why are people pounding the mets?

freeVICK · 05-02-08, 04:48 PM

i dont get it either... neither side has a big enough edge to even bet this game

Negataur · 05-02-08, 05:14 PM

I'm with you, ryan.

I'm not a believer in the Mets unless Santana is on the hill, MAYBE Maine @ home. This team has gotten beat by WAS and PIT this week, and ARI is still the best team in the bigs.

Owings had his ankle last start?

Gl tonight.

chipski · 05-02-08, 05:18 PM

because people look for dbacks to fall off some , along with owings , a preseason projected 4 or 5 starter . realistically mets could wake up in ariz .
play on team to wake up / turn the corner occurs when we dont really expect it alot . if we expected and knew when teams would hit a win streak or start losing streak we would be past genius .
will mets go into ariz and look like the best team in the nl for one game tonight ? why not , is a perfect oppurtunity for them to get a win and kind of fits in the turn the corner category using gut/hunch for me . like the over 9 too .

ryanXL977 · 05-02-08, 05:19 PM

i think az is better than the mets, better pitchin, better pen. they dont have wright or reyes but they do have young, upton, and a very solid lineup

MonkeyF0cker · 05-02-08, 05:26 PM

My lean was with Arizona. However, I didn't play it since I feel Arizona and Owings in particular are overperforming. Owings has also gotten a lot of hype in the mainstream press (ESPN in particular) which can certainly mess with a player's head. I want to see how his play responds to it first...

ryanXL977 · 05-02-08, 05:55 PM

i agree owings is not this good. but he is no worse than maine and the dbacks are surely better than the mets, to me
and at home

Dark Horse · 05-02-08, 06:25 PM

Owings has an ankle injury. But even with it he hit a game winning 3 run homer the other night as pinch hitter.

Owings not that good?! People who say this haven't seen him pitch. This guy is the real deal, plus he gives you an extra slugger in the lineup. D'backs have great pitching, with the weakest spot being Randy Johnson.

I see a lot of D-backs games. Commentators are great, because they analyze every pitch, and discuss them in relation to the others for each out. Very instructive. They also have the inside scoop on the team. This team is like brothers. A very close bunch. All on the same page. That's why they're performing so well. Not at all your typical baseball team. These guys are willing to fight tooth and nail over every single game!

D-backs are 11-3 at home, and 11-4 at night. They could certainly lose, but the Mets are the wrong bet.

element1286 · 05-02-08, 06:32 PM

Originally posted by Dark Horse

Owings has an ankle injury. But even with it he hit a game winning 3 run homer the other night as pinch hitter.

Owings not that good?! People who say this haven't seen him pitch. This guy is the real deal, plus he gives you an extra slugger in the lineup. D'backs have great pitching, with the weakest spot being Randy Johnson.

I see a lot of D-backs games. Commentators are great, because they analyze every pitch, and discuss them in relation to the others. Very instructive. They also have the inside scoop on the team. This team is like brothers. A very close bunch. All on the same page. That's why they're performing so well.

Owings is a good number 4 starter in the league. He doesn't have great stuff, and his breaking pitchers are decent.

ryanXL977 · 05-02-08, 06:34 PM

Originally posted by Dark Horse

Owings has an ankle injury. But even with it he hit a game winning 3 run homer the other night as pinch hitter.

Owings not that good?! People who say this haven't seen him pitch. This guy is the real deal, plus he gives you an extra slugger in the lineup. D'backs have great pitching, with the weakest spot being Randy Johnson.

I see a lot of D-backs games. Commentators are great, because they analyze every pitch, and discuss them in relation to the others for each out. Very instructive. They also have the inside scoop on the team. This team is like brothers. A very close bunch. All on the same page. That's why they're performing so well. Not at all your typical baseball team. These guys are willing to fight tooth and nail over every single game!

D-backs are 11-3 at home, and 11-4 at night. They could certainly lose, but the Mets are the wrong bet.

dark horse
i didnt say he was nott hat good, i said he is not THIS good. two different things. he is not a 3 era picther with a 1.1 whip.
he is not that.

he is a solid number 3-4 but not this good

dbacks are legit, i know.
hence the post

Dark Horse · 05-02-08, 06:38 PM

Originally posted by element1286

Owings is a good number 4 starter in the league. He doesn't have great stuff...

We'll see at the end of the season. So far he's a 4-0 winner. And make sure to factor in the runs batted in when you consider his ERA.

ryanXL977 · 05-02-08, 06:42 PM

owings will win about 14-15 games this year, if he does, that team wins the division by 5 games.

his era will be 3.75.
he is a 6 inning pitcher though

Dark Horse · 05-02-08, 06:48 PM

He may pitch less tonight. Who knows how good that ankle is? But he's tough, so I have faith.

ryanXL977 · 05-02-08, 06:50 PM

well, they seem to find ways to win ala the other night when unit got lit

ChuteBoxe · 05-02-08, 07:15 PM

Big market teams always get pounded in baseball, regardless of whether they're in a good matchup for them or not. That's why, if you notice a game, where the team, or the pitcher doesn't matchup well, you can get extremely good value if you hammer the dog line.

ryanXL977 · 05-02-08, 07:17 PM

you like who here chute?

ChuteBoxe · 05-02-08, 07:26 PM

I didn't cap the game, but just looking quickly at sp matchups, lhp/rhp team matchups, bp numbers, and line movement, the game is very deceiving to me. I liked Arizona until I looked at the line movement. It actually looks like the smart money is coming in on the Mets.

ryanXL977 · 05-02-08, 07:27 PM

does that mean that az wont win though?

Dark Horse · 05-02-08, 07:36 PM

ARI bullpen at home has 3.63 ERA
NYM bullpen on road has 6.09 ERA

Owings at home has 3.38 ERA
Maine on road has 5.40 ERA

ARI versus RH pitcher: 12-6
NYM versus RH pitcher: 9-6

ryanXL977 · 05-02-08, 07:46 PM

so az has better numbers
doesnt mean they cant lose
i am deciding between az or lad

Dark Horse · 05-02-08, 07:50 PM

Of course they can lose. Doesn't mean that the Mets are the smart money.

ryanXL977 · 05-02-08, 07:51 PM

of course. i think i like lad more though

rake922 · 05-02-08, 09:04 PM

interesting start

ryanXL977 · 05-02-08, 09:17 PM

micah owings is not this good

see above

i bet lad so i lose either way

rake922 · 05-02-08, 09:21 PM

Originally posted by ryanXL977

micah owings is not this good

see above

i bet lad so i lose either way

you bet what

ChuteBoxe · 05-02-08, 09:29 PM

he's suffering through the Dodgers game with the rest of us.

ryanXL977 · 05-02-08, 10:16 PM

i bet lad
and reverse jinxed it hopefully

twitchy · 05-03-08, 01:29 AM

because the line was fishy... :-x but hop on those DBACKS TOMORROW

chipski · 05-03-08, 04:41 AM

just saw something I had written down this time last year in early may > mets have beaten dbacks last 9 times when playing in ariz . was a weekend series and mets won first 2 and avoided the sweep on sunday hernandez over pelfry , 3 - 1 .

something regarding people looking at webb as bulletproof ? webb did not get his first win at home until may 26th last year , he has done great so far this year and is the teams ace , but ... something to think about maybe . def not bulletproof .

webb is 6 - 0 1.98 era and his team is 6 - 0 when he starts . is 2 - 0 at home .

webb won at the reds 4 - 2 his first start .
webb won at the rockies 7 - 2 his 2nd start .
webb won in ariz 8 - 2 over the rockies .
webb won 4- 1 at the giants .
webb won in ariz 5 - 4 over the giants zito . lol
webb won a masterpiece at padres 2 - 1 over peavy . yikes

well , not like he went into fenway or anything but .... there it is .

chipski · 05-03-08, 04:47 AM

Webb to beat NY on sat ? 3:45 start time

Originally posted by chipski

just saw something I had written down this time last year in early may > mets have beaten dbacks last 9 times when playing in ariz . was a weekend series and mets won first 2 and avoided the sweep on sunday hernandez over pelfry , 3 - 1 .

something regarding people looking at webb as bulletproof ? webb did not get his first win at home until may 26th last year , he has done great so far this year and is the teams ace , but ... something to think about maybe . def not bulletproof .

webb is 6 - 0 1.98 era and his team is 6 - 0 when he starts . is 2 - 0 at home .

webb won at the reds 4 - 2 his first start .
webb won at the rockies 7 - 2 his 2nd start .
webb won in ariz 8 - 2 over the rockies .
webb won 4- 1 at the giants .
webb won in ariz 5 - 4 over the giants zito . lol
webb won a masterpiece at padres 2 - 1 over peavy . yikes

well , not like he went into fenway or anything but .... there it is .

the answer is someway , somehow

chipski · 05-03-08, 04:53 AM

webb lost this exact same time last year to the mets on a sat , but game was at night . 6 - 2
sosa at webb -140 -136

repeat showing in the daytime 10 hrs from now ? probably

unless pelfry is awful , them who knows what momentum will bring in that time and space ..

chipski · 05-03-08, 03:14 PM

webb down 1- 0 just got lucky getting the dp .

chipski · 05-03-08, 06:22 PM

Webb now 7 - 0
dbacks win game 2 of the series . mets bullpen (sanchez gives up 5 runs in 8th snuffing out any hope for mets to come back .
next start thurs at home vs phils myers
start after that is home vs rockies
start after that he may get tigers in ariz .
start at braves

how long can ariz go perfect with webb starting ?

when you least expect it and wager webb it will ...