BONDSWATCH - 27th July 2007

MonkeyF0cker · 07-27-07, 09:41 PM

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tacomax · 07-27-07, 09:47 PM

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MonkeyF0cker · 07-27-07, 09:57 PM

I don't see how this article has any relevance. Barry Bonds has no color barrier to hide behind. The asterisk is merely due to performance enhancing drug usage, which is illegal. The people who played prior to 1947 were not breaking any rules of the game. The big difference is: Bonds did.

onlooker · 07-27-07, 10:08 PM

Hey, Thanks for the update Taco.

I am sure Dan is jumping for joy.

tacomax · 07-27-07, 10:11 PM

Although the article comes from BlackAmericaWeb and it does highlight a racial issue, that's not the strict point of the article. It's saying that if you want an asterisk by Bonds, you could equally put them against other players. And Willie Bee added that there are further ones you add.

And, as I repeat ad nauseum, if Bonds did take steroids when they were legal in baseball who's at fault - Bonds or baseball? If there's one asterisk there should be in baseball, it should be against Bud Selig.

bigboydan · 07-27-07, 10:25 PM

You know exactly what I'm gonna say about this one Taco.

I can't wait till Bonds gets busted by the feds in the fall.

MonkeyF0cker · 07-27-07, 10:33 PM

The record isn't a big deal anyway. A-Rod or Pujols will be smashing it within a decade regardless.

area51steve · 07-28-07, 01:07 AM

I don't care for Barry Bonds as much as the next man but you have to consider how many players in MLB history that have took steroids and have never came close to breaking the HR record. Bonds is still a great talent regardless of how large his head and arms have gotten. I also agree that one day that record will be crushed by an honest player that never took steroids. Just don't know when..

The HG · 07-28-07, 01:16 AM

I love Bonds and I don't think the steroid stuff detracts from his greatness in any way. Didn't Caminiti and Canseco say that 50% of players took them, and then 85%?? If that's true, then how come no one else came close to Bonds' greatness? Who else was ever treated with the same kind of fear Bonds was and continues to be treated with at the plate? I'm no era-to-era stat cruncher, but I'm sure someone has done this. How many other players were as far ahead of the rest of the pack as Bonds was in his great years? Maybe Ruth, I seem to recall seeing something to that effect. But no one else, not Mays, Mantle, certainly not Aaron, no one really. I'd be interested to see an argument for anyone else who came close, except for Ruth.

But this record this might take weeks now. He's going to get 3-4 walks per game from here on in until he breaks it. He's going to have all 0-for-1, 4 BB games for a while now.

area51steve · 07-28-07, 01:35 AM

Originally posted by Ganchrow HG

I love Bonds and I don't think the steroid stuff detracts from his greatness in any way. Didn't Caminiti and Canseco say that 50% of players took them, and then 85%?? If that's true, then how come no one else came close to Bonds' greatness? Who else was ever treated with the same kind of fear Bonds was and continues to be treated with at the plate? I'm no era-to-era stat cruncher, but I'm sure someone has done this. How many other players were as far ahead of the rest of the pack as Bonds was in his great years? Maybe Ruth, I seem to recall seeing something to that effect. But no one else, not Mays, Mantle, certainly not Aaron, no one really. I'd be interested to see an argument for anyone else who came close, except for Ruth.

But this record this might take weeks now. He's going to get 3-4 walks per game from here on in until he breaks it. He's going to have all 0-for-1, 4 BB games for a while now.

I agree with you 100%

tacomax · 07-28-07, 01:46 AM

Originally posted by Ganchrow HG

I'm no era-to-era stat cruncher, but I'm sure someone has done this. How many other players were as far ahead of the rest of the pack as Bonds was in his great years? Maybe Ruth, I seem to recall seeing something to that effect. But no one else, not Mays, Mantle, certainly not Aaron, no one really. I'd be interested to see an argument for anyone else who came close, except for Ruth.

Ignore his "great" years. And assume if, and that's an if, he did use any steroids (which were legal in baseball anyway) he's not using them now.

This season, he's not far away from A-Rod in terms of HRs per at bat. A-Rod is the greatest player in baseball, or so I keep getting told, and he's 10+ years older than Bonds. Anyone who can do something like that at the age of 43 must be considered way ahead of the pack.

MonkeyF0cker · 07-28-07, 01:48 AM

Honestly, I think Bonds has more players nipping at his heels than Ruth or Aaron. Other than Bonds, 3 of the top 8 players on the all time HR list are from the current generation, with McGwire being the only one retired. Sosa and Griffey are still active. A-Rod and Pujols are surrounded by other bats too. So they don't get as much attention from pitchers as Bonds does. In SF, he has been just about the only big offensive threat on that team for years. Also, had Griffey not been hurt 30% of his career, he'd probably have more HRs than Bonds does currently - without the juice. Bonds was just lucky enough to stay healthy. Like I said before, should either A-Rod or Pujols stay healthy, I believe they will easily surpass Bonds' record anyway. He was a good player before the juice and more than likely a Hall of Famer. He should have just been satisfied with that. It just takes a lot away from the record. You just really can't be sure how much it influenced it.