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  • Chance Harper
    SBR Wise Guy
    • 07-20-07
    • 788

    #1
    Manny makes Dodgers instant NL West favorites
    Manny makes Dodgers instant NL West favorites

    It seems so appropriate when you stop and think about Manny being Manny now in La-La Land. After years of rumored trades involving their resident flake and malcontent, the Boston Red Sox finally pulled the trigger and shipped Manny Ramirez west to the Dodgers in a three-team deal involving the Pirates. And Ramirez wasn't the only star to get traded Thursday as Ken Griffey Jr. also has a new address.


    Well, that was an interesting Thursday afternoon. Manny Ramirez got traded. So did Ken Griffey, Jr. Not much else happened, but when two surefire Hall of Famers change teams, you don’t need volume.

    Without further ado, let’s evaluate Thursday’s major deadline deals from a betting odds standpoint.

    Los Angeles Dodgers receive: Manny Ramirez
    Boston Red Sox receive: Jason Bay
    Pittsburgh Pirates receive: Andy LaRoche, Brandon Moss, Craig Hansen and Bryan Morris
    Tampa Bay Rays receive: Bupkis

    The Rays come out as the biggest “losers” in the Ramirez trade because they reportedly had a deal all but done that would have sent Jeff Niemann and Reid Brignac to Pittsburgh for Bay. That’s when the Red Sox swept in and revived an earlier attempt to swing a three-way deal for Ramirez that had involved the Pirates and Florida Marlins. Keeping Bay out of Tampa Bay was a major plus for Boston in the American League East race.

    Ramirez (.926 OPS) joins the Dodgers and immediately makes them the favorites in the National League West. However, it remains to be seen which of the current Dodger outfielders will get to ride the pine. Manager Joe Torre has given Andruw Jones (.518 OPS) and Juan Pierre (.641 OPS) way too much playing time already. This organization has been treating Matt Kemp (.819 OPS) like dirt and apparently shopped him at the trade deadline. I believe the Dodgers are going to sabotage their betting value by taking Kemp and Andre Ethier (.776 OPS) out of the equation instead of Jones and Pierre.

    The Red Sox come out roughly even with Bay (.894 OPS) instead of Ramirez. That enhances Boston’s value, since the betting public loves Manny and knows little about Bay. The unheralded Canadian has been playing outside of the limelight at PNC Park. At the same time, the Pirates could be a better team right away. LaRoche (.641 OPS in 27 games) was a top prospect for Los Angeles, but wasn’t given much of a chance in their veteran-happy lineup. Moss was a second-tier Red Sox prospect with a solid .799 OPS in 34 games this year. The Pirates should at least outperform their low expectations following this trade.

    Chicago White Sox receive: Ken Griffey, Jr.
    Cincinnati Reds receive: Nick Masset, Danny Richar

    Sadly, this trade just isn’t that important. Griffey hasn’t fallen apart as badly as Jones, but his .787 OPS is barely above the .784 figure the White Sox are putting up as a team. Worse, it’s being said Griffey only accepted the trade on the condition he would play center field. Once a premium defensive player, Griffey has been relegated to right field the last couple of years in Cincinnati, and he was -4 in FRAR (Fielding Runs Above Replacement) for the Reds in 2008. On the whole, this is a minor upgrade for Chicago at best and lowers their betting value in the end.

    The Reds gave up little in the way of prospects, and they have blue-chipper Jay Bruce (.727 OPS, zero FRAR in 57 games) ready to take over for Griffey. Like the Pirates, Cincinnati should be roughly as good/bad as before the trade, enhancing their value from a betting perspective.

    Weekend Betting Preview – Diamondbacks at Dodgers
    Game 2: Friday, 10:40 p.m.

    ARI: Randy Johnson
    LAD: Clayton Kershaw

    Game 3: Saturday, 10:10 p.m.
    ARI: Yusmeiro Petit
    LAD: Hiroki Kuroda

    Game 4: Sunday, 4:10 p.m.
    ARI: Doug Davis
    LAD: Jason Johnson

    Arizona took the first game of this series on Thursday night, outlasting Los Angeles 2-1 to improve to 56-52, including 8-2 over the past 10 games. Ramirez is expected to make his Dodgers debut against Randy Johnson (4.58 ERA, 4.24 xFIP), whom Manny has lit up for a .991 OPS over the past 15 years. The Snakes were -120 favorites on the early line with a total of 7.5 runs.

    The other Johnson in this series is Jason Johnson, the 10-year veteran right-hander who bounced around with three clubs in 2006 before going to Japan last year. He pitched well for AAA-Las Vegas (3.82 ERA) in his return and was called up earlier this month. Johnson has since replaced Chan Ho Park in the rotation. His first start was a success: zero runs allowed over six innings in Tuesday’s 2-0 win over San Francisco
  • Bread
    SBR Posting Legend
    • 03-16-08
    • 23726

    #2
    Anyone but the Yankees....I keep saying it...Anyone but the Yankees...Anyone but the Yankees......lol.

    Nice writeup.
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    • Willie Bee
      SBR Posting Legend
      • 02-14-06
      • 15726

      #3
      Let's go Yankees

      The Dodgers definitely became a much easier team for me to root against, not that I really needed any extra help in that area.
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      • fiveteamer
        SBR Posting Legend
        • 04-14-08
        • 10805

        #4
        only because the NL West is a joke.
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        • MarioBareseSP
          Restricted User
          • 07-23-08
          • 443

          #5
          I certainly hope so. I have tickets for the sunday game.
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          • B1GER1C828
            SBR Posting Legend
            • 07-31-07
            • 10244

            #6
            the big unit is gna strike out manny twice tonight, prop bet anyone?
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            • sickler
              SBR Posting Legend
              • 06-05-08
              • 15006

              #7
              Originally posted by B1GER1C828
              the big unit is gna strike out manny twice tonight, prop bet anyone?
              Twice?! That's asking a lot. Once would be a fair bet at even money.
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              • sickler
                SBR Posting Legend
                • 06-05-08
                • 15006

                #8
                or make that -1. 1 would be a push
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                • Data
                  SBR MVP
                  • 11-27-07
                  • 2236

                  #9
                  I think he will not make a dramatic difference in NL. If he is to replace the worst hitting outfielder, no matter who it is going to be, Pierre or Jones, he will be replacing a good defender. Considering that Manny is truly bad defensively, his total impact should account for just for a few cents in the line changes.
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                  • ryanXL977
                    SBR Posting Legend
                    • 02-24-08
                    • 20615

                    #10
                    az will win the west i say
                    better pitching better pen now with qualls moved down and rausch moved up
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                    • treece
                      SBR Hall of Famer
                      • 11-28-07
                      • 6298

                      #11
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                      • daggerkobe
                        SBR Posting Legend
                        • 03-25-08
                        • 10744

                        #12
                        Pierre a good defensive player????

                        I've seen this guy catch a popup 10 yards behind 2B and as the runner on 3B tags he bounced the ball approximately 5 times to the plate. He is such a defensive liability it's a joke. Whenever the ball is hit to him with RISP they always score because he throws like a 5 year old girl. You won't see guys heading automatically home anymore cause Manny will gun em down.

                        Andruw has lost a step or two so Kemp can cover far more ground. Not to mention u are removing an automatic out. 5-for-55 (33K) with RISP ......$18M for that. Wow.

                        Manny is already the team leader in HRs and RBIs and hasn't even played a game. He is just what the 26th in runs and 28th in HRs needed.
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                        • Bread
                          SBR Posting Legend
                          • 03-16-08
                          • 23726

                          #13
                          Originally posted by Willie Bee
                          Let's go Yankees

                          The Dodgers definitely became a much easier team for me to root against, not that I really needed any extra help in that area.
                          Yea the Dodgers kinda stung me for my article when they were playing your Astros, didn't they?

                          Bread <------ Hates the Dodgers.
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                          • Data
                            SBR MVP
                            • 11-27-07
                            • 2236

                            #14
                            Originally posted by daggerkobe
                            Pierre a good defensive player????
                            It is not 2007 anymore. He was bad last year and while he may not be good this year but certainly he is not below average. Moving him from center to left was the right thing to do.
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                            • daggerkobe
                              SBR Posting Legend
                              • 03-25-08
                              • 10744

                              #15
                              Pierre is still horrible. He has 0 outfield assists even though everyone runs mercilessly on him. Any single hit to LF with a runner in 2B has resulted in them scoring. In 2007 he allowed 24 runs to score because nobody fears him. When ur team is almost last in the league in scoring u can not give up an extra run or two because ur outfielder has noodle arms. I mean I've seen friggin pitchers score from 2B on shallow hits to LF. He doesn't even try anymore because he even bounces the ball to the cutoff man.

                              Pierre is the WORST outfielder by far.
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                              • rm18
                                SBR Posting Legend
                                • 09-20-05
                                • 22291

                                #16
                                Pierre is the 4th outfielder now though after the trade, so he will help as a pinch hitter/runner more as the season goes on
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                                • ryanXL977
                                  SBR Posting Legend
                                  • 02-24-08
                                  • 20615

                                  #17
                                  dodgers still suck
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                                  • treece
                                    SBR Hall of Famer
                                    • 11-28-07
                                    • 6298

                                    #18
                                    Manny's gonna have jet lag tonight.
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                                    • ryanXL977
                                      SBR Posting Legend
                                      • 02-24-08
                                      • 20615

                                      #19
                                      ax wins tonite and takes this series 3-1
                                      i doubt ht gets jetlag from a 4 hour first class flight though
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                                      • Willie Bee
                                        SBR Posting Legend
                                        • 02-14-06
                                        • 15726

                                        #20
                                        Manny wouldn't know if Manny had jet lag. He's that oblivious.

                                        We should start a Manny Being Manny run a la the Chuck Norris stuff that betplom posted the other day that had me bustin' a gut laughing.
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                                        • ryanXL977
                                          SBR Posting Legend
                                          • 02-24-08
                                          • 20615

                                          #21
                                          in fairness, everytime a redsox player doesnt toe the line, the team vilifies him.
                                          be it nomar or pedro or manny
                                          i wasnt in the locker room but boy, he sure won them a lot of games and is the best RH hitter in the al of the last 20 years or so
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                                          • TheLock
                                            SBR Posting Legend
                                            • 04-06-08
                                            • 14427

                                            #22
                                            They may squeek out the West, but it will take a lot more than Manny Ramirez to make the Dodgers a good baseball team.
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                                            • daggerkobe
                                              SBR Posting Legend
                                              • 03-25-08
                                              • 10744

                                              #23
                                              Dodgers lead the league in most games with 1 run or less with 30.
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                                              • ryanXL977
                                                SBR Posting Legend
                                                • 02-24-08
                                                • 20615

                                                #24
                                                i like the dbacks pen more
                                                pena
                                                cruz
                                                raush
                                                lyon

                                                who do the dodgers have other than kuo and broxy?
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                                                • rm18
                                                  SBR Posting Legend
                                                  • 09-20-05
                                                  • 22291

                                                  #25
                                                  Originally posted by ryanXL977
                                                  i like the dbacks pen more
                                                  pena
                                                  cruz
                                                  raush
                                                  lyon

                                                  who do the dodgers have other than kuo and broxy?
                                                  there best guy Takashi Saito, he is hurt now of course
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                                                  • ryanXL977
                                                    SBR Posting Legend
                                                    • 02-24-08
                                                    • 20615

                                                    #26
                                                    right, so i think the dbacks have a pen edge, and clearly a starter edge bc kershaw has done nohting yet and unit has been unreal the last few weeks

                                                    hitting i would lean dodgers with manny but who knows. i just like dbacks tonite bc of the vast difference between starters
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                                                    • daggerkobe
                                                      SBR Posting Legend
                                                      • 03-25-08
                                                      • 10744

                                                      #27
                                                      Beimal, Chan Ho and Saito are pretty good.
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                                                      • ryanXL977
                                                        SBR Posting Legend
                                                        • 02-24-08
                                                        • 20615

                                                        #28
                                                        saito is out till sept maybe the yr
                                                        otherwise the pens are even
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                                                        • MJFtheGenius
                                                          SBR Hall of Famer
                                                          • 05-31-07
                                                          • 7257

                                                          #29
                                                          atleast Pierre can hit

                                                          andruw Jones in the lineup is like having 2 pitchers batting
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                                                          • ryanXL977
                                                            SBR Posting Legend
                                                            • 02-24-08
                                                            • 20615

                                                            #30
                                                            pierre is out tonite for jones
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                                                            • rm18
                                                              SBR Posting Legend
                                                              • 09-20-05
                                                              • 22291

                                                              #31
                                                              Originally posted by ryanXL977
                                                              pierre is out tonite for jones
                                                              lefty, will see Jones vs lefties Ethier vs righties and not much Pierre I think
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                                                              • MJFtheGenius
                                                                SBR Hall of Famer
                                                                • 05-31-07
                                                                • 7257

                                                                #32
                                                                ethier is better then both

                                                                Jones is a fat peice of shit who can't hit at all

                                                                Makes no sense why they continue to play him
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                                                                • ryanXL977
                                                                  SBR Posting Legend
                                                                  • 02-24-08
                                                                  • 20615

                                                                  #33
                                                                  id play kemp every day
                                                                  manny everyday
                                                                  and i guess rotate pierre and ethier but i dont think ethier is that good either
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                                                                  • VegasDave
                                                                    SBR Hall of Famer
                                                                    • 01-03-07
                                                                    • 8056

                                                                    #34
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