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  • AC1318
    SBR Hall of Famer
    • 10-09-06
    • 6712

    #1
    two things bug me in baseball
    1) The sacrafice fly balls eliminate to many runs, I understand the logic get some on the board but I feel in many occasions the team doing it is short changing themselves and they end up losing the game anyway. I could see doing it in the final inning.

    2) Once the starter is finished or as the coach see's him to be finished all the so-called releivers come in and they give up 2 to 3 times the amount of runs in 3 innings than the starter did in the first six.

    I have been on the wrong side of this all to many times these past couple weeks.

    Where can I get the info for each game that shows
    1) batting order for the days game
    2) starting pitcher and who is to follow so and so forth down the line.

    I guess not knowingly I have been betting blindly and it has been costing me some of what I have accumulated in NHL and NBA which are now coming to a close. So if I don't get this straight now I will be royally fvcked.

    any and all info is appreciated.

    thanks in advance
  • Senator7
    SBR MVP
    • 08-20-05
    • 1559

    #2
    Only the manager knows who will pitch after the starter is removed and it typically depends on the situation...
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    • AC1318
      SBR Hall of Famer
      • 10-09-06
      • 6712

      #3
      Originally posted by Senator7
      Only the manager knows who will pitch after the starter is removed and it typically depends on the situation...
      I guess that takes care of that.

      bullpen is probably the strongest part in making a decision followed by hitting, yes/no

      thanks for the response, never really wagered much baseball, always football.

      by the way like the gif, more cow bell
      Last edited by AC1318; 05-17-07, 07:35 PM.
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      • bigboydan
        SBR Aristocracy
        • 08-10-05
        • 55420

        #4
        sbrodds will give you the breakdowns you are looking for. Also, you can get your starting lineups on either Yahoo, usatoday, or MLB.COM about 1 hour before gametime everyday.
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        • Dark Horse
          SBR Posting Legend
          • 12-14-05
          • 13764

          #5
          If you're concerned about the bullpen just check their numbers as a whole. Or you can look at a money pitchers angle; how many units a starting pitcher is up or down in all his starts (which includes the bullpen in the results for each starting pitcher).
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          • AC1318
            SBR Hall of Famer
            • 10-09-06
            • 6712

            #6
            Originally posted by Dark Horse
            If you're concerned about the bullpen just check their numbers as a whole. Or you can look at a money pitchers angle; how many units a starting pitcher is up or down in all his starts (which includes the bullpen in the results for each starting pitcher).
            what's the money pitchers angle??
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            • Dark Horse
              SBR Posting Legend
              • 12-14-05
              • 13764

              #7
              Its how many units a starting pitcher would have made you if you bet on him all season.



              Just something to play with. For instance, take a pitcher who is up more than 1 unit versus a pitcher who is down more than 1 unit (or any parameter). This has several advantages, such as including bullpen support and leveraging the big name pitchers against their money value.

              The statfox link gives an example. Later in the season it would be better to have stats for L5 or L10 starts, instead of accumulating all data from the season.
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              • AC1318
                SBR Hall of Famer
                • 10-09-06
                • 6712

                #8
                Originally posted by Dark Horse
                Its how many units a starting pitcher would have made you if you bet on him all season.



                Just something to play with. For instance, take a pitcher who is up more than 1 unit versus a pitcher who is down more than 1 unit (or any parameter). This has several advantages, such as including bullpen support and leveraging the big name pitchers against their money value.

                The statfox link gives an example. Later in the season it would be better to have stats for L5 or L10 starts, instead of accumulating all data from the season.
                Appreciate pointing me in the right direction DH, there is ton of info on that stat fox page, thanks again.
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                • crackerjack
                  SBR MVP
                  • 08-01-06
                  • 3366

                  #9
                  One thing I don't understand regarding relievers is why managers feel the need to go to a "closer" for the final inning. Yesterday in the Cubs game we had a middle reliever who came in and got five outs, four on strikeouts, in the 7th and 8th innings. Why not just leave him in there for the final inning?
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                  • pavyracer
                    SBR Aristocracy
                    • 04-12-07
                    • 82790

                    #10
                    It's hard to get out someone twice in the same game if you are a middle reliever. You want your relievers to face the opponents only once because their pitches are limited. If they could through various pitches and speeds good they would have been starters.
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                    • AC1318
                      SBR Hall of Famer
                      • 10-09-06
                      • 6712

                      #11
                      Originally posted by crackerjack
                      One thing I don't understand regarding relievers is why managers feel the need to go to a "closer" for the final inning. Yesterday in the Cubs game we had a middle reliever who came in and got five outs, four on strikeouts, in the 7th and 8th innings. Why not just leave him in there for the final inning?
                      I understand what pavyracer is saying but I am with crackerjack IF it isn't broken don't fix it, I am sure the middle pitcher would have been fine to close out yesterdays game.
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