Overeem -165

[Demonata]

You told me to rewatch the fight, and I did, and the semi-illegal knee (which appeared to hit Browne's arms), happened after the fight could have been stopped, and the fight returned to the feet almost immediately afterwards, and was fought on the feet for the remainder of the fight, excluding Overeem's failed takedown where they both fell on the floor for a moment. I suggest you rewatch the fight in an unbiased manor.

Looks blatant at that speed and angle. Vicious knee, too, given how it ripped through Travis' guard.

MD changing his mind. First says it was semi illegal and appeared to hit his arms after re-watching the fight. Now says it was Blatant. Love your breakdowns bro. Ripping my fight breakdowns but you keep changing your mind in your posts.

[Vaughany]

I never said it was good reffing. In fact, I pretty clearly stated that the whole fight was one big clusterpenetrate of poor reffing.

But to your point, Mario 100% could conceivably have thought "oh shoot, should've stopped the fight after that knee" about 2 seconds after the fact, which was too late into the barrage, and tried to give Travis every possible chance to not be TKOed. If he eventually gets KOed, Mario has no discretion. But if it's a grey zone stoppage where Travis is covering up and moving when warned, then he may lean on the side of letting it go.

Have you never heard of "make up calls"? NBA Officials are notorious for making poor calls on one end and then making another poor call on the other end to "even" it out.

This isn't outlandish at all. It's outlandish to not consider a ref being human, recognizing a mistake too late to do anything related to that foul but be lenient to the person who was fouled so they can remain in the fight as loosely as the rules can be interpreted by the official.

"Make up calls" are the bane of my life in soccer, happen all the time, especially with off-side calls

[Vaughany]

Faber did say that he's looking for a superfight...

Reinhardt vs Faber, winner gets a title shot?

Im down for thatm make it a 5 rounder tho so that Faber has a chance

[MD]

MD changing his mind. First says it was semi illegal and appeared to hit his arms after re-watching the fight. Now says it was Blatant. Love your breakdowns bro. Ripping my fight breakdowns but you keep changing your mind in your posts.

Did you even read the posts? I called it a semi-illegal knee, and said that it appeared to hit Browne's arms, and then when the gif was posted I said that it looked blatant at that speed and angle, and that it ripped through Travis' guard. IE: it did hit his arms, it just went straight through them. Nice try though bro. Tell me more about how Pettis can stop Bendo's takedowns because he's beaten Bendo before.

[Rubber Guard]

Not trying to flame. But I think it is ridiculous that MD is trying to say it should have been stopped. If a guy comes back and wins, no it shouldn't of been stopped. It very well could have, but there is no set guidelines as to when to stop a fight. 1 ref may of stopped it easily. Another may of not (didn't). That is MMA and everyone realizes this going into fights. It shouldn't be "oh well it should of been stopped". It should be "oh well the guy I bet on should have put him out in that situation, especially at HW". MD is a good capper, maybe the best here. But the excuses for losses gets nauseating. You don't have to win them all.

[MD]

Not trying to flame. But I think it is ridiculous that MD is trying to say it should have been stopped. If a guy comes back and wins, no it shouldn't of been stopped. It very well could have, but there is no set guidelines as to when to stop a fight. 1 ref may of stopped it easily. Another may of not (didn't). That is MMA and everyone realizes this going into fights. It shouldn't be "oh well it should of been stopped". It should be "oh well the guy I bet on should have put him out in that situation, especially at HW". MD is a good capper, maybe the best here. But the excuses for losses gets nauseating. You don't have to win them all.

I don't give excuses for my losses bro. Never have. If I think I was on the wrong side, I'll admit it. I don't think I was on the wrong side here. It's other people who have a problem with that opinion, I don't mind if people think Browne was the right side.

Saying that if a guy comes back and wins the fight shouldn't have been stopped, is wrong IMO. No one would have complained if Barry had stopped Kongo, or even if Maynard had stopped Edgar. There are probably dozens of stoppages during which if the fight hadn't been stopped, the loser had a good shot of coming back and winning.

[plekz]

I don't give excuses for my losses bro. Never have. If I think I was on the wrong side, I'll admit it. I don't think I was on the wrong side here. It's other people who have a problem with that opinion, I don't mind if people think Browne was the right side.

Saying that if a guy comes back and wins the fight shouldn't have been stopped, is wrong IMO. No one would have complained if Barry had stopped Kongo, or even if Maynard had stopped Edgar. There are probably dozens of stoppages during which if the fight hadn't been stopped, the loser had a good shot of coming back and winning.

Edgar was doing cartwheels inside the cage, and got knocked down three or four times, in the second fight he even clung to the cage with both hands and turned his back to the fight completly.


In this case Browne was blocking the majority of Overeem's punches and when the reff told him to move he did instantly, which shows that he was very much coherent at the time. If anything a seasoned striker such as Overeem shouldnt be making such rookie mistakes and punching himself out completly.

[Rubber Guard]

I don't give excuses for my losses bro. Never have. If I think I was on the wrong side, I'll admit it. I don't think I was on the wrong side here. It's other people who have a problem with that opinion, I don't mind if people think Browne was the right side.

Saying that if a guy comes back and wins the fight shouldn't have been stopped, is wrong IMO. No one would have complained if Barry had stopped Kongo, or even if Maynard had stopped Edgar. There are probably dozens of stoppages during which if the fight hadn't been stopped, the loser had a good shot of coming back and winning.

I don't care what was the right side, as I'm not trying to act as if I know. The right side is the one that cashes. People bet Browne for the fact that Overeem is a cocky idiot with gas issues and an iffy chin. And that is pretty much what ended up happening. It may be wrong to say if a guy comes back then it should have never been stopped. But who are you to say when it should be stopped when there is no guideline to it? Not saying you can't have an opinion, I'm just saying you play up the "right side" angle after many losses. Overeem is the better striker. But he is also probably the weaker chinned and minded fighter. People that took Browne capped it like that.

[The iron sheik]

Demonata talks a big game here. Kind of funny how overeem is overrated after the fight, no mention of it before. Also kind of funny that since you felt the need to bring up other totally unrelated bets in the same event from MD to apparently ridicule him...here's one totally honest question:

Have you ever in your SBR history, actually posted bets on a UFC event where you actually ended up in profit?

[Grabaka]

Man wasnt MD a hero a week or two before this event? Now everyone wants a piece of him! hehehe
Is it because hes Luca's new best buddie?

[MD]

I don't care what was the right side, as I'm not trying to act as if I know. The right side is the one that cashes. People bet Browne for the fact that Overeem is a cocky idiot with gas issues and an iffy chin. And that is pretty much what ended up happening. It may be wrong to say if a guy comes back then it should have never been stopped. But who are you to say when it should be stopped when there is no guideline to it? Not saying you can't have an opinion, I'm just saying you play up the "right side" angle after many losses. Overeem is the better striker. But he is also probably the weaker chinned and minded fighter. People that took Browne capped it like that.

I'm saying that it's my opinion that it should have been stopped. Not claiming it's more than that. I think most referees would have stopped it at that point, but it happens.

I don't play up the "right side" angle, I rarely talk about if my wagers were the right side or not. I care about my losses a lot less than most others on SBR do. I had around 35 bets on the last card I think, losing on Overeem didn't kill my night. There were several bets that I thought to myself that I would not make again, and Overeem wasn't one of them. I'm a douche, sure, but I'm always honest about my wagers. If you want to think differently or think that I'm trying to justify a bad bet, that's fine, I don't mind.

Man wasnt MD a hero a week or two before this event? Now everyone wants a piece of him! hehehe
Is it because hes Luca's new best buddie?

Comes with the territory bro. Doesn't bother me.
Also, you're thinking of Gabe. I almost never talk to Luca.

[Rubber Guard]

He is a good capper. I don't want a piece. I just don't get when guys think they know when a fight should be stopped. How it should be scored. What is an illegal blow. And if they disagree with any of those aspect it is just "variance". MD is basically batting a 1000 if it weren't for variance. His edge is much greater than mine. But he still overrates it big time. Even the Uriah Hall fight he apologized for being wrong on the value...but had to add in that he had him winning. Even when he is dead wrong...he is sort of right. He is a good enough capper to not have to play that game. Sometimes you are just wrong, perhaps he feels too much interweb pressure after his nice run.

[MD]

He is a good capper. I don't want a piece. I just don't get when guys think they know when a fight should be stopped. How it should be scored. What is an illegal blow. And if they disagree with any of those aspect it is just "variance". MD is basically batting a 1000 if it weren't for variance. His edge is much greater than mine. But he still overrates it big time. Even the Uriah Hall fight he apologized for being wrong on the value...but had to add in that he had him winning. Even when he is dead wrong...he is sort of right. He is a good enough capper to not have to play that game. Sometimes you are just wrong, perhaps he feels too much interweb pressure after his nice run.

Whether or not I thought Uriah won is irrelevant. I bet him at -385, there was nothing right about betting him. I admitted vehemently that I was completely wrong about that fight, didn't defend it in the slightest. My analysis was wrong and my 'capping was wrong. Even if he had won the decision, or gotten a knockout in the third round, I would have said the same thing. He almost definitely didn't win that fight 80+% of the time, especially not how I thought he would. If you want to bust my balls for the Overeem argument, fair enough, but cut me some slack; does this look like I'm trying to be "sort of right even when I'm dead wrong"?

Bumping for awfulness. Gave Uriah the fight 29-28 but I clearly horribly miscapped it.

Same, barely. Thought he clearly won R1, clearly lost R2, scraped out R3. I would have been just as unhappy if he had won, though. Wrong side is wrong side.

Finished down on my Twitter bets, and didn't do much better for the night myself. Pretty much broke even and only profited for the day because of boxing. I think I got screwed on that 'Reem bet, it should seriously have been stopped when he dropped Travis multiple times and Travis wasn't responding to his punches. I was definitely wrong about that Hall bet, though. Incredibly awful, probably the worst bet I've made all year.

There's a lot of stuff you can give me shit for, but claiming I was trying to save face on the Hall bet is not one of them.

[Beelzebubzy]

Man wasnt MD a hero a week or two before this event? Now everyone wants a piece of him! hehehe
Is it because hes Luca's new best buddie?

The dude like doubles his roll in like 3 events - everyone loves him

loses two plays on one card - most hated capper alve

mma fans are fickle mma gamblers are more fickle


off ttopic is it square to play joe Benavidez inside?

[Rubber Guard]

Your value was way off and you admit it (how can't you when you say he should be -1200?). But in your opinion your "worst bet of the year" still should have cashed if you were judging. That is my point. It is a fair opinion as it was a close fight to call. You just seem to use backhanded humbleness often.

[Vaughany]

Man wasnt MD a hero a week or two before this event? Now everyone wants a piece of him! hehehe
Is it because hes Luca's new best buddie?

Jealous of those who are winnerz brah! JesuzChrist was also the ultimate capper for a while than it all fell apart and he cut his SBR career short due to all the haterz!

[MD]

The dude like doubles his roll in like 3 events - everyone loves him

loses two plays on one card - most hated capper alve

mma fans are fickle mma gamblers are more fickle


off ttopic is it square to play joe Benavidez inside?

Benavidez ITD is the play to make in my opinion. Formiga is incredibly overrated.

Your value was way off and you admit it (how can't you when you say he should be -1200?). But in your opinion your "worst bet of the year" still should have cashed if you were judging. That is my point. It is a fair opinion as it was a close fight to call. You just seem to use backhanded humbleness often.

If you still think I was trying to justify my Hall bet at all, then there's nothing more I can say. I really think that's completely baseless/unfair, but you're entitled to your opinion and I'm not going to argue with you about it. Hope we both cash on the next card.

[Demonata]

Did you even read the posts? I called it a semi-illegal knee, and said that it appeared to hit Browne's arms, and then when the gif was posted I said that it looked blatant at that speed and angle, and that it ripped through Travis' guard. IE: it did hit his arms, it just went straight through them. Nice try though bro. Tell me more about how Pettis can stop Bendo's takedowns because he's beaten Bendo before.

Never said him stopping the takedowns was going to be the most important part of the fight. You are just reaching now brah. Neither of us are going to agree. Just bugs me that seems like you don't respect Pettis. Good Luck with your bets and if I offended you at all I'm sorry.

[MD]

Never said him stopping the takedowns was going to be the most important part of the fight. You are just reaching now brah. Neither of us are going to agree. Just bugs me that seems like you don't respect Pettis. Good Luck with your bets and if I offended you at all I'm sorry.

I know you didn't say that, what I'm saying is that you said Pettis could stop Bendo's takedowns because he beat him before. I do respect Pettis, by the way. He's an excellent fighter.

You too. I appreciate the mature response even though I was the one who started being a douche.

[Grabaka]

Jealous of those who are winnerz brah! JesuzChrist was also the ultimate capper for a while than it all fell apart and he cut his SBR career short due to all the haterz!

He couldnt stand a little fire from fella defacto. I dont recall any other hater...my memory is gone tho. Goddam drugss

[PaperTrail07]

Reem can only blame himself....Fight should have been stopped blah blah blah....If guy "wasnt defending" himself then Reem shoulda put him out...and he didnt....Reems just decided....penetrate those kicks..they arent there LOL...and walk into one...hahaha

[Thor4140]

He couldnt stand a little fire from fella defacto. I dont recall any other hater...my memory is gone tho. Goddam drugss

As JJ likes to say " Jesus Christ couldn't take the pressure of SBR"

[Thor4140]

i got the thickest skin in the game but the relentlessness pressure from Defact could possible test that thickness. Glad im on his side where ever the fuker went.

[PaperTrail07]

i got the thickest skin in the game but the relentlessness pressure from Defact could possible test that thickness. Glad im on his side where ever the fuker went.

....

[Luca Fury]

The dude like doubles his roll in like 3 events - everyone loves him

loses two plays on one card - most hated capper alve

mma fans are fickle mma gamblers are more fickle


off ttopic is it square to play joe Benavidez inside?

This is so true. I will win 10+ events in a row, then have 1 slight losing night and suddenly tons of troll come out of the woodwork and say I'm finished and will never win again. Then I win next event and they're nowhere to be found.

Hell, I will even have a winning event but lose the last bet of the night, and they will pop in to bash the 1 losing bet.

The trolls seem to do this to every gambler who posts their plays, it's absurd. They act as if hitting anything less than 100% is horrible.

[Beelzebubzy]

You get trolled because you compliment yourself too much. EG - your Uriah Hall tweets

plus you work for kalikas

do I think you make money on this? Yeah or you are wasting time. Should learn to dunk and become the second most athletic Jew ever after sandy Koufax

[Luca Fury]

You get trolled because you compliment yourself too much. EG - your Uriah Hall tweets

plus you work for kalikas

do I think you make money on this? Yeah or you are wasting time. Should learn to dunk and become the second most athletic Jew ever after sandy Koufax

There is a fine line between patting yourself on the back and self-promotion. The latter is key to gaining opportunities.

[Beelzebubzy]

I don't mean to boast, but damn, if I don't brag / Them crackers gon' act like I ain't on they ass

[Wanna Bet On It?]

You get trolled because you compliment yourself too much. EG - your Uriah Hall tweets

plus you work for kalikas

do I think you make money on this? Yeah or you are wasting time. Should learn to dunk and become the second most athletic Jew ever after sandy Koufax

That's really not an accomplishment to aspire to. That's like being the second best Asian driver.

Also, Luca isn't Jewish. I can smell a tribesman when I see one (thanks to my Jew nose obviously) and he ain't wearing loanclothes at Mt Sinai, drinking manishewitz with Moses.

[Beelzebubzy]

WBOI please don't tell me you are a Hasidic?
They aren't even people. They are pure evil and mentally slow.

[Wanna Bet On It?]

WBOI please don't tell me you are a Hasidic?
They aren't even people. They are pure evil and mentally slow.

Bro they're the evangelical equivalent for Jews. Crazy religious zealots.

Trust me my Nikka, I wouldn't be watching the UFC on Saturdays if I was hasidic... I'm a secular heathen like 90+% of today's Jews.


I do like to preserve some of my Jewish heritage...

[Crassus]

This is so true. I will win 10+ events in a row, then have 1 slight losing night and suddenly tons of troll come out of the woodwork and say I'm finished and will never win again. Then I win next event and they're nowhere to be found.

Hell, I will even have a winning event but lose the last bet of the night, and they will pop in to bash the 1 losing bet.

The trolls seem to do this to every gambler who posts their plays, it's absurd. They act as if hitting anything less than 100% is horrible.

Dude....just stop. Please. It's un-fookin real.

[mirinquads]

Bro they're the evangelical equivalent for Jews. Crazy religious zealots.

Trust me my Nikka, I wouldn't be watching the UFC on Saturdays if I was hasidic... I'm a secular heathen like 90+% of today's Jews.


I do like to preserve some of my Jewish Heritage...

Yeah better sharpen up on that jew jitz son, Mel Gibson been bulking up



Think he's getting ready to bomb on ya asses

[mirinquads]

This is so true. I will win 10+ events in a row, then have 1 slight losing night and suddenly tons of troll come out of the woodwork and say I'm finished and will never win again. Then I win next event and they're nowhere to be found.

Hell, I will even have a winning event but lose the last bet of the night, and they will pop in to bash the 1 losing bet.

The trolls seem to do this to every gambler who posts their plays, it's absurd. They act as if hitting anything less than 100% is horrible.

Look, no one gives a penetrate about if you lose or not. The reason you're a running joke here and on other forums is your overinflated sense of self worth, capping skills and general unlikeable character. You obviously have a lot of narcissists tendencies that you, yourself seem to be totally unaware of.

You insult fighters, constantly brag about your crazy capping skills (which often seem to be pretty average) and have a weird paranoid delusion that everyone is out to get you and insult your ability to pick winnaz etc. When the truth is people don't really give a penetrate, it's just fun to throw an insult / criticism your way and watching you go on a tirade about proving your record and throwing numbers around no one reads anyway.

Plus around gamblers, touting like you do is a pretty slimy way to make money. I personally have no problem with it, if you can make money all the more power to you. Get yo hustle on. But you just present your self in such a distasteful light that it's an easy think to make fun of, especially when you loose on your first paid events. And when you blame the fighters EVERY single time you lose a bet, never ever admitting you might have capped it wrong.

So while your delusions is funny and all, you might want to dial it down a couple of notches if you don't want to be constantly trolled. Personally don't really have a problem with you, but it's getting kind of pathetic to witness.

*Braces for rant about how i'm a nobody because I have never been invited on an MMA podcast.*

[Beelzebubzy]

Good point about the Saturdays