Wrong hire!
They should have went defensively!
They should have went defensively!
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this is one thing I may agree with you on, ZComment -
A list of guys if I was AD I would have went after...
1) Tuberville
2) Muschamp ( steal him from Texas)
3) Gary Patterson ( TCU coach)
those would have been my candidates!Comment -
You said the same thing about Alabama under Nick Satan.Comment -
They got the right person Kelly can recruit great playersComment -
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how can they not improve. They have been garbage for a long time. I LOVE THE HIREComment -
ND will do great things under KellyComment -
Kelly will be fired from ND after
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Originally posted by daggerkobe
yea rightComment -
Recruits does'nt matter. You people have to understand what Notre Dame wants and Thats a national title. Your last decade of national title winners have had top defenses. I would have went defensively! Plain and simple!Comment -
Notre Dame has talent but has no defensive pulse. Until they get one they will forever lose to USC, and other top schoolsComment -
It is rather obvious that you are missing the point. Notre Dame wantws a powerful offense so they can attract T.V. viewers, potential recruits, and regain some of their reputation. Sure it would be nice of you had a solid defense, but what would you rather have. A 6-6 team that scored 30 a game or a 6-6 team that scores 10? Notre Dame loses most of it's offensive talent this year, and that talent must be replaced. That is first and foremost in the minds of Notre Dame thinkers. The defense will have to improve, but not to the extent that you seem to think. Look what has happened to LSU. Their defense gives up the same number of points to Florida as Alabama's did, yet LSU lost to Florida, AT HOME, while 'Bama killed Florida. LSU has no offense, and because of that, LSU has not been able to lose less than two games since Miles has been there.Comment -
I think Notre Dame wants a good offense so they can have good television ratings. It is always about the ratings BigDaddy. I think that if he gets a good defensive coach they will be pretty good in a few years. This guy has won everywhere he has gone so I think Zboiz is wrong here.Comment -
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a coach can only do so much. look at the expectations they had when they hired wiessComment -
they better have some good recruits comin in considering who they are losinComment -
Your right jayroy the coach only can do so much.Comment -
Irish tumultuous for 5 more years.
Brian Kelly can't fix it.
Urban Meyer was the only guy that can fix that, and that wasn't gonna happen, anyways.Comment -
I think if he gets a good defensive coach he will fix it. Who knows though.Comment -
Kelly is not the saviour. Very few coaches have what it takes to turn around a program on their own.Comment -
BigDaddy what the hell is you talking about ? This is the 1st year LSU offense has struggled under Miles. Every year under Miles his offense has average 30+ a game. So the offensive production on your point about LSU is severly wrong. Now to Notre Dame, if your point about them wanting a high power offense is true well that proves my point more! They will continue to be a 6-6, or 7-5 team. You can get away at Cinncy with a weak defense and win games but when you play teams like LSU, Bama, USC, Florida, and Texas these teams has defense and they would stop
a kellys offense but what will Kelly do than? Can he depend on his defense to win the game ? NO! Defense wins championships. And Notre Dame did not make a championship hire!Comment -
As bad as I hate to say it I believe Z is right. Kelly is not the man, he has more experience at the collegiate level than Weiss but he still isn't "The Man". Granted Kelley will be facing somewhat better competition than he did at Cincy so that will affect him somewhat but I just don't believe he can have the same success. He can't go out and grab these guys that barely got there GED and run em through a tech school and some of the team he plays he is going to have to play DEFENSE. If this college season hasn't shown everyone the value of defense at this level then I don't know what will. Kelly won't be able to go out there and just outscore people with the recruits that he has now, it is still going to take some time; something that Notre Dame dosen't want to do. There are great offensive minds out there to go and get but finding a solid defensive coach with the ability to grab and offensive guru with recruitting ability is what wins championships.
Exhibit A. Mack Brown and Will Muschamp with Greg Davis... Exhibit B. Nick Saban and Kirby Smart with Jim McElwain; and look at what these two staffs are playing for come Jan. 7thComment -
But Z admit it... Miles is a joke... you know you would rather have Brian Kelley as coach with Miles' staff. The Mad Hatter won his championship with one of the best teams ever, all he had to do was stand on the sidline and look like he was doing something. I believe even Charlie Weiss couldn't have screwed that season up, face it Miles is a nobody.... Sorry just had to throw that .2 out thereComment -
Roll tide,
I agree with your defensive philosophy but what I don't agree with is your conception on Miles. Yes he have made bone head disicions but the man is steady winning 10 games a year. You can say what you want but he has been at LSU for 5 years and has 10 wins in all except 1. You have to give the man credit. He may not be Nick Saban who is a defensive guru but Miles is more of a offensive man who surrounds his self around good assistants. Every year his assistants or leaving to become head coaches somewere. Not even Saban did that. But Miles does make bonehead decisions at times. Yet the man can recruit his ass off! We just landed a recruit out of Miami. Frank Gore Cousin , jacori Gore who is a rb just like his cousin. He stole Gore out of Miami which is hard to do. He had Miami, Florida, Alabama, and Cal on his list. The amazing part is he took him straight from Miami!Comment -
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Agree with a lot of what you say, Z. Tubb would have been nice..I like him a lot...As a fan, I would rather see Great Offense than Defense though and it seems hard to have both...Why is that? I would settle for a Defense that knows that it's not okay to play terrible.
And I agree that Miles is a great Coach, but don't act so surprised about his recruiting efforts...LSU pays players...That is a fact.Comment -
Z I never said the man couldn't recruit... I agree but I think LSU developed into a brand under Saban, meaning that it sells itself. He gets the recruits but he couldn't go pull guys like that if he coached at, Ole Miss or somewhere where winning hadn't become the norm, he sells the name not himself.
Opinions are like assholes and everybody has one, I think Miles is joke, my opinion. You might think Saban is a jackass, and thats your opinion...Miles can recruit but you won't see LSU get another SEC championship under his tenureComment -
Rolltide if we think short term I can say Miles won't win another championship but that's highly unlikley if you think long term. No team wins championships every year. Just becaus Bama is there this year dont mean they will be there every year. Sports don't work like that. LSU and Florida won 2 titles this decade even USC won 2.
You will win some and lose some. But the key to championship season is a upperclassmen QB. We had a freshman last year and a sophmore this year. LSU will be fine with majority of our team coming back next year. We will be very tough next year.Comment -
With a young team last year LSU competed with the senior led teams like Bama and Florida. We will be fine!Comment -
Also Florida WR coach which is there great recruiting cordinator will be joining LSU staff this year! Once again Miles pulls off a great hire, and stole a valuable asset from Florida!Comment -
Do they $$$, Z?Comment -
Miles is an idiot when it comes to game time decisions. His clock management is pathetic. Sabin and Meyer will own him for many a year. ZBOIZ, lets face it. You are a homer. You always will be. Judging by your wagering record, you have a lot to learn about football. The first thing you can learn is not to turn every topic to LSU. I will be here nex year when LSU loses 3-4 games to hear your excuses for that. Remember that Miles has NEVER had a season with less than 2 losses. That will continue for the forseeable future.Comment -
Everyone says that Brian Kelly is not a defensive coach, which is strange since he started off as a defensive coordinator. Granted this year UC's defense was horrid, but they also lost 10 defensive starters to graduation and the NFL. So I think it is pretty impressive to have 10 new starters on defense and still go undefeated. As much as I would like to see Kelly fail, I know that he probably will succeed. There is one thing that Kelly has done on every team he has ever coached and that's win.Comment -
Bigdaddy a point spread doesn't mean shit when it comes to knowlege of football. It's gambling! I can promise you that you don't know more than me about the x's and o's of football. Especially if you think Kelly is the hire for that program if they want championships. I will leave it at that. Defense wins championships not offense.
Ask miles how to win championships. He won one!Comment -
Agree. The D seemed pretty Good last year for Cincy...And the funny thing about Football, especially college is that when you have a great O, the Defense usually slacks off...Originally posted by Hammew
Yes, I understand teams/coaches can put more emphasis on one over the other, but that still seems to be the truth of it.Comment
