Ufc 92

[rockhardfister]

How is Forrest going to beat Rashad? He cant knock him out - he cant submit him?? His only chance is to out score him or TKO him but I dont see it in a 5 round fight. Rashad will take Forrest down at will and either win on points or knock him out. Rashad is the play @-105

[rockhardfister]

I'm not a fan of making picks so far away from fight night (event is on 12-27-08) but I feel that these odds are only going to get worse.

3* Quinton Jackson -105 vs. Wanderlei Silva


The way I'm seeing it, as soon as the promotion starts for this event the odds will level out or see Rampage as the favorite.

For the same reason, I'm holding off on betting Rasahd Evans.

Rampage by brutal KO!!! his boxing is much more crisp and Silva is wild as hell and will gt caught. All Page has to do is defend the Muay Tai clinch and he is golden.

(Crocop and Dan Henderson knocked Silva out cold, Rampage gets his revenge) - No roids this time around for Silva

[THE_LOCKSMITH]

How is Forrest going to beat Rashad? He cant knock him out - he cant submit him?? His only chance is to out score him or TKO him but I dont see it in a 5 round fight. Rashad will take Forrest down at will and either win on points or knock him out. Rashad is the play @-105

How? the same way he beat Rampage, leg kicks and using his length. Don't think Rashad can take him down "at will". Not saying he can't or won't win but the way you say it, make it look like he will roll over Griffen with ease.

[rockhardfister]

How? the same way he beat Rampage, leg kicks and using his length. Don't think Rashad can take him down "at will". Not saying he can't or won't win but the way you say it, make it look like he will roll over Griffen with ease.

Common - they gave Forrest the belt. He should not have won that decision over Page. Anyway, your right - the only way he wins this fight is by out pointing Rashad. Problem is that Rashad's boxing has gotten a lot better over his last few fights. Chuck couldnt even close to Rashad. I really think Rashad catches Forrest and then pounds him out ala Keith Jardine.

And by the way Forrest is one of my second favorite fighter so it hurts me to say this

GL Dude!!

[Bread]

I think the Rampage-Forrest fight will be a lot closer than several here think. Will be an entertaining PPV for sure.

[rockhardfister]

I think the Rampage-Forrest fight will be a lot closer than several here think. Will be an entertaining PPV for sure.

Im confused, are you suggesting that Rampage is fighting Forrest?

Rampage-Silva
Forrest-Rashad

On on Rampage - He is younger, bigger and stronger that Silva not to mention he has a better chin.

Rampage: ‘Wanderlei is in a world of trouble’
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Tuesday, December 23, 2008
by Lotfi Sariahmed (lotfi@sherdog.com)

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In the world of fight sport you rarely are privy to a trilogy where the first two fights have gone in one direction. But fans will see just that at UFC 92 this Saturday when Quinton Jackson takes on Wanderlei Silva in their third bout face-to-face. While the first two fights went decidedly in the direction of Silva, Jackson thinks Silva will have his hands full on Saturday.

“I really think Wanderlei is in a world of trouble,” Jackson said on Sherdog Radio’s “The Savage Dog Show” on Monday. “I punch harder. I’m faster. I have better footwork. My boxing is a lot better. I actually know what I’m doing. My defense is on point. Forrest (Griffin) opened up a new world to me with that whole low leg kick thing that he did to me last fight and I’ve been working on that. I’m hoping Wanderlei tries to low kick me this time. I’m well prepared for this fight. I know Wanderlei’s game plan. He’s going to tire himself out in the process of tiring me out. I dissected those two fights and I was doing great until I got tired. This time the cardio isn’t even an issue.”

Not only did Jackson (27-8) say he’s a different fighter for his third bout with Silva (32-8-1) but The Memphis native believes viewers should also consider the circumstances behind the first two defeats.

“Honestly, the first time I fought him I had to fight Chuck (Liddell) the same night and that would be hard for anybody,” said Jackson. “The second time I fought him I probably should’ve backed out of the fight considering what was going on with me but I still took the fight. This time I’m in better shape. I’m more mature and quite frankly back in those days I really sucked. I’m a better fighter now.”


Jeff Sherwood/Sherdog.com

"Rampage" is hoping that the
third time's a charm with
Wanderlei Silva (above).

The man who knocked out Liddell at UFC 71 in May 2007 to become a UFC champion has undergone quite the transformation since last July when he lost his light heavyweight title to Forrest Griffin at UFC 86. A week after the event, Jackson was arrested for a much publicized ride through the streets of Newport Beach, in which the 32-year-old fighter bob and weaved his lifted truck through traffic and sent pedestrians diving for safety. Jackson was charged with felony counts of hit and run, evading and reckless driving. Temporarily placed under mental evaluation following the arrest, Jackson has pleaded not guilty to all charges and will return to court in January.

While Jackson refused to go into detail about what’s transpired since the incident, he offered a more definitive statement addressing whether or not it’ll be a distraction come fight time.

“What’s going to happen is going to happen,” Jackson said. “There’s no sense in worrying about it. All I have to do is go in there and train hard and fight my fight. I don’t have to worry about what’s going on outside the Octagon or whatever. I always have something going on -- I just usually don’t talk about it whether it’s relationship problems, kid problems or whatever. It’s not hard to focus at all. I have to deal with Wanderlei, then after that I have to focus on other things. One at a time.”

After the fight with Griffin, Jackson also changed fight camps. Going from Big Bear to the Wolfslair Academy in Widnes, England, Jackson has spent his entire training camp abroad. So far the change has gone well for a fighter renowned for complaining during training.

“It’s a lot better,” Jackson said. “I didn’t b-tch and moan that much this time. How can I b-tch and moan after my last performance? It lit a fire under my a-- and made me want to work harder. No one had to push me that much this time. I was self-motivated. You guys don’t understand. The last fight I blamed on myself because I didn’t prepare enough. I didn’t take Forrest lightly. But I didn’t train as hard as I should’ve and I learned from that. I’m pushing myself now. I’m taking supplements and being serious about that. I’m doing all sorts of new things. I’m eating right. My nutrition is good. I’m acting like a professional athlete.”

Even with the big changes, Jackson knows only one guy will be stepping into the Octagon.

“The coaches don’t fight for you, do they,” said Jackson. “I still have to be the one to go out there and fight. All my coaches didn’t change. I’ve trained with these people before. I knew them so I went to the UK and worked my butt off doing new things I haven’t done before and I think it’s good for me. We’ll see on Saturday. I think I’m in excellent shape. I think that I can really do a good job.”

And what would be a really good job for Rampage?

“I walk out there and I knock him the hell out,” said Jackson. “One punch knockout. Walk out the cage without even doing an interview and go have me a few beers that night. That’s the perfect night.”

[TheGovernor11]

Full lines are out

The full lines are out for UFC 92:

Okami -350 vs. Lister +275
Hamill -500 vs. Andy +300
Chonan -240 vs. Blackburn +190
Evensen +160 vs. Barry -200
Kongo -500 vs. Al Turk +300
Dollaway -150 vs. Massenzio +120

[TheGovernor11]

Rampage by brutal KO!!! his boxing is much more crisp and Silva is wild as hell and will gt caught. All Page has to do is defend the Muay Tai clinch and he is golden.

(Crocop and Dan Henderson knocked Silva out cold, Rampage gets his revenge) - No roids this time around for Silva

I wish it was this clear cut. If someone gets KO, I unfortunately think it's going to be Rampage so I'm hoping for no KO. Still, I'm not switching my position. Rampage takes this fight.

[THE_LOCKSMITH]

Nothing really sticks out to me on the undercard for a good underdog play. Maybe Massenzio +120, he submitted McFedries his last fight, but Dollaway is tough.

[TheGovernor11]

Yeah, the only undercard play I consider is Reese Andy at +300. Other than that, I'm liking Okami, CB, and Cheick Kongo. Just trying to formulate my plan of attack.

[rockhardfister]

Yeah, the only undercard play I consider is Reese Andy at +300. Other than that, I'm liking Okami, CB, and Cheick Kongo. Just trying to formulate my plan of attack.

Reese Andy is just as good of a wrestler as Hammel, this will come down to who has the better standup. I think your right, @ +300 Andy is a good play.

[rockhardfister]

I wish it was this clear cut. If someone gets KO, I unfortunately think it's going to be Rampage so I'm hoping for no KO. Still, I'm not switching my position. Rampage takes this fight.

Silva KO'ed Page 2x by unanswered knees to the head after Page was gassed out. Page took Silva'a best punch's and was not stunned. If Page allows Silva to get him in the Muay Tai clilnch again I will be very surprised. Silva used this technique a lot when he trained with Chute Box and fought in Pride but I have yet to see him effectively use it in the cage. It must not be endorsed by Extreme Couture.

[kevsworld]

My picks for the *BIG* three matches;

Mir vs Nogueira (
I am taking Nogueira over Mir...I am not a big Mir fan, and I think Nog ground skills will get the best of Mir.

Evans vs Griffin (Strongest play)
I love me some Forest, one of his biggest fans! But, I am taking Evans in this contest all day long. Forest has the heart to last but structurally, his face will not hold up to Rashad's stand up...to much scar tissue, I predict Forest being cut in the first and the match being stopped by the 3-4 round due to cuts, unless TKO early.
Evans has the edge on his feet, he has very good boxing skills, and those looping punches were added just for the ICE MAN. Evans has the edge as a wrestler, one of finest...I never seen him on his back. Ground game is a push, with a slight edge to Forest. Evans will not be taken down by Forest, as I see this fight being a slug fest all night long. Forest will have to use his leg kicks to beat Evans, but Ev is just to fast, and will counter a bad kick, putting Forest on his can.
Rashad has punching power combined with speed, not sure if Forest will be able to last like the amazing win over Jackson.

Jackson VS Silva (Watcher)
Not going to play this, but my money would follow Silva, he has already proven what he could do. Rampage is a better fighter now, and you can never count out a big puncher, as they always have a chance to win at any time. Silva knows Jacksons strong suit is on his feet and he is weakest on the ground, Forest proved that. Silva is the pick, but a puncher is never far from the win!

[TheGovernor11]

Silva KO'ed Page 2x by unanswered knees to the head after Page was gassed out. Page took Silva'a best punch's and was not stunned. If Page allows Silva to get him in the Muay Tai clilnch again I will be very surprised. Silva used this technique a lot when he trained with Chute Box and fought in Pride but I have yet to see him effectively use it in the cage. It must not be endorsed by Extreme Couture.

I know Wand hasn't used the clinch in years; I said this in one of my earlier posts. I also don't feel that their past fights have much bearing on their fight this Saturday because it happened four years and they are both different fighters. I don't think that either fighter will get KO but IF one would, I'd be leaning on Rampage. Amongst other things, he backs out in a straight line which is perfect for how Wand throws. And watch Pride 28 again. It doesn't seem like you've watched it in a while.

[Broncos9798]

Welp I must say I just got on my site today to place a wager on Wanderlei. However I was expecting -130 or so. My website have Wanderlei at -370(holy shit). So that means that Rampage is +300. Maybe I dont know enough but you have to assume Rampage has a resonable chance. I was defiatly planning on betting Wanderlei but for +300 I am giving Rampage a small wager to have a chance to win.

[THE_LOCKSMITH]

Welp I must say I just got on my site today to place a wager on Wanderlei. However I was expecting -130 or so. My website have Wanderlei at -370(holy shit). So that means that Rampage is +300. Maybe I dont know enough but you have to assume Rampage has a resonable chance. I was defiatly planning on betting Wanderlei but for +300 I am giving Rampage a small wager to have a chance to win.

What site is this????????

[THE_LOCKSMITH]

i see odds on Rampage between -120 as high as +110. No way theres a +300 out there. You might have looked at the Nogueira (-340 to -375) Vs Mir (+313 to +225)

[flyingillini]

Here are my bets
Griffin -125
Silva -120

[rockhardfister]

I know Wand hasn't used the clinch in years; I said this in one of my earlier posts. I also don't feel that their past fights have much bearing on their fight this Saturday because it happened four years and they are both different fighters. I don't think that either fighter will get KO but IF one would, I'd be leaning on Rampage. Amongst other things, he backs out in a straight line which is perfect for how Wand throws. And watch Pride 28 again. It doesn't seem like you've watched it in a while.

Was Pride 28 the first match? - if so I dont count that one. Page Fought Chuck Liddell earlier in the night and Wand in the finals. Wand knocked his opponent out quickly (cant recall who). When the two fought, Page was already beat!

[Bread]

Im confused, are you suggesting that Rampage is fighting Forrest?

Yea...obviously an oversight typo. I meant the Evans-Forrest fight.

I think that this is probably the best UFC card on a whole all year long. I might start drinking right now in preparation for it.

[rockhardfister]

Im starting to feel Brad Blackburn over Chonan at +170. I saw Blackburn in the IFL a few times and he looked good in his UFC debut. Chonan is more of a gatekeeper and I think Brad will want this more and his future with the UFC is on the line. I look at it this way, Blackburn is more athletic a packs a power in both hands. I think he gets the 1st round KO, ala Phil Baroni (over Chonan in Pride). Chonan just doesnt start that fast. Anyway, that is my only underdog pick of the night and I always throw down on 1x dog no matter what. I dont consider Rashad or Rampage dogs!

[The HOFF]

Im starting to feel Brad Blackburn

Did you at least buy him a drink first?

[Bread]

Did you at least buy him a drink first?

[TheGovernor11]

I'll post all my picks tomorrow but just want to say that I was wrong with the line movement. Wish I waited...

[rockhardfister]

Did you at least buy him a drink first?

No we just got right into it

[THE_LOCKSMITH]

Nog came in at 246.
237 vs Sylvia
240.5 vs Herring

Mir came in at 251
255 vs Lesnar
255 vs Hardonk
254 vs Vera
262 vs Christison

So frank is coming in a bit lighter and Nog seems to be heavy. Worries me, plus Nog looks rough when they show him running training his cardio. All the years of punishment might be taking its toll.

[The HOFF]

No we just got right into it

I was just kidding. Glad to see you have a sense of humor. Good luck with your picks for the night!

[TheGovernor11]

Card so far

5* Parlay
---Yushin Okami -400
---Minotauro Nogueira -450
5* Yushin Okami -350
3* Rampage -105
2* Forrest -135
1* CB Dollaway -150
1* Mustapha Al Turk +240

[TheGovernor11]

And maybe I wasn't wrong. Rampage is now at -110

2 Future Parlays Half the guys are on this card.

5* Parlay to win 8.27
---Yushin Okami -500 (Tonight)
---Minotauro Nogueira -365 (Tonight)
---Josh Barnett -800 (1/24)
---Fedor Emelianenko -500 (1/24)
---Lyoto Machida -350 (1/31)

3* Parlay to win 11.33
---Yushin Okami -500 (Tonight)
---Minotauro Nogueira -365 (Tonight)
---Marcus Davis -125 (1/17)
---Josh Barnett -800 (1/24)
---Fedor Emelianenko -500 (1/24)
---Lyoto Machida -350 (1/31)

[Bread]

5* Parlay
---Yushin Okami -400
---Minotauro Nogueira -450
5* Yushin Okami -350
3* Rampage -105
2* Forrest -135
1* CB Dollaway -150
1* Mustapha Al Turk +240

Yikes. I'm on Wandy, Rashad, Massenzio and Kongo. Gonna be a real bad night for one of us

[TheGovernor11]

I won't be shocked if I lose Kongo and Dollaway. I originally had Kongo but I think Al Turk can pull out a Herringesque win out and the odds screamed for a small play. But Kongo just dropped back to -300 so I'm thinking about buying the play back.

With the CB Massenzio fight, they both fight so similar that I won't be suprised if Massenzio wins. This is just one of those fights where I feel CB will slightly outwrestle Massenzio en route to victory. This and I think Massenzio's submission game is as overrated as CB's.

[Bread]

CB is like Junie Browning to me in that nobody seems to be able to stand him except the UFC...and you see what Junie at his shot at redemption 2 weeks ago. Wouldn't be surprised to see CB take it.

But like I said about Nate Diaz...I just can't lay a cent on him. Never ever ever. Would rather lose dumb than win smart there. LOL.

GL bud.

[mmike032]

to see Rampage get beat down would be worth the price, but it might not happen so I'll be a pirate.
.......arrrrrr

[TheGovernor11]

If he wins out like Junie did, I'd love it (won money off everyone's hatred of Junie haha). Know what you mean about Nate Diaz; somehow he just wins. But until recently, my dumb bets out of pure hatred goes to Liddell and Diego Sanchez haha.

I would say good luck to you too but doing that would mean you being right and me wrong and I hate being wrong haha.

[TheGovernor11]

Starting the night off right

UPDATED RESULTS **SPOILERS**




















5* Parlay
---Yushin Okami -400
---Minotauro Nogueira -450
5* Yushin Okami -350 --> WIN
3* Rampage -105
2* Forrest -135
1* CB Dollaway -150
1* Mustapha Al Turk +240