TUF 17: Team Bones vs. Team Sonnen

[PunisherIND]

Ratings should be good for TUF.

Sonnen's antics were made for being a coach on the show.

Will watch.

the show has gotten so f'n terrible. been trying to watch the current season and it hasnt been easy. even skipping right to the fight is too much work for me.

but yea, i will be watching bones vs sonnen. would love to see sonnen get under his skin and jones blows a gasket.

[BIGDAY]

the show has gotten so f'n terrible. been trying to watch the current season and it hasnt been easy. even skipping right to the fight is too much work for me.

but yea, i will be watching bones vs sonnen. would love to see sonnen get under his skin and jones blows a gasket.

Agreed with this season. I guess I watch just to see the comedy coach in BigCountry. Guy's elevator does go to the top floor I swear.

[Vaughany]

ha yeah, pretty funny how Big Country's team were moaning in latest episode about not doing two-a-day sessions in training and Nelson's coaching, and the cameras show Nelson just joking around on the mats with Shields and Diaz bros in background. Firstly, I find it funny tht guys like Diaz bros are with Nelson as their work ethic is complete opposite, and secondly its funny how UFC/production haven't even mentioned in the show (as far as I'm aware) that Nelson has likes of Diaz bros and Shields are helping out with the coaching on Nelson's side, while they've focused plenty of time in episodes on Carwin's team showing likes of Marquardt, Barry and even Eliot Marshall got to have some air-time.

[darko3131]

I think Chael wins the majority of the rounds but just like Silva he needs to avoid getting finished.

[PunisherIND]

oh snap. now im interested!

Jersey y'all better be ready -- Jon Bones Jones (@JonnyBones)

[gabe]

yeah, dana said they're lookin at jersey in the conference call. this cousin is listenin to it right now while puffin on some girls scout cookies

[DirtyX]

Sonnen and Silva fighting a third fight is a joke and a travesty. They are turning this into the god damn WWE. Weidman should fight Silva. Glover or Gustafson should fight Jones. This shit is ridiculous. And ya.... I MAD BRO.

[GunShard]

Sonnen and Silva fighting a third fight is a joke and a travesty. They are turning this into the god damn WWE. Weidman should fight Silva. Glover or Gustafson should fight Jones. This shit is ridiculous. And ya.... I MAD BRO.

Yea. Glover, Gustafsson or Henderson should be next in line against Jones.

[Mercersux]

Sonnen and Silva fighting a third fight is a joke and a travesty. They are turning this into the god damn WWE. Weidman should fight Silva. Glover or Gustafson should fight Jones. This shit is ridiculous. And ya.... I MAD BRO.

Glover hasn't fought that top guy yet to get him to Jones so that fight will probably come further down the road. Gustafson just isn't there yet, even if he does beat Shogun. It's hard to see these young guys who have the ceiling to get to that level but just haven't matured enough but are likely going to get thrown into those situations anyways. Although i guess if the ufc is giving Sonnen a title fight w/o beating anyone in the LHW division, I guess everyone is fair game. As much as i do like Sonnen, I'd love to see Forrest beat him at the end of December and see how they spin that one because the whole season of TUF should be close to being in the can by the time that fight goes down.

[gabe]

205 fights with Jones don't interest me... I'd like to see him fight Struve, Big Foot, Browne, JDS, Cain, Overeem, Werdum... Those would be interesting and fun fights to watch. Jones vs any current 205ers just doesn't tickle me. Feels like only way any of 'em can win is with a lucky strike or submission.

With GSP, there are probably a couple guys at 170 who might give him trouble. Or maybe not. I thought Erick Silva might have been one of them, but he isn't there yet. If GSP dominates Condit, we gotta see him fight Silva next. GSP vs Hendricks or Kampmann is not as exciting... Would GSP vs 185ers be more exciting, or would he get his ass kicked a lot? How would he fair against Munoz, Bisping, Weidman, Belcher, Palhares, etc.? 185 might be a more interesting division to see him in.

As far as Anderson Silva, I think he would be just as dominant at 205 as he is at 185, but 185 is his natural weight class. He's not necessarily a big 185er. Fights with him at 205 would not be any more or less interesting than at his natural weight class of 185.

Just some st0ner ramblings...

[El Nino]

Ratings should be good for TUF.

Sonnen's antics were made for being a coach on the show.

Will watch.

I don't know. I see this being a lot like when Koscheck and GSP were on. Bones seems like he has a boring ass personality.

[Vaughany]

I don't know. I see this being a lot like when Koscheck and GSP were on. Bones seems like he has a boring ass personality.

yep think you're right....will be a lot of prodding by Chael with no reaction from Jones! They will have to have some random character like "The Male Nurse" who can be a part of Jones' team and do the reacting for him!

[Vaughany]

Sonnen and Silva fighting a third fight is a joke and a travesty. They are turning this into the god damn WWE. Weidman should fight Silva. Glover or Gustafson should fight Jones. This shit is ridiculous. And ya.... I MAD BRO.

They aren't having a third fight are they?

[Thor4140]

I think Chael wins the majority of the rounds but just like Silva he needs to avoid getting finished.

cmon dude. He will be lucky if he wins ten seconds of any round

[MD]

I find it baffling that people (on a handicapping forum no less, where correct analysis means livelihood for some) think Glover can beat Jones, or stands any kind of realistic chance.

Glover is a very mediocre striker with no jab, whatsoever, who throws right hooks as counters, right hooks as his lead, and just walks towards guys until they throw a punch and then throws a right hook over it. Sure, he's ridiculously powerful, but he's insanely one-dimensional and will be thoroughly exposed by Jones should they fight. He'll look even worse than Rampage did. Once Glover's go-to technique of walking a guy down until he throws a shot and then trying to blast him with a right hook fails, he'll have nothing left. He's a decent wrestler who has shown us absolutely no reason to think he can take down anyone with a wrestling base. However, his jiu jitsu game is undeniably brilliant; he excels on the ground.

Great jiu jitsu with mediocre, incredibly overrated striking, and passable wrestling, does not a Jones-killer make. The guy will be finished within three rounds. However, his biggest weakness by far is his predisposition to stagnation. He hasn't made any noticeable improvements in years. From fight to fight, he's the same fighter, and against a guy like Jones who studies tape and game-plans so well, it strikes me as borderline absurd to think he'll lose to a noticeably smaller and less skilled one-trick pony like Glover.

Honestly, if he opens at -400 or more against Rampage, I'll bet Rampage in a heart beat, provided he looks even semi-decent at the weigh ins. Rampage has the takedown defence to keep it standing, where he'll enjoy a sizeable technique edge. How anyone could cap Glover as a significant favourite in that fight is beyond me. Consider who he's beaten and how, and then watch some of his pre-UFC fights if you think I'm being unreasonable. Hint: I'm not.

[v1y]

I agree that Rampage and Jones present horrible style matches for Glover.

[Beelzebubzy]

Sonnen vs JDS if bones can't fight or CM Punk

[Hannibal]

I find it baffling that people (on a handicapping forum no less, where correct analysis means livelihood for some) think Glover can beat Jones, or stands any kind of realistic chance.

Glover is a very mediocre striker with no jab, whatsoever, who throws right hooks as counters, right hooks as his lead, and just walks towards guys until they throw a punch and then throws a right hook over it. Sure, he's ridiculously powerful, but he's insanely one-dimensional and will be thoroughly exposed by Jones should they fight. He'll look even worse than Rampage did. Once Glover's go-to technique of walking a guy down until he throws a shot and then trying to blast him with a right hook fails, he'll have nothing left. He's a decent wrestler who has shown us absolutely no reason to think he can take down anyone with a wrestling base. However, his jiu jitsu game is undeniably brilliant; he excels on the ground.

Great jiu jitsu with mediocre, incredibly overrated striking, and passable wrestling, does not a Jones-killer make. The guy will be finished within three rounds. However, his biggest weakness by far is his predisposition to stagnation. He hasn't made any noticeable improvements in years. From fight to fight, he's the same fighter, and against a guy like Jones who studies tape and game-plans so well, it strikes me as borderline absurd to think he'll lose to a noticeably smaller and less skilled one-trick pony like Glover.

Honestly, if he opens at -400 or more against Rampage, I'll bet Rampage in a heart beat, provided he looks even semi-decent at the weigh ins. Rampage has the takedown defence to keep it standing, where he'll enjoy a sizeable technique edge. How anyone could cap Glover as a significant favourite in that fight is beyond me. Consider who he's beaten and how, and then watch some of his pre-UFC fights if you think I'm being unreasonable. Hint: I'm not.

You should have just linked to the bloodyelbow article instead of typing this up lol...

[MD]

You should have just linked to the bloodyelbow article instead of typing this up lol...

If you need an article to tell you that Glover only throws right hooks over and over again, you probably shouldn't be betting on MMA.

[Hannibal]

If you need to recite articles to pretend to others that you have any mma insight, you shouldn't be betting mma.

Actually you shouldn't even be breathing...that is truly pathetic behavior.

[Thor4140]

If you need an article to tell you that Glover only throws right hooks over and over again, you probably shouldn't be betting on MMA.

He is the flavor of the month. This is why MMA bettors are retarded most of the time. I give Rampage a real shot at beating him while others think Rampage is gonna get destroyed. He fights the perfect style for a Rampage win. Rampage will stand with anyone. Not to sure about Glovers chin either after he got rocked in that last fight.

[MD]

If you need to recite articles to pretend to others that you have any mma insight, you shouldn't be betting mma.

Actually you shouldn't even be breathing...that is truly pathetic behavior.

Uhm, I'm not "reciting" an article. I assume you're referring to the Judo Chop on Glover and Maldonado's striking; if I were copying a technical breakdown of a technique in one of those articles, such as his descriptions of Anderson Silva's techniques in the Bonnar fight, that would be wrong and very pathetic. However, I'm not. I'm making a -very- obvious analysis, that anyone with two eyes and even the most limited striking experience would be able to discern. For an analogy that applies to gambling, if you and I were playing poker, and each of us had a basic strategy which the other was aware of, and every time I changed my strategy, I lost money, and every time you changed your strategy, you lost money, it would be a pretty obvious assessment for me to say "our strategies seem to be stalemated, I'm gonna lose money if I do things differently". On the other hand, were I to say (and claim to have come to this deduction through my own reasoning) "our strategies are balanced, and no player can force a gain through changing their strategy without the opposition also changing their strategy, thus creating an equilibrium", it would be pretty obvious I was ripping off a very fundamental betting concept.

To put it in simple terms, just because someone who is an expert in a field states something, does not credit that piece of information to them. Were I to go back through old Judo Chops and post, in great detail, things that Jack Slack has already discerned with his incredible striking insight, then you would be absolutely right. For you to criticize me for stating something as unbelievably obvious as the fact that Glover Texeira has extremely one-dimensional striking is really ridiculous. If a physicist told me the sky was blue, and I repeated it to you without crediting him, I don't think you'd have much of a problem with it. Or are you telling me that you can watch Glover throw a right hook over a jab, then a right hook, then another right hook, then a right hook over a jab again, and not come to the conclusion that this guy could be very one-dimensional?

I re-read the article and the only thing that's really similar to what I said was when I talked about Glover walking guys down, which was worded similarly, unintentionally. Regardless, it's pretty obvious to anyone who watches him fight.

[DirtyX]

You guys should all boycott this lame ass show, and this lame ass fight. This is turning into the god damn WWE. Don't watch this garbage, and send Dana a message.

[DirtyX]

They aren't having a third fight are they?

No dude.. hahaha, I am a retard and misinterpreted what I read. I still think Jones vs Sonnen is a joke and a travesty also. This shit is getting ridiculous imo. I mean Jones could have fought Glover or Gustafson. Not that I think either of those two really stand a legit chance at beating Jones, but they are fights that I would like to see. And then they completely ignore Weidman, who I think deserves to fight Anderson more than anyone at middleweight. I get Dana's logic, the show will have huge ratings due to Sonnen's vile trash talk that he spews every chance he gets. This obviously translates to big money to this TUF. But I won't watch it, and I think it's horse shit.

[Hannibal]

Uhm, I'm not "reciting" an article. I assume you're referring to the Judo Chop on Glover and Maldonado's striking; if I were copying a technical breakdown of a technique in one of those articles, such as his descriptions of Anderson Silva's techniques in the Bonnar fight, that would be wrong and very pathetic. However, I'm not. I'm making a -very- obvious analysis, that anyone with two eyes and even the most limited striking experience would be able to discern. For an analogy that applies to gambling, if you and I were playing poker, and each of us had a basic strategy which the other was aware of, and every time I changed my strategy, I lost money, and every time you changed your strategy, you lost money, it would be a pretty obvious assessment for me to say "our strategies seem to be stalemated, I'm gonna lose money if I do things differently". On the other hand, were I to say (and claim to have come to this deduction through my own reasoning) "our strategies are balanced, and no player can force a gain through changing their strategy without the opposition also changing their strategy, thus creating an equilibrium", it would be pretty obvious I was ripping off a very fundamental betting concept.

To put it in simple terms, just because someone who is an expert in a field states something, does not credit that piece of information to them. Were I to go back through old Judo Chops and post, in great detail, things that Jack Slack has already discerned with his incredible striking insight, then you would be absolutely right. For you to criticize me for stating something as unbelievably obvious as the fact that Glover Texeira has extremely one-dimensional striking is really ridiculous. If a physicist told me the sky was blue, and I repeated it to you without crediting him, I don't think you'd have much of a problem with it. Or are you telling me that you can watch Glover throw a right hook over a jab, then a right hook, then another right hook, then a right hook over a jab again, and not come to the conclusion that this guy could be very one-dimensional?

I re-read the article and the only thing that's really similar to what I said was when I talked about Glover walking guys down, which was worded similarly, unintentionally. Regardless, it's pretty obvious to anyone who watches him fight.

didnt read

but your long winded response implies some guilt

[MD]

didnt read

but your long winded response implies some guilt

I only address things logically, with rationality and a clear mind. If logic is a problem for you, feel free to continue "feeling" like I'm actually lying. I'm sure it's +EV for you in the long run to go with your gut and not think about things too much.