I am feeling a need for a bitch session about sportsbook websites

**APK** · 10-04-08, 12:17 PM

Betway:
When you select a match it adds some future bet with huge odds to the betslip

**mtneer1212** · 10-04-08, 12:27 PM

The Greek - Shows game times in CENTRAL time. I would prefer it to be configurable to my time zone, Eastern, or worst case Vegas time zone, Pacific -- but Central? I actually like the retro feel to the Greek's betting interface, but they should be able to do some type of upgrade.

Sportbet - Gives you the option to "add open spot" to reverses, but when clicked with one other team, it says "ERROR!" On parlays and teasers where you actually would use the open spot option, it isn't there at all.

Sportbet - If you have an available balance of $110, and you place a $100 wager at -110 -- it occasionally says you have exceeded the available balance (probably because of a rounding error somewhere). So you have to go back and make your wager $99 to go 'all-in' Annoying.

**APK** · 10-04-08, 12:30 PM

Sportingbet, uses IEsnare.

**thebertshow** · 10-04-08, 12:58 PM

Matchbook

For baseball, I don't like how you have to go separate places for National and American League like they are different sports. They should just line them all up on one page like everyone else.

They also break the NFL and CFB into chunks. I'd rather just scroll down a long list like everywhere else than keep clicking in and out of different areas.

**Mudcat** · 10-04-08, 01:10 PM

I'm with you Bert. At least Matchbook combines baseball into one list once there gets to be a smaller number of games.

Sports Interaction has separate listings for the two leagues even if there is only one game in each.

**Tosser** · 10-04-08, 01:11 PM

Matchbook sucks besides the obvious low juice, no lines up for tomorrows MLB games...is it so damn hard to put up 2 lines?

**Mudcat** · 10-04-08, 01:13 PM

I believe anything that has been said about Sportbet also applies to Gambler's Palace. Hopefully someone will correct me if I'm wrong but I'm pretty sure they're clones.

**Mudcat** · 10-04-08, 02:57 PM

Originally posted by Mudcat

BETMANIA - same thing. I drag my mouse over the "Message" option and it automatically opens up a fvcking little square in the middle of my screen saying I have no messages. The difference with Legendz is this doesn't go away if you drag your mouse away from it. You have to click it off. You don't have to click it on but you have to click it off.

Looks like this also applies to BetPhoenix.

I just got a message saying this would be corrected on Monday.

See? I'm not just being a whiny bitch with this thread - I am making the world a better place!

Kudos to you guys for taking the criticism as being constructive despite my somewhat nasty tone.

**tomcowley** · 10-04-08, 05:40 PM

Anything that gives stupid popups.. like betphoenix.

1) Clicking on a market with no games:

Just show the fcuking sport with a note that says "No lines available at this time", so I can actually refresh it when I'm waiting for a line (halftime or live) without multiple clicks and a popup. Also, stupid bug that when you have two sets of lines being displayed, refresh when one has no lines (live, usually), live is still checked in the boxes on the left, but refreshing won't display new live lines. You have to deselect and reselect.. and get the popup again and again. Popups suck.

2) I DON'T GIVE A FCUK THAT LINES CHANGE AFTER I BET THEM:

Using a popup for this at all is stupid, since the strikethru is pretty clear, and a note could also be added. The only time I need to be notified is when the lines on the thing I'm about to confirm my password on are not the lines I selected- and that doesn't need a popup. Popups suck.

3) I don't need a popup to tell me that I've been logged out- just take me to the login screen, put the note on the page, and I might get the hint that I need to log in again. Popups suck.

**Stumpage** · 10-04-08, 06:21 PM

Badlands:

Whenever you want to make a withdrawal, you would have to phone the place to do it, at least when you wanted to withdraw via Neteller...Why the hell should I have to call anybody?? Do they not possess the technology to allow somebody to do this with the click of a mouse, like every other sportbook out there?

Now mind you, this may be an old issue as I've not redeposited there for over a year, but I can't help but wonder if the same archaic rules apply to somebody who wants to withdraw via Moneybookers for example.....

**Santo** · 10-04-08, 08:15 PM

Originally posted by thebertshow

Matchbook

For baseball, I don't like how you have to go separate places for National and American League like they are different sports. They should just line them all up on one page like everyone else.

They also break the NFL and CFB into chunks. I'd rather just scroll down a long list like everywhere else than keep clicking in and out of different areas.

They don't do that for speed reasons, if you had all markets on the same page it would be impossibly slow to navigate (even NCAAF listings as they are now struggle during peak moments)

**Mudcat** · 10-05-08, 09:14 AM

Intertops and Sports Interaction and I'm probably forgetting someone else.

When I enter the dollar amount of a bet, I want the choice of entering a "risk" or "win" amount. At least default to base amount. You guys only let me enter risk. Not satisfactory.

**Santo** · 10-05-08, 10:05 AM

I actually prefer risk, which is the default in Europe.

**Mudcat** · 10-05-08, 10:41 AM

Then allowing a choice would fully meet your needs. Everybody wins.

Choice is better for players. Sounds like those European books need to get their sh1t together too.

**jjgold** · 10-05-08, 10:55 AM

Best software is

WSEX
GREEK
WAGERSTREET

Easy to use and get bets in with no timeouts

**JoeVig** · 10-05-08, 10:56 AM

Any sportsbook that does not allow multiple sports to be selected and displayed on a single screen. I hate have to flip pages between say, football and baseball - I want it all on one screen.

**Santo** · 10-05-08, 11:18 AM

The point is that nobody in Europe uses the base figure. Just the same as there are US books that don't give the Risk option, there are European-focussed books that don't use Base. Base actually confused me a lot when I first started.

**no chance in hell** · 10-05-08, 11:27 AM

Justbet: The absolute slowest website I have ever played at. Takes forever to load on any computer. Please speed it up.

I prefer Risk when placing bets, prefer to get the cents out of there too.

**unluckysob** · 10-05-08, 11:37 AM

greek will return to eastern time when time changes---they dont recognize day light savings time.

**InTheHole** · 10-05-08, 11:39 AM

I like Bookmaker but play with BetJam....

**bigboydan** · 10-05-08, 11:54 AM

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**pats3peat** · 10-05-08, 12:05 PM

timezone easily the worst thing. even fking dumbass pinnacle couldnt get it to the right time zone

**citlec** · 10-05-08, 12:39 PM

Mansion88 is the worst website. Odds are there when you look at the site, log in and all the odds disappear from the website.

**tomcowley** · 10-05-08, 12:59 PM

Carib not displaying current lines on refresh (unless they fixed this recently) is about the stupidest website issue possible.

**tomcowley** · 10-05-08, 01:00 PM

To BetPhoenix's credit, they said that the popup issues will be dealt with soon, and the time-out popup is already gone. That's a great response.

**DavidCopper** · 10-05-08, 01:52 PM

I'd go with Betjamaica...they have the best lines...payouts...and customer service..

**pjesnik24** · 10-05-08, 04:48 PM

Originally posted by citlec

Mansion88 is the worst website. Odds are there when you look at the site, log in and all the odds disappear from the website.

happened to me hundreds of times. I have to restart the browser few times to get it right

**treece** · 10-05-08, 05:08 PM

I like Intertops because they let you be logged on for days. BetJam I hate because they give you only a 20 minute cookie or whatever its called and then you have to log on again. Fukin pisses me off signing in over and over again.

**LVHerbie** · 10-05-08, 05:42 PM

Originally posted by JoeVig

Any sportsbook that does not allow multiple sports to be selected and displayed on a single screen. I hate have to flip pages between say, football and baseball - I want it all on one screen.

matchbook is worse then this because you have to click between multiply pages just to get all the games listed in one sport... And then they're slow in readjusting their lines so often you have to load the individual game's extra bets to see if they have the number that is most commonly available at every other book, which they may or may even be there yet... If you are wanting to bet more then one game at matchbook it is the least user friendly book that I know of...

**APK** · 10-05-08, 07:54 PM

Originally posted by Mudcat

Intertops and Sports Interaction and I'm probably forgetting someone else.

When I enter the dollar amount of a bet, I want the choice of entering a "risk" or "win" amount. At least default to base amount. You guys only let me enter risk. Not satisfactory.

Why would you want anything else?
If I enter 100 I know I'll lose 100 and if I win the amount to win is displayed. (Using decimal odds, that is.)

Or am I missing something because I don't use American style odds?

**shipitkthx** · 10-06-08, 01:52 AM

Originally posted by APK

Why would you want anything else?
If I enter 100 I know I'll lose 100 and if I win the amount to win is displayed. (Using decimal odds, that is.)

Or am I missing something because I don't use American style odds?

The main annoyance I have is they have their limits based on risk amount. If your limit is $1k thats supposed to mean 1.1k to win 1k on straight bets, 1k to win 2k on +200 and 2k to win 1k on -200, not 1k to win 500

**Mudcat** · 10-06-08, 08:16 AM

Originally posted by tomcowley

To BetPhoenix's credit, they said that the popup issues will be dealt with soon, and the time-out popup is already gone. That's a great response.

I'm impressed with these guys. They also said they would fix this on Monday morning:

Originally posted by Mudcat

BETMANIA - same thing. I drag my mouse over the "Message" option and it automatically opens up a fvcking little square in the middle of my screen saying I have no messages. The difference with Legendz is this doesn't go away if you drag your mouse away from it. You have to click it off. You don't have to click it on but you have to click it off.

Looks like this also applies to BetPhoenix.

and it is now fixed. In fact, judging by the timing of the PM, it was done by 7 am. They're not fvcking around there.

The "Message" link is now gone from the top of the page. They say that for now, the message will only appear once when the user logs in. If the user has no message, nothing will be displayed.

Perfect.

Great response.

**Mudcat** · 10-06-08, 08:25 AM

Originally posted by APK

Why would you want anything else?
If I enter 100 I know I'll lose 100 and if I win the amount to win is displayed. (Using decimal odds, that is.)

Or am I missing something because I don't use American style odds?

It is not so much the fact of using risk amount, it is the way limits are set up based on risk.

Taken to the extreme, if you want to play a lop-sided line of, say, -1000/+600 on a lower limit event at Intertops or SIA, the max bet might be

$275 to win $1650 on the dog
$275 to win $27 on the favorite

I don't need a bet to win $27. It's all out of whack. Not player-friendly. Like at Pinnacle, the Greek, Sportbet and on and on, I want to be able to use that limit for a bet on that favorite of $2750/$275.

Even regardless of limits though, there is no real debate on this issue. Choice is better. If you like using risk, books like Pinnacle that offer a choice fulfill your needs completely. So are the needs of everyone else.

No-brainer.

**Mudcat** · 10-06-08, 08:30 AM

And speaking of choice, I have another bitch.

Books like WSEX and Carib that have these drop-down menus for your bet amount where you can only pick from a list of possible dollar amounts.

Just let me type in the exact amount of the bet I want. Let me do it as either "risk" or "win" amount.

We have the technology.