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  • Senator7
    SBR MVP
    • 08-20-05
    • 1559

    #1
    Mark Buerhle...
    ...has given up 1 hit through 5 innings and is losing 1-0.

    Unbelievable...
  • AC1318
    SBR Hall of Famer
    • 10-09-06
    • 6712

    #2
    Originally posted by Senator7
    ...has given up 1 hit through 5 innings and is losing 1-0.

    Unbelievable...
    I wouldn't even be concerned the reliever is coming in I am sure wsox will score 6 or 7 runs either now or in the 9th
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    • Senator7
      SBR MVP
      • 08-20-05
      • 1559

      #3
      Make that a 1 hitter thru 7 innings...

      Its better to be right and lose than to be wrong and win...
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      • AC1318
        SBR Hall of Famer
        • 10-09-06
        • 6712

        #4
        2 hits 2 homers You couldn't have known nor would have guessed. Good luck on the remaning of plays.
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        • The HG
          SBR MVP
          • 11-01-06
          • 3566

          #5
          Originally posted by Senator7
          Make that a 1 hitter thru 7 innings...

          Its better to be right and lose than to be wrong and win...

          With all due respect Senator, I don't know if you were right on this loss. Of course, you can never tell for sure with any one game, win or lose, whether you were right or wrong. With this one, there are 2 ways you can look at it: 1) You took a reasonable-sized dog and only lost by 2, but you could also look at it in terms of 2)your pitcher pitched about as good a game as possible and STILL lost.

          I think #2 is the right way to look at the game. Halladay was very likely going to throw a great game (I'm not saying this in hindsight of course, you can see from my other posts tonight that that was what I thought) so even if Buehrle matched him, the Jays would still have a good shot at winning. And of course if Buehrle was off, as he sometimes is, then the Sox would have had a tiny chance of pulling it out.

          People who looked at Halladay's last 2 games and saw a guy who was vulnerable as a favorite weren't seeing what was really going on, IMO. The season is a grind, and a truly great pitcher like Halladay who gets a few weeks long break in the middle of the year for non-arm related problems is going to be in good shape to do well when he comes back.
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          • Senator7
            SBR MVP
            • 08-20-05
            • 1559

            #6
            Originally posted by Ganchrow HG
            With all due respect Senator, I don't know if you were right on this loss. Of course, you can never tell for sure with any one game, win or lose, whether you were right or wrong. With this one, there are 2 ways you can look at it: 1) You took a reasonable-sized dog and only lost by 2, but you could also look at it in terms of 2)your pitcher pitched about as good a game as possible and STILL lost.

            I think #2 is the right way to look at the game. Halladay was very likely going to throw a great game (I'm not saying this in hindsight of course, you can see from my other posts tonight that that was what I thought) so even if Buehrle matched him, the Jays would still have a good shot at winning. And of course if Buehrle was off, as he sometimes is, then the Sox would have had a tiny chance of pulling it out.

            People who looked at Halladay's last 2 games and saw a guy who was vulnerable as a favorite weren't seeing what was really going on, IMO. The season is a grind, and a truly great pitcher like Halladay who gets a few weeks long break in the middle of the year for non-arm related problems is going to be in good shape to do well when he comes back.
            Buerhle gave up two hits, struck out 6, and walked none as a +140 dog. If you had told me before the game that Buerhle was going to throw this well, I would have taken the Sox @ -200. That's bad breaks, not bad handicapping.

            I will win far more of these than I will lose...
            Last edited by Senator7; 05-31-07, 08:17 PM.
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            • rjt721
              SBR Hall of Famer
              • 02-06-07
              • 7929

              #7
              Originally posted by Senator7
              Buerhle gave up two hits, struck out 6, and walked none as a +140 dog. That's bad breaks, not bad decisions.

              I will win far more of these than I will lose...
              I agree with Ganch here. It's a tough loss considering Buehrle pitched great and only gave up 2 hits, but you can't say the ChiSox were the right side. Sure, Buehrle pitched very well, but Halladay performed even better. Buehrle made 2 mistakes, and that ended up being the difference in the game.

              I will agree that if you get 8 innings of 2-run ball from a +140 dog, you will certainly be on the right side of a majority of games, but it shouldn't come as a surprise that Halladay shutout Chicago's offense through 7. Tough loss, yes, but CHW were not the right side.
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              • Senator7
                SBR MVP
                • 08-20-05
                • 1559

                #8
                Originally posted by rjt721
                I agree with Ganch here. It's a tough loss considering Buehrle pitched great and only gave up 2 hits, but you can't say the ChiSox were the right side. Sure, Buehrle pitched very well, but Halladay performed even better. Buehrle made 2 mistakes, and that ended up being the difference in the game.

                I will agree that if you get 8 innings of 2-run ball from a +140 dog, you will certainly be on the right side of a majority of games, but it shouldn't come as a surprise that Halladay shutout Chicago's offense through 7. Tough loss, yes, but CHW were not the right side.
                "I will agree that if you get 8 innings of 2-run ball from a +140 dog, you will certainly be on the right side of a majority of games"

                This is the only point I was trying to make so if what you said is accurate, you agree with me and not Ganch...
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                • bigboydan
                  SBR Aristocracy
                  • 08-10-05
                  • 55420

                  #9
                  Tough loss for Mark tonight. The offense couldn't even get anything off of Halladay tonight.
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                  • rjt721
                    SBR Hall of Famer
                    • 02-06-07
                    • 7929

                    #10
                    Originally posted by Senator7
                    "I will agree that if you get 8 innings of 2-run ball from a +140 dog, you will certainly be on the right side of a majority of games"

                    This is the only point I was trying to make so if what you said is accurate, you agree with me and not Ganch...
                    Not if your implying Chicago was the right side. In general, if you get that type of performance from a starter, you will surely make a profit. However, I don't think you can say the ChiSox were the correct side tonight given the likelihood that Halladay would perform as he did.

                    Whatever, it doesn't even matter. GL with the rest of your plays.
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                    • Senator7
                      SBR MVP
                      • 08-20-05
                      • 1559

                      #11
                      Originally posted by rjt721
                      Not if your implying Chicago was the right side. In general, if you get that type of performance from a starter, you will surely make a profit. However, I don't think you can say the ChiSox were the correct side tonight given the likelihood that Halladay would perform as he did.

                      Whatever, it doesn't even matter. GL with the rest of your plays.
                      I apologize if I came across as implying Chicago was the right side. Like I said, if you had told me before the game that Buerhle was going to throw like he did (as I expected), I would have taken the Sox @ -200 and you wouldn't have touched Toronto at the current price. That's the point I was trying to make. It wasn't bad handicapping.

                      Like you said, if I get that type of peformance from a starter, I will surely make a profit over the long run @ +140. That is what I was trying to say, you simply said it better.

                      I need some luck with my plays, its a losing night for sure, but a Florida win could take away some of the pain...
                      Last edited by Senator7; 05-31-07, 09:03 PM.
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                      • crackerjack
                        SBR MVP
                        • 08-01-06
                        • 3366

                        #12
                        Seems like if you like Beurhle to keep it close against Halladay, then the under was the right side...
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