Some shops CANCELLED all PFL wagers yesterday............others GRADED as WIN/LOSS

**Fishhead** · 04-02-22, 01:09 PM

.........some shops have still not decided what to do, and have the fights still UNgraded

Thoughts on this clusterfuk???

**BigJay** · 04-02-22, 02:42 PM

I just watched When We Were Kings. I bet $100 on Ali when the movie started. Heritage canceled it using the same logic

**KVB** · 04-02-22, 03:40 PM

Heritage was bitch here.

I think they read too much twitter.

**KVB** · 04-02-22, 03:49 PM

I'll admit, the thing was like a wierd reality show.

But I think the event was legit broadcast.

**Fishhead** · 04-02-22, 06:34 PM

Originally posted by BigJay

I just watched When We Were Kings. I bet $100 on Ali when the movie started. Heritage canceled it using the same logic

Unbelievable , wow!!!

**Optional** · 04-03-22, 09:09 AM

Originally posted by Fishhead

The books that cancelled stated that the fights were PRE-RECORDED

Originally posted by Fishhead

.........some shops have still not decided what to do, and have the fights still UNgraded

Thoughts on this clusterfuk???

Which books have not decided or have it ungraded?

As far as I know all major offshores graded the event apart from Heritage.

Did you know the third fight on the card was actually fought first?

First three fight times were stuffed up as well as the broadcaster editing some parts.

**Fishhead** · 04-03-22, 09:28 AM

Originally posted by Optional

Which books have not decided or have it ungraded?

As far as I know all major offshores graded the event apart from Heritage.

Did you know the third fight on the card was actually fought first?

First three fight times were stuffed up as well as the broadcaster editing some parts.

Many times in the past on various MMA/UFC events the fight orders are changed,,,,,did not know of this happening in this case.

Any idea when the exact time the fights actually took place?

**Optional** · 04-03-22, 11:17 AM

Originally posted by Fishhead

Many times in the past on various MMA/UFC events the fight orders are changed,,,,,did not know of this happening in this case.

Any idea when the exact time the fights actually took place?

Personally from what I can work out the event started at the right time, 6.00pm PST.

For voided bets placed before that time Heritage have been asked if they have any reason to suspect any fight started prior to 6pm PST

**Fishhead** · 04-03-22, 11:27 AM

Originally posted by Optional

Personally from what I can work out the event started at the right time, 6.00pm PST.

For voided bets placed before that time Heritage have been asked if they have any reason to suspect any fight started prior to 6pm PST

Oh wow, good info, thanks

**Fishhead** · 04-04-22, 12:47 PM

Can anyone confirm if Heritage changed their decision with this?

**Optional** · 04-04-22, 03:17 PM

Originally posted by Fishhead

Can anyone confirm if Heritage changed their decision with this?

Not yet. And they believe they are correct based on info they received.

They are investigating their information source though.

**CanuckG** · 04-04-22, 08:05 PM

Fights were recorded on March 25th. Clearly some people had inside info.

**Optional** · 04-04-22, 09:38 PM

Originally posted by CanuckG

Fights were recorded on March 25th. Clearly some people had inside info.

Where did this come from Canuck?

Can you link to me anything about it?

**CanuckG** · 04-04-22, 10:56 PM

Originally posted by Optional

Where did this come from Canuck?

Can you link to me anything about it?

I have a subscription to US Integrity and that is what they sent out from a PFL spokesperson

**Fishhead** · 04-05-22, 09:42 AM

LFA lines up for Friday at some shops.

Anyone wagering on this?

**Optional** · 04-05-22, 11:07 AM

Originally posted by Fishhead

LFA lines up for Friday at some shops.

Anyone wagering on this?

PFL MMA confirmed what CanuckG reported. That Night 7 of the PFL Challenger series was fought and taped on 25th March, on the same day as Night 6.

Participants were asked to sign NDAs to keep results quiet.

PFL say this is the first time they have done that and did not anticipate the betting problem it could cause.

PFL say they are aware to not let it happen again.

**Fishhead** · 04-05-22, 11:35 AM

Originally posted by Optional

PFL MMA confirmed what CanuckG reported. That Night 7 of the PFL Challenger series was fought and taped on 25th March, on the same day as Night 6.

Participants were asked to sign NDAs to keep results quiet.

PFL say this is the first time they have done that and did not anticipate the betting problem it could cause.

PFL say they are aware to not let it happen again.

Awesome, as well as incredible.

**DontTailMe** · 04-05-22, 06:24 PM

Originally posted by Optional

PFL MMA confirmed what CanuckG reported. That Night 7 of the PFL Challenger series was fought and taped on 25th March, on the same day as Night 6.

Participants were asked to sign NDAs to keep results quiet.

PFL say this is the first time they have done that and did not anticipate the betting problem it could cause.

PFL say they are aware to not let it happen again.

Yeah, the winners were definitely leaked. I know a few people who got bets down at legal books and aren't exactly upset that the tickets were cancelled.

**Fishhead** · 04-05-22, 06:26 PM

Originally posted by DontTailMe

Yeah, the winners were definitely leaked. I know a few people who got bets down at legal books and aren't exactly upset that the tickets were cancelled.

I had no idea taped and lost money.........

**DontTailMe** · 04-05-22, 07:28 PM

Originally posted by Fishhead

I had no idea taped and lost money.........

Did your book void the winners? If so, that's just wrong.

**Fishhead** · 04-05-22, 10:45 PM

Originally posted by DontTailMe

Did your book void the winners? If so, that's just wrong.

My winners were graded as CANCELLED
My losers were graded as LOSERS

**stevex** · 04-06-22, 06:00 AM

Just as the US is starting to accept sports betting as a legal activity we see this crap. Just have it live, why even bother with the whole taping thing? Doubt that books will even take wagers on PFL now.

**milwaukee mike** · 04-06-22, 08:18 AM

Originally posted by Fishhead

My winners were graded as CANCELLED
My losers were graded as LOSERS

same here

hopefully bookmaker fixes that today and cancels the losers... situation where "heads i win, tails you lose" is a bad look for the industry

**RonPaul2008** · 04-06-22, 10:39 AM

Originally posted by Fishhead

My winners were graded as CANCELLED
My losers were graded as LOSERS

That's not fair at all. All bets should be voided.

**Fishhead** · 04-06-22, 10:41 AM

Originally posted by RonPaul2008

That's not fair at all. All bets should be voided.

Please note, these were various shops, not the SAME shop.............didn't mean to imply that one shop graded the losers and not the winners.

Having said that, should have been one ruling for all.

**milwaukee mike** · 04-06-22, 11:46 AM

Originally posted by Fishhead

Please note, these were various shops, not the SAME shop.............didn't mean to imply that one shop graded the losers and not the winners.

Having said that, should have been one ruling for all.

yeah it sucks when books have this in their rules, yet still haven't cancelled losers

"If for any reason, a bet is inadvertently accepted after an event or match has started, the selection(s) affected will be made void and stakes will be refunded."

so i guess we are to assume that they didn't "inadvertently" accept bets on a fraud, they did so intentionally

**CanuckG** · 04-06-22, 02:10 PM

Books had no idea. Only noticed something when a favourite goes from -300 to -2000

**Fishhead** · 04-06-22, 03:27 PM

Originally posted by CanuckG

Books had no idea. Only noticed something when a favourite goes from -300 to -2000

**Optional** · 04-06-22, 03:51 PM

Originally posted by RonPaul2008

That's not fair at all. All bets should be voided.

Yeah it's about to get messy by the looks.

From what I know of Bookmaker I would guess they will void everything.

@Fishhead What other books do you still need to void?

**loser711** · 04-06-22, 05:04 PM

BOOKMAKER.....Mercy. Please. I just checked and they have 20c bases lines w NO LISTED pitchers. This book should be downgraded a rating or two.

The fight people said they did not anticipate problems w betting by recording a day early.

So who is stupider, the fight people or the bettors who thought they would get away with it?

**CanuckG** · 04-06-22, 05:11 PM

Already 4 states have asked for PFL to be removed from the betting catalog

**Fishhead** · 04-07-22, 09:42 AM

Originally posted by Optional

Yeah it's about to get messy by the looks.

From what I know of Bookmaker I would guess they will void everything.

@Fishhead What other books do you still need to void?

All of my wagers placed have been graded where wagered.

Of all the pending had...............HERITAGE cancelled the most placed, BETANYSPORTS graded the most placed........

**Fishhead** · 04-07-22, 09:43 AM

Originally posted by loser711

BOOKMAKER.....Mercy. Please. I just checked and they have 20c bases lines w NO LISTED pitchers. This book should be downgraded a rating or two.

The fight people said they did not anticipate problems w betting by recording a day early.

So who is stupider, the fight people or the bettors who thought they would get away with it?

CRIS and PINNY no listed pitchers...

**Optional** · 04-07-22, 06:52 PM

Originally posted by Fishhead

All of my wagers placed have been graded where wagered.

Of all the pending had...............HERITAGE cancelled the most placed, BETANYSPORTS graded the most placed........

If you PM me account numbers and Bet IDs I will try to help get them all voided if you wish.