Lotta Steam on the White Sox

reverend · 04-23-10, 11:53 AM

I saw that. makes me think someone knows something we dont...

kidk · 04-23-10, 11:54 AM

i like the sox tonight huge!!!!

orangeman51 · 04-23-10, 12:05 PM

I got on Seattle last night at +105 thinking the public would see Floyd's 9.00 era and start pounding the mariners. Quite surprised to see Seattle has moved to +135, and trying to figure out why. Only thing I can come up with is Floyd's 3.00 era at home this year so far. I'm still liking my mariners pick, just wish I had waited 12 hours to put it in.

Rio DiNero · 04-23-10, 12:43 PM

CWS are in desperation mode, this is a must win series, as they have not won a series all year. Floyd is a home pitcher, he has a big time home/away split. I'll lean toward the Sox to break out in this series.

Maester Rigo · 04-23-10, 12:47 PM

I dont trust the Sox Im going Mariners. All everyone said last week when they played the Indians is Sox Sox Sox and they got swept BADLY. I dont see what everyone else see's in the Sux

But GL to all you on the Sox

Salmon Steak · 04-23-10, 12:58 PM

I learned never to take the White sox this season. I think 0-3 when taking chicago. don't do it. If anything go seatlle or o/u.

MLBStreakbuilda · 04-23-10, 01:02 PM

I just played the over here, I'm waiting on Sox' bats too, they just have to start taking some pitches, man a walk every now and then...isn't so bad Chicago, really you should take some pitches every once in a while!

Flight · 04-23-10, 02:30 PM

I'm not overthinking this one.

Mariners +120

Bob Loblaw · 04-23-10, 02:35 PM

Floyd's a completely different pitcher at home

Over the last 3 years

Home - 16-6 3.06 era
Road - 12-15 5.17 era

White Sox as a team are 24-7 over the last 3 years in Floyd started games at home

Rowland-Smith sports a 5.40 road era in 1 start this year and a 5.22 road era in 15 starts last year

MLBStreakbuilda · 04-23-10, 02:38 PM

yup, you're on to something here, but -147...

Bob Loblaw · 04-23-10, 02:43 PM

Originally posted by MLBStreakbuilda

yup, you're on to something here, but -147...

-147 on a team that's 24-7 over the last 3 years when Floyd starts at home isn't too bad. Especially considering the opposing pitcher has has his road struggles and the opposing offense isn't anything special.

What worries me is a walk/single to Ichiro, Figgins, and a few others is basically a double or triple because Floyd/AJ aren't stopping those guys from stealing with ease.

Bob Loblaw · 04-23-10, 02:45 PM

Originally posted by Bob Loblaw

-147 on a team that's 24-7 over the last 3 years when Floyd starts at home isn't too bad. Especially considering the opposing pitcher has has his road struggles and the opposing offense isn't anything special. What worries me is a walk/single to Ichiro, Figgins, and a few others is basically a double or triple because Floyd/AJ aren't stopping those guys from stealing with ease.

Actually, I think Donny Lucy will be behind the plate. Either way, Floyd's the guy they will be stealing off of, not the catcher

bretb27 · 04-23-10, 03:16 PM

you just contradicted the **** outta yourself. Floyd has been god awful this year, the white sox are slumping worse than the other sox, and rowland smith is solid. seattle at +money is the play

FireMedic1614 · 04-23-10, 03:35 PM

its raining out here in chicago just fyi

Bob Loblaw · 04-23-10, 03:51 PM

Originally posted by bretb27

you just contradicted the **** outta yourself. Floyd has been god awful this year, the white sox are slumping worse than the other sox, and rowland smith is solid. seattle at +money is the play

How did I contradict myself?

Has Floyd been "god awful" this year or has he been "god awful" on the road? Big difference. He allowed 2 runs in 6 innings while striking out 7 in his one home start.

I love your Rowland-Smith reasoning too. He's solid. Can't get better reasoning than that. If you think Rowland-Smith is solid while Floyd isn't, then you need to stop betting baseball. Btw, only 2 of Rowland-Smiths 8 road starts over the last 2 years have been quality starts. And in all honesty quality starts aren't even that difficult to get. You could have a 4.50 era for the game and still pick up a quality start and this "solid" pitcher only managed to do it twice in eight games. On the other side, 11 of Floyd's last 12 starts at home have been quality.

Sox are slumping but if you think they havent slumped multiple times in the last few years while Floyd took the mound at home and still came away with a win, then you're wrong. 24-7.

Stats don't lie.

orangeheaven · 04-23-10, 03:54 PM

Don't even bother with this game, this will get rained out.

FireMedic1614 · 04-23-10, 04:14 PM

rains only light right now on and off but we will see

orangeman51 · 04-23-10, 06:07 PM

Originally posted by Bob Loblaw

How did I contradict myself? Has Floyd been "god awful" this year or has he been "god awful" on the road? Big difference. He allowed 2 runs in 6 innings while striking out 7 in his one home start. I love your Rowland-Smith reasoning too. He's solid. Can't get better reasoning than that. If you think Rowland-Smith is solid while Floyd isn't, then you need to stop betting baseball. Btw, only 2 of Rowland-Smiths 8 road starts over the last 2 years have been quality starts. And in all honesty quality starts aren't even that difficult to get. You could have a 4.50 era for the game and still pick up a quality start and this "solid" pitcher only managed to do it twice in eight games. On the other side, 11 of Floyd's last 12 starts at home have been quality. Sox are slumping but if you think they havent slumped multiple times in the last few years while Floyd took the mound at home and still came away with a win, then you're wrong. 24-7. Stats don't lie.

Might be worth noting that Floyd's one home start was against the Indians. The Indians are 2nd worst in MLB for batting average right now. Floyd also got destroyed by MLB's 2nd worst hitting team on the road. By the way, who's the one team with a worse BA than the Indians? Chi Sox. Mariners ftw.

Bob Loblaw · 04-23-10, 06:29 PM

Originally posted by orangeman51

Might be worth noting that Floyd's one home start was against the Indians. The Indians are 2nd worst in MLB for batting average right now. Floyd also got destroyed by MLB's 2nd worst hitting team on the road. By the way, who's the one team with a worse BA than the Indians? Chi Sox. Mariners ftw.

Thus magnifying the difference even more of Floyd home/road. At home he holds the Indians in check. On the road he gets lit up by the same Indian team.

orangeman51 · 04-23-10, 06:56 PM

Originally posted by Bob Loblaw

Thus magnifying the difference even more of Floyd home/road. At home he holds the Indians in check. On the road he gets lit up by the same Indian team.

I'd be wary of picking a team like the white sox just because the SP threw a decent game against a weak offense. Also, rowland-smith went 6 inn with 4 hits and 2 ERs against the tigers. Those numbers are almost identical to Floyd's home game against the Indians, but tigers are 5th in mlb for BA.

Not trying to insult you, just pointing out some facts. BOL to you. too bad we both can't win.

Bob Loblaw · 04-23-10, 10:35 PM

Originally posted by orangeman51

I'd be wary of picking a team like the white sox just because the SP threw a decent game against a weak offense. Also, rowland-smith went 6 inn with 4 hits and 2 ERs against the tigers. Those numbers are almost identical to Floyd's home game against the Indians, but tigers are 5th in mlb for BA.

Not trying to insult you, just pointing out some facts. BOL to you. too bad we both can't win.

No insults intended on my part either, just trying to give info.

I guess we cap games differently. There is a big difference between home/road for a lot of pitchers in the league. Rowland-Smith and Floyd are 2 of them. So Rowland-Smith's game vs the Tigers this year is irrelevant to me as he is typically very good at home vs most teams but he doesn't get it done on the road. In fact 8 out of his last 9 starts at home have been quality starts and the one non-quality start was very close to it giving up 4 runs in 7 innings. Those quality starts included the Yankees, Rays, and Rangers among others. Its no coincidence that Rowland-Smith put together 8 of 9 quality starts at home but after tonight has now failed to record a quality start in 7 out of 9 on the road the last 2 years. I'm looking at his road games only because he is completely different away from home. Also if you want to bring up what he did at home vs the tigers this year then go back to last year and look what he did vs the tigers in Detroit. He gave up 5 runs in 5.1ip.

Floyd was one out away from picking up his 12th quality start out of his last 13 home games but his bullpen couldn't pick him up giving up a 2 out grand slam that made it about a foot over the wall. So just because his rotation spot happened to land vs a weak offense this year doesn't make his previous 2 years at home vs good and bad offenses irrelevant. Sox are now 25-7 in Floyd started home games since 2008 and yet just 13-22 in Floyd started road games over the same timeframe. No coincidence there, Floyd is just a much better pitcher at home.

Sox won tonight but I won't lie, I didn't have them. I had the under which was a loser.