I originally didn't think he belonged, but i've long since switched to the other side now and believe he does. He got 287 wins and played most of his career with awful teams. Saying that, if he had got to 300 wins he'd have been in a long time ago. If he had played on some half decent teams in his career he would have got to 300 and 300 is the automatic number. Add in all the K's (5th all time) with the nastiest curve in the last 30 years and i think he's long overdue. I can certainly accept those arguments against his induction, just wonder what some of you guys think about his denial to the Hall so far.
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I think your right cobra king... He does deserve entrance to the HOF.He has been overlook forever it seems like, and thats still with him being in the limelight too. Because he is the Twins announcer.
Another argument we could have would be Jim Rice. Just look at that guys numbers in an non-steroids environment. They were extremely impressive!Comment -
Agree with Bert Blyleven being Hall worthy.Comment -
Yeah, I've got to agree Cobra. Man, he did play with some crappy teams, didn't he? Talk about being mired in the .500 zone at best. Another thing about Bert is that pretty much every season there will be some game where a pitcher will snap off a great curveball, and the announcer will say something along the lines of: "I haven't seen a ball break like that since the days of Bery Blyleven".Comment -
Blyleven, Morris, Rice and Dawson are all on the bubble for me. I certainly don't think they'd dumb down the Hall of Fame as some suggest their enshrinement would. Where is Skip Clueless these days anyway? My guess would be he's at some cosmetics counter trying the latest rouge out.
But before anyone else gets into Cooperstown, the one guy that should be there is Ron Santo. I will never understand why that guy's not there already.Comment -
Rice might not have been on steroids, but the ballpark he got to play in sure was.Originally posted by bigboydanComment -
If we use that ballpark logic on all players, then we'll have to exorcise the enshrinments of all hitters who passed through the Polo Grounds along the way and all pitchers who took to the mound in the Astrodome. Fenway giveth and it taketh away.Comment -
Not sure where you're getting that "ballpark logic" from.Comment -
Sorry, did I misinterpret your previous post? Was that not some reference to Fenway being an easy park for hitters to pad their stats?Originally posted by matskralc
Rice might not have been on steroids, but the ballpark he got to play in sure was.Comment -
Originally posted by Willie Bee
WB,
I interpreted it the same way. So, if you were wrong, I was right there with ya', brother!
Yeah, how many HR's would Willie Mays have hit if he hadn't played almost his whole career in terrible HR ball parks?
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The first few years of Mays' career, he played in what was pretty much the equivalent of today's Minute Maid Park. The Polo Grounds had a very short porch down the line in left and the deepest center field going then. For instance, Bobby Thomson's homer to win the 1951 NL Pennant in the famous playoffs with the Dodgers, that shot probably would have been off the Monstah at Fenway.
People, at those who are ill-informed, will hear Minute Maid Park and immediately spout just what some taling head has burned into their brain, that being a pop fly to left in Houston is a home run. Not true.
The Astrodome, in the final few seasons it was being used for baseball, was just 325 down the lines with just a 10' fence to clear from the foul poles inward about 30 feet or so. I spent a lot of time during the 1996-99 seasons down in that left field corner where they installed a little place called Lefty's Pub (free peanuts!). Line drives down the line that went out in the Astrodome then would not go out at Minute Maid Park today where it is 315 to the LF pole with a 21' high fence.
Balls that land from the fourth row back in those LF seats at Minute Maid today would have cleared the higher part of the wall in left in the Astrodome (landing in the Mezzanine level for those familiar with the place). And the deep CF dimension at Minute Maid today take more homers away from hitters than the number of balls that land in the first three rows of today's Crawford Boxes in left.Comment -
Bert is not a HOF but the class of 2009 first timers is not strong, Ricky Henderson will be on the ballot for the first time and should get in.
But no other first timers shouldComment -
I live in Minnesota and hear Blylevens voice for 150 televised games in a season. The only thing more annoying than him for years circling fans that bring "circle me Bert" signs or his over the edge cheesy humor is the fact that he is constantly whining about never getting voted into the hall of fame. The guilt trip he puts on the hall voters gets more pathetic each season. I hear that people who vote for the hall of fame watch baseball games. This is what Blyleven gets for being such a conceded (patron my terminology) cry baby.Comment -
First off, Welcome to the SBR forumOriginally posted by rays2009
I couldn't agree anymore with this statement even if ya paid me. However, I still feel he deserves to be in the HOF for what he accomplished in the era he played in.Comment
