Baseball rules

[Alex]

I have just learned that what Pinnaclesports means that a pitcher has started the game is that he not only starts the game, but also throws the first pitch to the opponent's first batter.
I had a winning wager on Reds run-line yesterday (7:5), but I got it cancelled because of this rule. Brett Cecil started the game for Jays, but after a poor start he was taken away before he threw the first pitch.
What a stupid rule! It was exactly what I wagered on, that Brett Cecil is going to be bad, and then, when he IS bad and being taken off due to so bad start, I get my bet cancelled!

As I am relatively new to baseball betting, can anyone tell me if this rule that a pitcher needs not just to start the game, but also throw the first pitch to the opponent's first batter, is something that is common for more or less all bookies, or is this some kind of special Pinnacle rule.

Is there any site where one can compare baseball rules for different bookies?

[HighVoltage]

Cecil pitched 3 innings last night. Check with Pinnacle.

[The General]

Thanks for sharing, but I think most will agree the rule is fair and needed for those who Thought the pitcher would toss well.

[rake922]

Brett Cecil started the game for Jays, but after a poor start he was taken away before he threw the first pitch.

Brett Cecil threw 86 pitches so you're wrong

[Stumpage]

Yeah Alex, your wager should be a winner. Was watching the game and Cecil indeed got rocked over his 3 innings, giving up 9 hits.....

[Alex]

Thank you for your replies, but now I am even more confused.
I don’t have a chance to watch baseball games, but what I understood, is that it wasn’t Cecil who threw THE FIRST PITCH FOR HIS TEAM, and that’s why, according to Pinnacle rules, he is not considered the starter.
What I understood is, that it doesn’t matter how many pitches he threw later in the game.
Or am I completely wrong?

[pavyracer]

How can someone have a poor start before he threw the first pitch? Was he throwing batting practice to the opposing team during warm ups?

[Stumpage]

Wow, this one's an interesting read.....It certainly was Cecil who threw the first pitch, followed by another 80+.

[Nicky Santoro]

i think alex is drunk...

[rake922]

Thank you for your replies, but now I am even more confused.
I don’t have a chance to watch baseball games, but what I understood, is that it wasn’t Cecil who threw THE FIRST PITCH FOR HIS TEAM, and that’s why, according to Pinnacle rules, he is not considered the starter.
What I understood is, that it doesn’t matter how many pitches he threw later in the game.
Or am I completely wrong?

Cecil started the game for the Toronto Blue Jays. There are about 130 recaps and boxscores on the world wide web that confirm he started the game and I am outraged you don't believe any of them.

[Alex]

Well, I am not drunk, as I say I am confused.

This is copy & paste of the e-mail from Pinnacle:


Dear Sir,

The grading is correct, B. Cecil did not start.
The following is sample information regarding Pitcher options and pitching changes. Complete information may be found on our site under Wagering Information - Baseball.
Action - team against team, regardless of the starting pitchers.
Listed Pitchers -if both starting pitchers are not exactly as specified at the time of the bet, the wager will be deemed "no action".
One Listed Pitcher -this is a wager on or against one specified pitcher, regardless of the other starting pitcher. If the specified pitcher does not start, the wager is deemed "no action". (examples: "the Red Sox versus Helling" indicates a wager against Helling. "Helling against the Red Sox " indicates a wager on Helling).
In the event there is a pitching change prior to the game, the money-line will be re-adjusted and "action" wagers will be graded using the opening price for the new pitcher.

A pitcher is deemed a starter after throwing the first pitch to the opponent's first batter.

Wagers on totals and run-lines must always specify both pitchers listed.

Kind regards,

Customer Service Department
Pinnacle Sports

[rake922]

Well they're are wrong and SBR staff should step in for Alex if they keep telling you Cecil did not start

[Stumpage]

Then you have a case as Cecil started and was absolutely and mercilessly hammered by Cincinnati last night.....Perhaps the unending surge of rockets off of the Reds' bats has Pinnacle convinced that surely it could not have been a Major League quality pitcher throwing against them, and that little Johnny from the local Pee Wee League team had taken the hill that night......

[Alex]

Well, I’ll contact them again, and if it doesn’t help, I’ll ask SBR for help.
I‘ve never had any problems with Pinnacle before.

Thank you very much everyone!

[LT Profits]

Seems like an honest mistake on Pinny's part, Cecil definitely started. They will fix.

[trumpdown]

I can say with 100% certainty if a pitcher starts he does indeed throw the first pitch to an opponets first batter. Never in the history of the game has this NOT happened. Unless of course some crazed bird attacks or perhaps a throng of locusts swarm the pitcher's mound and take him out before an actual pitch is thrown.

[Alex]

Well, I am glad it is fixed now and Pinnacle apologized for the mistake.
A small minus to Pinnacle’s customer service though, as the lady who answered my first complain obviously didn’t bother to check it up with the Grading Department.

Many thanks, guys!

[The General]

Glad it worked out, Alex. I got confused also when I originally read your post.

Sorry

[trumpdown]

Glad you got paid

[G's pks]

Alex if you do not have a clue what you are doing... cannot watch games even though quite a few can be accessed for free on the internet... Why in the world are you betting on baseball?

[Alex]

Alex if you do not have a clue what you are doing... cannot watch games even though quite a few can be accessed for free on the internet... Why in the world are you betting on baseball?

Good question...

My betting on MLB is based on statistics.

I live in Europe, so I should offer my sleep in order to wach MLB on the internet.

I guess this explains a lot.

[LT Profits]

Alex if you do not have a clue what you are doing... cannot watch games even though quite a few can be accessed for free on the internet... Why in the world are you betting on baseball?

You don't need to follow a sport or know anything about it to win at it. Betting off numbers wins in every sport.

Now let me get back to following my Icelandic Soccer match.

[G's pks]

You don't need to follow a sport or know anything about it to win at it. Betting off numbers wins in every sport.

Now let me get back to following my Icelandic Soccer match.

Agree...but if you read his first post...he did not mention that... but did mention in his response to me he is using statistics...so you are basically just repeating the answer he gave me! But thanks I do agree...