They way he handled his last opponent was incredible. Well see though.

i like beltran and have money on him as a dog. He was able to outwrestle igor pokrajac. If he can outwrestle him he should be able to outwrestle maldanado. Maldanados style of wearing down his opponents with his boxing shouldnt work so well on beltran because he is so goddamned tough. Well see though.

[Thor4140]

Leg lock submissions dont only work against fighters that arent very good. Pierce is a competent fighter though.

I agree with you about silva though i dont think his last fit was an example of an improvement in his striking. Cavalcante clearly gassed and got knocked out.

I feel exactly the same about not wanting to take maia over -200. I think he is better everywhere except possibly wrestling. I always would have thought of jake shields as the better wrestler if maia didnt go on the tear hes gone on recently. It has been amazingly impressive.

i have a feeling silva is going to starch kim. They way he handled his last opponent was incredible. Well see though.

i like beltran and have money on him as a dog. He was able to outwrestle igor pokrajac. If he can outwrestle him he should be able to outwrestle maldanado. Maldanados style of wearing down his opponents with his boxing shouldnt work so well on beltran because he is so goddamned tough. Well see though.

Beltran is a can who will lose to anyone with a decent set of hands

[mmaed]

Joey beltran has taking some serious shots from powerful heavyweights and continued to fight. Hes managed to win one of three rounds on the judges scorecards against stipe miocic, pat barry, and matt mitrione.

[Mercersux]

Joey beltran has taking some serious shots from powerful heavyweights and continued to fight. Hes managed to win one of three rounds on the judges scorecards against stipe miocic, pat barry, and matt mitrione.

Agreed. Beltran is a pretty durable guy. Good hands but lacks power. Hanged in with some good heavyweights while being very undersized. We also can't forget the time he outgrappled Rolles Gracie after Rolles decided to take a nap on the floor mid fight. Still counts tho...

[mmaed]

Lol yeah that still counts. At least he didnt do his walk off into the ko. That shit was hilarious.

[OracleAdam]

Leg lock submissions dont only work against fighters that arent very good. Pierce is a competent fighter though.

I agree with you about silva though i dont think his last fit was an example of an improvement in his striking. Cavalcante clearly gassed and got knocked out.

I feel exactly the same about not wanting to take maia over -200. I think he is better everywhere except possibly wrestling. I always would have thought of jake shields as the better wrestler if maia didnt go on the tear hes gone on recently. It has been amazingly impressive.

i have a feeling silva is going to starch kim. They way he handled his last opponent was incredible. Well see though.

i like beltran and have money on him as a dog. He was able to outwrestle igor pokrajac. If he can outwrestle him he should be able to outwrestle maldanado. Maldanados style of wearing down his opponents with his boxing shouldnt work so well on beltran because he is so goddamned tough. Well see though.

OK, name one good, experienced fighter that tapped to a leg lock in the past year.I missed Silva's last fight. I have to watch more Maldanados fights to get a read on that one. Do you think he can outstrike Beltran or will Beltran outstrike Maldanado?

[mmaed]

Maldanado is a former pro boxer so i would expect him to win the striking exchanges. That said i wouldnt be blown away to see beltran edge him on the feet i just wouldnt expect it.

palhares tapped out lucio linhares who is a third degree black belt and he also tapped out david branch who is a black belt in bjj and a oan american games champion. He also tapped out two people in adcc, maybe three to win a silver medal. All heel hooks. He is amazingly with them and he should be even more dangerous with them at 170. Part of the reason he can do them so well is because he is so short and powerful. His nickname is tree trunk. He can unleash a massive amount of torque which is why he frequently injures people. He should also have more strength to get takedowns. Of course he should gas faster as well so who knows what happens. I hope he sticks around if he loses to pierce and gets someone without great takedown defense at a decent line.

[Educ8d Degener8]

I wouldn't assume Paul Harris is gonna breeze through the cut down to 170 and be "stronger" and "more dangerous"... May want to wait to see him at weigh-ins for clues regarding his weight cut.

[Beelzebubzy]

Maldanado is a former pro boxer so i would expect him to win the striking exchanges. That said i wouldnt be blown away to see beltran edge him on the feet i just wouldnt expect it.

palhares tapped out lucio linhares who is a third degree black belt and he also tapped out david branch who is a black belt in bjj and a oan american games champion. He also tapped out two people in adcc, maybe three to win a silver medal. All heel hooks. He is amazingly with them and he should be even more dangerous with them at 170. Part of the reason he can do them so well is because he is so short and powerful. His nickname is tree trunk. He can unleash a massive amount of torque which is why he frequently injures people. He should also have more strength to get takedowns. Of course he should gas faster as well so who knows what happens. I hope he sticks around if he loses to pierce and gets someone without great takedown defense at a decent line.

Maldonado beat cans in boxing

one does not get more powerful as one loses weight.

[mmaed]

I wouldn't assume Paul Harris is gonna breeze through the cut down to 170 and be "stronger" and "more dangerous"... May want to wait to see him at weigh-ins for clues regarding his weight cut.

I agree. I stated that i think he will gas faster.

[mmaed]

Maldonado beat cans in boxing

one does not get more powerful as one loses weight.

I didnt know he beat cans. How do you know this?

he can become more powerful depending on how well his weight cut goes. The reason is his opponents will be smaller compared to middleweights. Its not so much that he gets stronger per se, he can just be stronger comparatively. Unless he gasses, which is what he usually does at middleweight s you would think it will happen at welterweight.

[Mercersux]

I didnt know he beat cans. How do you know this?

he can become more powerful depending on how well his weight cut goes. The reason is his opponents will be smaller compared to middleweights. Its not so much that he gets stronger per se, he can just be stronger comparatively. Unless he gasses, which is what he usually does at middleweight s you would think it will happen at welterweight.

Pretty much all cans...

http://boxrec.com/list_bouts.php?human_id=171565&cat=boxer

Guy can take punishment like no other tho. o2.5 looks like it could be a nice play. Don't think either has the power to put the other out.

[rosietop]

going down a weightclass dosent make you stronger in fact it makes you weaker, however the biggest advantage of going down a class is that you fight smaller guys and your power is amplified.

[mmaed]

going down a weightclass dosent make you stronger in fact it makes you weaker, however the biggest advantage of going down a class is that you fight smaller guys and your power is amplified.

That is what i am saying.

[mmaed]

Pretty much all cans...

http://boxrec.com/list_bouts.php?human_id=171565&cat=boxer

Guy can take punishment like no other tho. o2.5 looks like it could be a nice play. Don't think either has the power to put the other out.

I agree with the over 2.5 rounds. They are both super tough, probably two of the toughest in the division.

[rosietop]

I also agree with the over 2.5 in the Maldanado and Beltran fight but -280 c`mon its not exactly a value line

[Mercersux]

I also agree with the over 2.5 in the Maldanado and Beltran fight but -280 c`mon its not exactly a value line

Dang. Didn't know the line was that high. Maybe some parlay fodder.

[MD]

This is where wikicapping gets you. "Maldonado is a former pro boxer" as justification for his standup is laughable. The guy is a really bad striker with a God-tier chin who punches really hard to the body. That's about it.

[mmaed]

Yeah i noticed that his boxing didnt look that great against roger hollett. At least not as good as i originally thought. Part of the reason is i bout the hype and i saw that he knocked out maicquel falcao twice. I used to hold falcao in higher regard. I guess i always kinda wondered if there was something i was missing and maldanado is going to bust out with something impressive. It seems like you are right. Maldanado relys on his chin to absorb punishment while he wears down his opponents with body shots. Wen they get tired and fade he takes over. I would imagine that beltran can handle that. Actually these conversations really make me think that he should be a significant favorite

what is your take on assuncao vs dillashaw? I think assuncao is going to be way too much too fast for dillashaw. It could be close..but i think it will be one of those fights where assuncao edges out the fight by a small margin but one that is consistent throughout the fight, as in he should be one step ahead of dillashaw the whole time. He shoukd be able to stuff dillashaw most of the time, he stuffed faber quite a bit back in the day and he has been solid wince then. His striking and footwork should make up for whatever the difference in wrestling skill is between them. Dillashaw has shown some impressive knock outs but assuncao has way more technique and experience than him. I dont see assuncao planting his feet long enough to get sucked into a wild exchange that will get him tagged or taken down.

[MD]

Yeah i noticed that his boxing didnt look that great against roger hollett. At least not as good as i originally thought. Part of the reason is i bout the hype and i saw that he knocked out maicquel falcao twice. I used to hold falcao in higher regard. I guess i always kinda wondered if there was something i was missing and maldanado is going to bust out with something impressive. It seems like you are right. Maldanado relys on his chin to absorb punishment while he wears down his opponents with body shots. Wen they get tired and fade he takes over. I would imagine that beltran can handle that. Actually these conversations really make me think that he should be a significant favorite

what is your take on assuncao vs dillashaw? I think assuncao is going to be way too much too fast for dillashaw. It could be close..but i think it will be one of those fights where assuncao edges out the fight by a small margin but one that is consistent throughout the fight, as in he should be one step ahead of dillashaw the whole time. He shoukd be able to stuff dillashaw most of the time, he stuffed faber quite a bit back in the day and he has been solid wince then. His striking and footwork should make up for whatever the difference in wrestling skill is between them. Dillashaw has shown some impressive knock outs but assuncao has way more technique and experience than him. I dont see assuncao planting his feet long enough to get sucked into a wild exchange that will get him tagged or taken down.

Maldonado was never a good boxer. Not in boxing, and not in MMA. He has almost no boxing skill whatsoever.

Assuncao has a lot of problems on the feet, but Dillashaw isn't the guy to expose him for them. Koch did a great job of it, although that was at 145. I think Dillashaw will be too young and athletic for Assuncao. He'll be considerably stronger, quicker, and he has better timing. The only time we've seen Dillashaw's timing look bad was in the Dodson fight, and Dodson would probably beat two Assuncao's at once. Definitely wouldn't take Assuncao here.

[mmaed]

What do you think are assuncaos problems?

[rosietop]

I see value in Assuncao especially in Brazil

[gabe]

I got the over at -190 and -195

[Ron_Paul_2012]

Maia, erick silva, thiago silva, beltran, and assuncao for the win!

4 out 5 of those are going to cash$

[mmaed]

4 out 5 of those are going to cash$

Lol, who loses?

[Beelzebubzy]

Gaberz

[Thor4140]

I wouldn't assume Paul Harris is gonna breeze through the cut down to 170 and be "stronger" and "more dangerous"... May want to wait to see him at weigh-ins for clues regarding his weight cut.

This might be the biggest mental midget in MMA. I would be worried about the weight cut, what side of the bed he woke on, and every single other thing u have to worry about with a fighter. This guy is a super flake.

[mmaed]

Palhares once jumped on the cage wall to celebrate victory before he won the fight.

[Das Jax]

lol..........I completely disagree with that statement....There are critical differences between Brazilian Jujitsu and American Jujitsu. To start with, stylistically, they both include a heavy grappling. An AJJ student will spend between 65-85% of their training time on the mat doing no-gi submission grappling. ( not include conditioning, which is done before formal class time) "AJJ" is BJJ combined with takedowns and slams from wrestling. AJJ is not terribly fond of guard work unlike BJJ..but the main difference between the two (and it is the most obvious and critical difference) is striking. In AJJ, you will hit and be hit. Even if one was to consider one’s self a “pure grappler,” in the AJJ curriculum, a student will still have to develop familiarity (at the minimum) with basic boxing, muay thai, and san shou techniques and strategies. Do you disagree?

Late responding to this, but of course I disagree. What you're describing certainly isn't BJJ, but neither is it "AJJ". Instead, it's this new, crazy composite style all the kids these days are calling... mixed martial arts. Calling it AJJ is completely ridiculous, as is Jake Shields if he's trying to say he trains his guys any differently than any other gym on ANY continent that's preparing guys for MMA.