Top 10 Pitchers?

[Andy117]

josh johnson is a verducci guy this year - i can see him being affected.....hes a DO NOT DRAFT in my Fantasy leagues..

The Verducci effect is kind of nonsense. He included pitchers like Yovani Gallardo a year ago as evidence of it because he was hurt, he tore his ACL, not exactly a pitching injury.

http://firebrandal.com/2010/02/18/verducci-effect-uses-more-circumstantial-evidence.html

[tat1980]

All these sleeper lists and no sign of Liriano? He is a stud bottom line he will rebound and have a nice yr.

[teaserpleaser]

king felix

[Dexter]

The Verducci effect is kind of nonsense. He included pitchers like Yovani Gallardo a year ago as evidence of it because he was hurt, he tore his ACL, not exactly a pitching injury.

http://firebrandal.com/2010/02/18/ve...-evidence.html

you bring up one example which i agree with your point. go take a look at all the other pitchers that have been affected. its logical, and makes sense with how much pitchers are babied in the minors.

[Andy117]

you bring up one example which i agree with your point. go take a look at all the other pitchers that have been affected. its logical, and makes sense with how much pitchers are babied in the minors.

I've looked a lot at the Verducci effect and have come to the conclusion that it is nonsense. Lots of pitchers break down every season not just those under 25 who go up 30 innings from the year before.

[TheLock]

LOL @ Josh Johnsons name not being on this list.

Apparently these lists are not stat based lists.

[Chugs]

[U]

Top 10 Sleepers:

1) Clay Buchholz
2) Ricky Nolasco
3) Clayton Kershaw
4) Wade Davis
5) Brett Anderson
6) Rick Porcello
7) Brian Matusz
8) Tommy Hanson
9) Manny Parra
10) Johnny Cueto

Just missed: Price, Holland, Latos, Hellickson

Yeah I like this sleepers list ... Nolasco had an under the radar huge second half of the season.

[EXhoosier10]

I think a better list would be top 10 sleepers. Everyone knows Lincecum is a stud and the lines will fully price that in. However, finding the next breakout pitcher before his first ESPN cover will produce a tidy profit. Here is my top 10 undervalued pitchers in no particular order: Brett Anderson Ricky Nolasco Kris Medlen Max Scherzer Matt Garza Kevin Slowey Scott Baker Jorge De La Rosa Chris Volstad Jeff Niemann

Top 10 Best Pitchers: 1) Lincecum 2) Halladay 3) Greinke 4) Verlander 5) King Felix 6) Sabathia 7) Haren 8) Carpenter 9) Beckett 10) Wainwright Top 10 Sleepers: 1) Clay Buchholz 2) Ricky Nolasco 3) Clayton Kershaw 4) Wade Davis 5) Brett Anderson 6) Rick Porcello 7) Brian Matusz 8) Tommy Hanson 9) Manny Parra 10) Johnny Cueto Just missed: Price, Holland, Latos, Hellickson

I like these 2 lists... People should definitely pay attention to these guys.

[BigPapa62]

I like two young guns in David Price and Tommy Hanson

[TenBagger]

There has been research done recently that discredits the Verducci effect. I have been a strong believer in it, but after reading the research, I'm much more skeptical. That said, I still think big IP increases from young arms deserve a downgrade.

[robmpink]

#1 Halladay
#2 Sabathia
#3 Pot Head from SF
#4Santana
#5 Verlander

[Doc JS]

1) Mariano Rivera (Yankees)
2) Johan Santana (Mets)
3) A. J. Burnett (Yankees)
4) Tim Lincencum (Giants)
5) Cole Hamels (Phillies)
6)Roy Halladay (Blue Jays)
7) Josh Beckett (Sox)

Others sucks

wow...anyone who has AJ Burnett in front of Tim Lincecum needs serious help...

And Cole Hamels???

GMAFB!!!!

[Doc JS]

#1 Halladay
#2 Sabathia
#3 Pot Head from SF#4Santana
#5 Verlander

That would be two-time Cy Young Winner to you...

[whatsgood5]

wow...anyone who has AJ Burnett in front of Tim Lincecum needs serious help... And Cole Hamels??? GMAFB!!!!

Don't pay attention to that guy, he didn't know teams played split-squad games in ST, very clueless.

[Shelton]

tommy hanson is nasty braves back to the post season

[whatsgood5]

tommy hanson is nasty braves back to the post season

Yessir, that's what I'm hopin' for. If we can stay healthy we'll be fine.

[robmpink]

That would be two-time Cy Young Winner to you...

I couldn't remember how to spell his name and didn't want to do a search.

[robmpink]

tommy hanson is nasty braves back to the post season

No way! They don't win the division and they won't win the wild card.

[daneblazer]

Top 10 SP

1. Lincecum
2. Halladay
3. Greinke
4. Felix Hernandez
5. Sabathia
6. Verlander
7. Haren
8. Hanson
9. Johan Santana
10. Josh Johnson

I think Hanson takes the next step this season.

[whatsgood5]

No way! They don't win the division and they won't win the wild card.

I'd agree that the division is highly unlikely, but Wild Card is very possible.

[daneblazer]

Phillie has more problems that you think. Their bullpen has the potential to be a grease fire. While Halladay will be a stud, everyone else in that rotation could implode. I'm not saying they aren't a good team cause they are, but they have their problems.

[robmpink]

Phillie has more problems that you think. Their bullpen has the potential to be a grease fire. While Halladay will be a stud, everyone else in that rotation could implode. I'm not saying they aren't a good team cause they are, but they have their problems.

C'mon! Yes they could implode, but so could anyone else. Are you saying the Braves rotation can't implode either? The Mets?

[robmpink]

Lidge will get it together this year.

[daneblazer]

Lidge will get it together this year.

that's some blind faith based on last and this years stats & activities...and with Lidge himself showing doubt in his own health this season faith is all that we can have in him.

[TenBagger]

Johan is going to decline greatly this year. In fact, he declined greatly last year but that was masked by good fortune.

[ttwarrior1]

look for hamels to rebound and scott baker to have a 1.20 whip or better with 15 wins minimum

[EXhoosier10]

Johan is going to decline greatly this year. In fact, he declined greatly last year but that was masked by good fortune.

Check out some real research and you'll see that his poor year was not masked by good fortune. Also, he claimed he couldn't extend fully on his pitches last year, which caused him to throw half as many changeups to lefties as 2008. Do you know which pitch of Johan's is best?

[Muddy]

C. Kershaw will be fun to watch

[jillmark]

Halladay and Lincecum are at the top. It can vary from year to year. Halladay I think the best because he does it year in and year out.

[TenBagger]

Check out some real research and you'll see that his poor year was not masked by good fortune. Also, he claimed he couldn't extend fully on his pitches last year, which caused him to throw half as many changeups to lefties as 2008. Do you know which pitch of Johan's is best?

His skills decline was "masked" in part by his ERA which was substantially better than his xERA. I'm not quite sure if we are in agreement here since all I can gather from your post is a condescending tone, but if I'm reading it right and you expect Johan to do well this year, I'll be more than happy to bet you SBR points on an over/under on his ERA.

[CFA]

His skills decline was "masked" in part by his ERA which was substantially better than his xERA. I'm not quite sure if we are in agreement here since all I can gather from your post is a condescending tone, but if I'm reading it right and you expect Johan to do well this year, I'll be more than happy to bet you SBR points on an over/under on his ERA.

count me in on the Over for the max on anything set below 3.50

[CFA]

Tell me who you guys think the top 10 pitchers are coming into this season? List them in order..

Rather silly to draft up a top ten list without first defining "top pitcher". What is your measurement for this label?

[MC PICKS]

1. Lincecum
2. Halladay
3. Greinke
4. Sabathia
5. Carpenter
6. Hernandez
7. Haren
8. Lee
9. Santana
10. Wainwright

[rob11234]

Top 10 starters, in no particular order with the exception of Webb, whose at the bottom due to injury.

Tim Lincecum
Zach Greinke
Cliff Lee
Roy Halladay
Felix Hernandez
Chris Carpenter
Johan Santana
CC Sabiathia
Justin Verlander
Brandon Webb

[whatsgood5]

C. Kershaw will be fun to watch

Love this guy, dad's a Dodgers fan so always root for them when it has no relation to the Braves of course. His curve is sick