bedard to seattle seems to be about done with jones/tillman/sherril/prospect coming back to the Os for bedard/throw in. The os turned down roberts/bedard for pie/hill/Gallagher/Murton plus some.
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Here is that link, so no need to click through it.
Roch Around the Clock
By Sun sports reporter Roch Kubatko
January 26, 2008
Erik Bedard
So the Redskins have their offensive and defensive coordinators in place, but they still haven’t hired a head coach.
Isn’t it usually done in reverse?
If Erik Bedard is still listed on the Orioles’ 40-man roster beyond next week, I’ll be very surprised. My crystal ball keeps showing Adam Jones, George Sherrill and Chris Tillman reporting to Fort Lauderdale Stadium. They have another guy with them, but his image is fuzzy.
Then again, that same crystal ball keeps showing Tony Romo and Jessica Simpson smiling and waving from the back of a convertible during a victory parade through the streets of Dallas. And Bill Belichick winning Last Comic Standing. And Peter Schmuck being the anchor on The Sun’s 400 meter relay team.
It also showed Sidney Ponson signing a minor league deal with the Phillies, but now I’m told that won’t happen. No idea where he’s headed.
I really need to get a new crystal ball. Right after I invest in a Wii.
Moving on to the story on Erik Bedard that ran in today’s editions of The Sun, it’s important to note that the left-hander wasn’t angry or agitated during his interview with beat writer Jeff Zrebiec. A more accurate description would be matter-of-fact, and at times playful. He wasn’t fuming or bitter.
Also, it’s obvious that we’re dealing in semantics when it comes to the Orioles’ attempts to sign Bedard to a long-term contract. Bedard indicated that the Orioles haven’t made him an offer. Team president Andy MacPhail said he wanted to discuss a long-term deal with Bedard’s agent, Mark Pieper, who countered that Bedard preferred a one-year deal.
Pieper confirmed in the article that the two sides talked “conceptually” about a three-year contract. That's not an actual offer, but one was in the works. However, since Bedard is signed through 2009, my math tells me that we’re only talking about a one-year extension. No chance.
Bedard doesn’t want to go through a rebuilding process. The Orioles are going through a rebuilding process. He’s as good as gone.
So says this crystal ball. But it also says that the Orioles signed an option agreement to move their spring training site to Rehoboth Beach.
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Since I've got Seattle on a futures bet to win AL, this wouldn't bother me too much for 2008.Comment -
"I just received new information from my Orioles front office contact. Brandon Wood, Kendry Morales, Erick Aybar, Joe Saunders, and Juan Rivera will be going to Baltimore for Erik Bedard. I was told LAA didn't want Bedard going to the Mariners. Moreno didn't want the risk of not making the playoffs. The Orioles are very happy with this package. The Mariners are shocked at the latest development."
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Trade secrets
There are a lot of denials out there, but major league sources are still indicating that the Cubs are listening to talk about a blockbuster deal that would send Baltimore ace Erik Bedard and second baseman Brian Roberts to Chicago for a truckload of younger players/prospects. The Cubs are also entertaining the thought of dealing former Sox farmhand Matt Murton to San Diego. Towers said, "We're trying to add another outfielder, a younger guy we can have under our control for a while."Comment -
source:
[IMG]The deal with LAA will be announced sometime next week. BAL called LAA and a few other teams and told them about SEA's final offer. LAA made a late bid. BAL had talks with LAA before about Bedard, but nothing serious. SEA wasn't willing to pony up all the players BAL wanted from them. BAL wanted Jones, Triunfel, Clement, and Sherrill, but SEA wasn't willing to part with Jones and Triunfel in the same package. SEA wanted to replace Triunfel with Tillman, but BAL wouldn't budge. I'm not allowed to go public with this trade yet, there's a pending Roberts trade with another team.[/IMG]
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Now the post on the Seattle Times forum
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thomas1492
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Location: Lynnwood, WA
Some huge news folks... [Sun Jan 27, 2008 9:09 am]
This source is very accurate by the way, she does travel for the M's players, and she has told me about 3 days ahead of time when Carlos Silva got signed, when we signed Washburn, and also way back in the day when we hired Melvin to be our manager.
So accoriding to this source, Adam Jones and two other players have received plane tickets to go to Baltimore immediately. I do not know the other players but Adam Jones for sure.
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remove hyperlink for dierkes e-mail address
Fake Bedard Rumor
Hi everyone, Tim Dierkes here. There is a weird fake rumor going about, being propagated by someone pretending to be me. I am not sure what email address it comes from, but it claims some kind of Erik Bedard/Angels nonsense. It's 100% fake and wasn't sent by me.
The only thing I ever send to my mailing list subscribers are exact copies of the posts on MLBTR, nothing else. And my email address is dierkes@gmail.com.
Posted on January 27, 2008 at 03:19 PM | Permalink | Comments (0) | TrackBack (0)
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adam Jones not in lineup for Cardenales again. maybe this time the deal is done.Comment -
Mofo, edited your post just to remove the e-mail hyperlink for Dierkes, at least keep friggin' bots from e-mailing him through our site.
Interesting stuff. I'm tempted to ask the Mrs. to look up some of the other names it might be to see if they have any confirmed plane tickets into Bawlmer. Getting Jones and Clement is a positive return for the O's. Sherrill's not bad, but you got to remember he's early 30s already. If I was Seattle I wouldn't want to part with both Jones and Triunfel in the same deal either, would offer Truinfel myself and try to keep Jones.Comment -
sounds good bud, thank you.
just those 3 would be decent, but im hoping the os pull truinfel or tillman with jones and clement. i dont think they will, but its possible. chen is a completely useless piece, imo. as for sherrill, there are rumors that he'd be turned over for Lillibridge of the braves, but those are just rumors.
jones
truinfel
clement
tillman
i think thats how the os rank those guys from top to bottom. if they can pull 3 of'em, for bedard, we'll be happy in Baltimore. That being said, Jones/tillman/chen/sherril is what i think is coming back.Comment -
The Reds could have competed this year if they gave up Bruce to get him.Comment -
the reds are the partner that made the most sense. the reds are favored over anyone in the nl, in game 1, of any playoff series if they have bedard. they've been brining up OF prospects for years and they dont win, it seems that this would have been a great time to make a move. granted bruce is an amazing prospect, but bedard would be the cy young fav in the nl. a package with bruce for a package with bedard would have been great for both teams, imo.
votto, bailey, cueto, hamilton and edwin were other guys that were talked about, but cinci went in another direction. i think they lost that deal with texas, i dont think they're run very well.Comment -
mariners fans think something is up:
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I am watching the game on espn deportes and i can confirm that Jones isn't in the lineup but i heard the commentators say some interesting things.
1) Jones has been completely taken off the roster by cardenales.
2) Jones leaving the team was a huge surprise.
3) It wasn't Jones decision to leave.
With the earlier rumors today and these developments i think you guys will finally trade Bedard soon. Again this isn't just a taking a day off thing and that doesn't make sense in the 4th game of the championship series anyway. Jones isn't in venezuela right now from what i heard and his team has taken him off the roster.
from a poster on the orioles hang out.
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sounds like bedard to the Ms is done. Roberts to the cubs is as well. i believe Bedard will be gone in the next 24 hours.
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cubs really want both, i guess they dont have enough to get it done.Comment -
Churchill:
"Be surprised if a deal isn’t announced by Thursday. Don’t be surprised if a deal is announced officially tomorrow afternoon.
But they did remove him once. And he went back in. At the very least, the Mariners believe they are very close.
Still, the latest I’m getting is that McPhail wants a fourth player. Jones-Tillman-Sherrill on the table as the Mariners best and final offer.
Not sure whether the fourth player will happen or not, but it won’t be a premium guy like Triunfel or Clement."Comment -
Adam Jones and Erik Bedard, Quantified
By: Dave and filed under Mariners
Time is not on my side, so I won’t be able to go into as much detail on this as I would like, but with the Bedard rumors picking up steam again, I figured I should put this out there. What follows is my calculations of the value of Adam Jones and Erik Bedard from a win value standpoint. You don’t have to believe that this is the be-all, end-all of analysis, but if you’re serious about having an opinion on this issue that anyone should care about, you at least have to understand what win value analysis is telling you. If the Mariners aren’t looking at this kind of information (and, let’s be honest, they’re not), they’re not doing enough work to figure out if acquiring Erik Bedard at the cost of Adam Jones is a move worth making.
Here’s the basic concept - every player adds a quantifiable amount of wins to the roster above what could be expected of a league minimum, freely available player. Those wins have tangible economic value - the more wins a player generates, the more they should be paid. But players also cost money in terms of salary, and the difference between their win value and their cost is their net value. We all make these kinds of decisions every day - gas costs $3 a gallon, but it gets me to work so that I can earn $100 a day, so buying gas is a viable economic decision if you have to drive to get to your job unless you live really far away.
So, here’s what the numbers say, based on a conservative estimate of Jones’ abilities (I project him as a league average player this year with small, incremental improvements through 2013, his last year under Mariner control) and a very optimistic estimate of Bedard’s abilities (basically, he retains almost all of his 2007 form, then resigns with the Mariners to a 3 year, $60 million contract after 2009). The variables have all been tilted in favor of Bedard, because I like to present something like the best case scenario for the side I don’t agree with, especially when I think the issue is this cut and dried.
All that said, here are the numbers (I’ll try to post the calculations later when I have time to make a table look decent).
Adam Jones, 2008 net value: $8.7 million
Erik Bedard, 2008 net value: $12.5 million
Adam Jones, 2009 net value: $14.0 million
Erik Bedard, 2009 net value: $9.0 million
Adam Jones, 2008-2013 net value: $61.0 million
Erik Bedard, 2008-2013 net value: $33.1 million (assumes 3 year, $60 million extension after ‘09)
In terms of value added to the Mariners franchise over the next six years, it’s not even close. Jones blows Bedard out of the water even in a scenario where Bedard is projected to be the significantly better player (I’ve got the total wins added from ‘08-’13 at 17 for Jones and 26 for Bedard). Even if you only look at the next two years, Jones is expected to outvalue Bedard $22.75 million to $21.5 million.
Even if Adam Jones was a free agent after 2009, given their respective abilities and salaries, I wouldn’t trade Adam Jones for Erik Bedard straight up. The fact that the Mariners then control Jones from 2010 to 2013 makes this an obviously horrible trade.
I’m all for acquiring Erik Bedard, and I’d give up practically the whole farm system to get him. But Adam Jones is the kind of player that good organizations just don’t trade. He’s one of the most valuable players in the game, and by himself, more valuable to the club than Erik Bedard.
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BALTIMORE -- Phase two of Baltimore's rebuilding project appears to be complete, with the Orioles reportedly sending Erik Bedard to the Mariners for a package headlined by center fielder Adam Jones. The news leaked out from Venezuela on Sunday night, complete with word that Jones is heading to Baltimore to undergo a physical examination.
Jones, who had been playing winter ball in Venezuela, apparently told a reporter for Diario Panorama that he has been dealt and that Baltimore is his destination. The Seattle Times obtained the quotes and published them in a blog item, and an MLB.com reporter has since confirmed that Jones is on his way back to the United States.
"I've got to go to Baltimore tomorrow morning and handle things there," Jones reportedly said. "I'm the centerpiece of the deal on the Mariners' side. It's an honor to get traded for such a highly talented pitcher as Bedard."
However, Andy MacPhail, Baltimore's president of baseball operations, told a local reporter something else entirely.
"We do not have an agreement with the Mariners," MacPhail told the Baltimore Sun.
If in fact the deal is done, Bedard, who's under contractual control for two more seasons, joins Miguel Tejada as the second big name dealt by the Orioles this winter. Bedard was the subject of feverish negotiations all winter that involved more than a handful of teams and was seriously coveted by the Reds, Mets and Dodgers.
Any deal would require physical examinations for all the players involved and may not necessarily be finalized until later in the week. Bedard, who has had Tommy John surgery on his pitching elbow in the past and missed last September with an oblique injury, has thrown at least 180 innings and won 13 games in each of the last two seasons.
Jones, who hit .314 with 25 home runs and 84 RBIs for Triple-A Tacoma, was named Seattle's Minor League Player of the Year. That was the second time he's earned the designation in his brief career. Jones, a former first-round Draft pick, made his big league debut before his 21st birthday and has hit .230 in 139 Major League at-bats.
Hot Stove
Last week, Seattle general manager Bill Bavasi told reporters that he'd made his best offer and expected a deal to get done. The rest of the package in return seems murky, but Baltimore is known to have interest in southpaw reliever George Sherrill and right-handed pitching prospect Chris Tillman, Seattle's Minor League Pitcher of the Year.
Bedard, who went 13-5 with a 3.16 ERA last year, would immediately solidfy Seattle's rotation. He'd also leave the Orioles without a true ace, but Baltimore has several younger arms capable of earning a back-end slot. The three starters with guaranteed jobs -- Jeremy Guthrie, Adam Loewen and Daniel Cabrera -- have combined for a 55-60 career record.
Once the Bedard issue is finalized, Baltimore will likely turn its attention to trading second baseman Brian Roberts, who has been heavily pursued by the Cubs this winter. The Orioles are planning a complete rebuild to stem the tide of 10 straight losing seasons, a process that may require the team bottoming out this year in order to point toward 2009.
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Jones still out of the country? no deal done yet?
By Shannon Drayer
This trade is not going to happen quickly. While all indications are that the process is well underway one of the major pieces is not yet in the country.
Just heard from Adam Jones via email. Said that he is still in Venezuela but obeying orders from his MLB team and not playing. He says that he said nothing about being traded to the Venezuelan press. Something may have been lost in translation somewhere. Like the last time he was pulled from the lineup by the Mariners, Adam says he does not know what is going on, and that with his winter league team in the finals, it sucks to not be able to help them.
Confused yet? Add to this George Sherrill's denial of being instructed to report to Baltimore for a physical it would appear that we got wind of this trade in the very early stages. Things most likely are still being hammered out and players won't be getting on planes until they do.
Now other than confirmations we have received earlier, the clearest signal that this is approaching the final stages is that if Jayson Stark of ESPN's source is correct, Peter Angelos was informed of the particulars of the deal Sunday night. If it is on his desk then we are in the home stretch.
Of course Angelos is famous for nixing trades so nothing is sure at this time. As always, will keep you posted as I learn more.Comment -
Sounds like Angelos is getting cold feet and MacPhail is possibly about the learn the cold hard truth of just how little Angelos lets his baseball people handle the business...
http://msn.foxsports.com/mlb/story/7726024?MSNHPHMA
The Mariners' quest to land Orioles lefty Erik Bedard is on hold — and possibly off — due to the involvement of O's owner Peter Angelos, according to major-league sources.Comment
