Name your broker for Asian books

[lonnie55]

I'd tell you to go with Odsy88

Are you serious? Odsy88 has launched a few months ago, no history, no references.

I would go with any broker that is ESTABLISHED like the brokers mentioned in #1

[littlekona]

Are you serious? Odsy88 has launched a few months ago, no history, no references.

I would go with any broker that is ESTABLISHED like the brokers mentioned in #1

they have been around longer they said. I have talked with a few others on here in PM's that have used for 6 months or so and all have had good experience..From my experience they have been great fast as hell BTC withdrawls 24/7 great CS too. That said I do not have big funds in there and withdrawal and deposit almost daily anywhere from 100-1500 Euro no big amounts like some of you guys do at other sites.

give them test run on small deposit and see what you think and report back

[Alfie White]

You had high praises about unfairlay as well.

[littlekona]

You had high praises about unfairlay as well.

yea and they still Fairlay the best btc exclusive hands down....Read the last post from Optional the guy is very strange and suspicious Degen...This place I have only used for 4 months but so far so good esp when you need a betfair white label that functions as Orbitx just plain is unusable for horses due to site responsiveness

BTW whats your contribution here except to attack me? Try them out and report back your experience

[Alfie White]

It is better not to contribute at all, then "contribute".

I am satisfied with what I use at the moment (SM) especially since they got Isle of Man license. Fact is that industry is in deep waters with IBC, SBO and everything that is happening with limits and odds so if that doesn't resolve I will look elsewhere, but looking short-term, it is looking grim.

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I signed up with Odyssey this morning. Everything was via live chat. Deposited via bitcoin and they created a Winfair account for me.
But the url is for betmantra not winfair, they tell me its the same thing.

I browsed the betmantra site and it looks somewhat like orbitx. Site seemed unresponsive when I clicked on some markets. I hope it behaves better for horses this afternoon, I'll be betting Belmont, Keenland and Finga Lakes via this betfair clone.

[littlekona]

I signed up with Odyssey this morning. Everything was via live chat. Deposited via bitcoin and they created a Winfair account for me.
But the url is for betmantra not winfair, they tell me its the same thing.

I browsed the betmantra site and it looks somewhat like orbitx. Site seemed unresponsive when I clicked on some markets. I hope it behaves better for horses this afternoon, I'll be betting Belmont, Keenland and Finga Lakes via this betfair clone.

same here...I love the exchange even when I play into pari mutual horizontal wagers I use as a tool to find the "real" or "false" weak favorite..Seems the exchange is much sharper $$$ on chalks and great tool

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same here...I love the exchange even when I play into pari mutual horizontal wagers I use as a tool to find the "real" or "false" weak favorite..Seems the exchange is much sharper $$$ on chalks and great tool

I learned a while back that there are some extremely sharp horse bettors betting US tracks on Betfair.

As a guy that mostly bets against (lay) horses I thought it was easy money.

Then I had this happen a few times:
example - Tampa Downs. Claiming race, 5 mins to post the fave is 2-1 but on Betfair there are tons of offers for even money, so i snap them up (lay against). Then as post time approaches and they are loading into the gate horse is 7-5 and betfair still has a ton of money available to lay at even. Then the gates open and the fave is now 3-5 and wins easily. This has happened to me a bunch of times before I clued in.

Lesson learned was valuable and now I am better at betting against and much better at scalping when I can anticipate a price getting worse closer to post time.

[littlekona]

I learned a while back that there are some extremely sharp horse bettors betting US tracks on Betfair.

As a guy that mostly bets against (lay) horses I thought it was easy money.

Then I had this happen a few times:
example - Tampa Downs. Claiming race, 5 mins to post the fave is 2-1 but on Betfair there are tons of offers for even money, so i snap them up (lay against). Then as post time approaches and they are loading into the gate horse is 7-5 and betfair still has a ton of money available to lay at even. Then the gates open and the fave is now 3-5 and wins easily. This has happened to me a bunch of times before I clued in.

Lesson learned was valuable and now I am better at betting against and much better at scalping when I can anticipate a price getting worse closer to post time.

the only easy lay money is when you see the chalk act up, run off or break through gate and then I pound the lay...sometimes i am shocked they dont scratch em but for layers it's great..Great example was last saturday at Charles town the 1/9 chalk basically flipped in gate reared and they still ran him he finished off board

[Ruifgalmeida]

ahahahahaha I'm not into that type of things .. I'm asking this just because I want to be sure that if I request a 15.000 Euros withdrawal (for example) I will get paid.. I read a post in this forum from a user that had problems with AsianConnect for a 5 digits withdrawal.

Asian connection is probably the broker with best reputation, the problems are normally closed account of a 3party, normally exchange, and people who failed on KYC, to me the most serious brokers, no funny business with them.

[Ruifgalmeida]

ahahahahaha I'm not into that type of things .. I'm asking this just because I want to be sure that if I request a 15.000 Euros withdrawal (for example) I will get paid.. I read a post in this forum from a user that had problems with AsianConnect for a 5 digits withdrawal.

Asian connection is probably the broker with best reputation, the problems are normally closed account of a 3party, normally exchange, and people who failed on KYC, to me the most serious brokers, no funny business with them.

[drv41]

ahahahahaha I'm not into that type of things .. I'm asking this just because I want to be sure that if I request a 15.000 Euros withdrawal (for example) I will get paid.. I read a post in this forum from a user that had problems with AsianConnect for a 5 digits withdrawal.

AC88 is the most reliable broker out there. I've been using their service for over 11 years now and they've never missed a payment.

[arie1985]

Asian connection is probably the broker with best reputation, the problems are normally closed account of a 3party, normally exchange, and people who failed on KYC, to me the most serious brokers, no funny business with them.

AC88 is the most reliable broker out there. I've been using their service for over 11 years now and they've never missed a payment.

Which is why I suggested Odsy88, it's the same, just no KYC.

[lonnie55]

Which is why I suggested Odsy88, it's the same, just no KYC.

But they deny a link to AC

[tingasdt]

Hello, yes.

My experience with Mountbet --- betmantra via BiA is similar.
I have noticed failures in the functioning of the hyperlinks when clicking click and also of its correct update on the same screen.
When you try to click on a odds ( normally in very high markets ... it does not transfer it and the betting coupon fails ... however if you click double click then it appears.
Another failure is when you launch the bet and after the delay of 5 sec it is moved (because it is deducted from the balance) but the bet coupon does not show it ... then you must refresh or have another window open that will have been updated and you can cancel if You think it convenient.

Another fault is when you want to cancel the position bet odds .. click on “cancel all unmatched” and it does not proceed to cancel because it does not receive the hyperlink order… again you must resort to refresh or another open window…

These are details that I have verified that do not have to do with browser or S.O system ... but it is possibly part of the interface deficiency ... and this is not good and should be improved quickly.

In addition it is frequent that it does not replicate all the markets of an event that are really open in original betfair…

It is necessary that if this is widespread we let our agents knowI have already done it but it would be better if someone who expresses themselves better in English than me.

[arie1985]

But they deny a link to AC

Might be 2 different companies or one that studied AC88 and decided to do it differently - one way or another Nitrogen is the same, Sportsbet.io is the same - only Odsy doesn't care if you win or lose, they are intermediary - that's their advantage.

[Ruifgalmeida]

Which is why I suggested Odsy88, it's the same, just no KYC.

Odsy88 and AC are not in the same ballpark, AC as been around for long time with a very good reputation, Odsy88 is a new broker that nobody knows.

[littlekona]

Odsy88 and AC are not in the same ballpark, AC as been around for long time with a very good reputation, Odsy88 is a new broker that nobody knows.

When i asked when signing up they said around about year if remember right...try em out and report back...so far so good here esp w the winfair24 site and fast withdrawals.....i do feel like im talking to AC88 chat same talk tracks...maybe jus cultural thing...i also opened pinny and they said fine to have one w them and ac88

[Poisec]

Questions regarding Pinnacle through agents

Hi,
let's say I ask for a Pinnacle through AsianConnect or BetinAsia.

1- are the odds exactly the same as a real Pinnacle account?
2- do the lines open at the same time as the real Pinnacle? (if it's the case then agents take more risk)
3- do agents have a risk position? (in short will they care if I win on a consistent basis?)

Thanks for the help.

[kacooo]

Yes, odds are the same, lines open at the same time, but limits will probably be 2x lower than on regular Pinnacle account
You can check yourself https://www.ps3838.com/en/
About question 3 I am not sure

[Ruifgalmeida]

Hi,
let's say I ask for a Pinnacle through AsianConnect or BetinAsia.

1- are the odds exactly the same as a real Pinnacle account?
2- do the lines open at the same time as the real Pinnacle? (if it's the case then agents take more risk)
3- do agents have a risk position? (in short will they care if I win on a consistent basis?)

Thanks for the help.

1- that depends on the agent, on asian connection you will have exactly same odds, on betinasia platform I had 0.02 less.
2- lines open at same time as Pinnacle

3- All brokers say they don't have any risk and that make a commission on turnover, but I have seen some threads of close accounts.

[Poisec]

Ok thanks guys.

[infotimbo]

3- All brokers say they don't have any risk and that make a commission on turnover, but I have seen some threads of close accounts.

when you open a new Pinnacle (PS3838) account via AC you get normal limits, and only after a while they are reduced to 50%.

So I can't say for certain, but I guess for new customers they are taking position in the beginning, and stop when it turns out to be not profitable for them. (the 50% Pinnacle accounts are without position taking, afaik)

[Duo42]

I mean 5 or even 6 digits withdrawals. Thank you for the reply.

I have withdrawn low 5 digits from Asian Connect without issues before.

[littlekona]

AC88 I got email this morning like I have seen few others get that Orbitx commissions is doubling to 6% through them....That is just outrageously high esp when Odys88 has them @ 3% and Winfar24 which is much more functional then Orbitx @ 4%...Full legal USA betfair can not come fast enough for us guys who need that platform

[Poisec]

AC88 I got email this morning like I have seen few others get that Orbitx commissions is doubling to 6% through them....That is just outrageously high esp when Odys88 has them @ 3% and Winfar24 which is much more functional then Orbitx @ 4%...Full legal USA betfair can not come fast enough for us guys who need that platform

If you had a direct access to Betfair your commission would probably be around 6% though, I mean UK have 5% but most countries have 6.5%.

[PunterLog]

AC88 I got email this morning like I have seen few others get that Orbitx commissions is doubling to 6% through them....That is just outrageously high esp when Odys88 has them @ 3% and Winfar24 which is much more functional then Orbitx @ 4%...Full legal USA betfair can not come fast enough for us guys who need that platform

AC's current situation with Betfair white-label's is definitely not suited for winning punters. Their upline whoever it is are absolutely ridiculous. 6% is way too high.

If you had a direct access to Betfair your commission would probably be around 6% though, I mean UK have 5% but most countries have 6.5%.

While the base rate is 6.5% you can get a discounted rate depending on your turnover. I used to have a discount rate of 40% effectively making my commission 3.9%. Also, betfair seems to be offering customers a flat 2% commission rate as an option these days.

[littlekona]

If you had a direct access to Betfair your commission would probably be around 6% though, I mean UK have 5% but most countries have 6.5%.

really wow..But then you do get some sort of a reward program/discount program I think. 1% increase is even is huge esp if you do good volume and with horses that is very easy...Wonder if AC88 is taking a piece of the action as I was on a nice run the last week

[infotimbo]

Wonder if AC88 is taking a piece of the action as I was on a nice run the last week

from my understanding, usually the agents have to, yes. You can check yourself by comparing the available amount per bet - if it differs between being loggend in and not being logged it, the agent covers the difference.

[Poisec]

AC's current situation with Betfair white-label's is definitely not suited for winning punters. Their upline whoever it is are absolutely ridiculous. 6% is way too high.

While the base rate is 6.5% you can get a discounted rate depending on your turnover. I used to have a discount rate of 40% effectively making my commission 3.9%. Also, betfair seems to be offering customers a flat 2% commission rate as an option these days.

For my type of betting it's impossible to have a discount on the rate, I do bet high amounts (4 figures) but don't bet like a mad man everyday, usually 5-10 bets per week. Far from being enough for a discount.

Also, betfair seems to be offering customers a flat 2% commission rate as an option these days.

Applies to Uk residents only I think.

[dealer wins]

If you had a direct access to Betfair your commission would probably be around 6% though, I mean UK have 5% but most countries have 6.5%.

UK is 2% now with their new rewards plans. Basic is no promotions but a flat 2% available for everyone. Hopefully this clever move will increase their declining liquidity!

[Ruifgalmeida]

When I use to have Betfair direct account the base fee was 6.5% , since I am punter not a trader , I didn't had discount, so I always had better prices at Pinnacle that with them.

[pythonic]

Apart from the UK the 5% commission base rate applies also in Ireland, Italy, Gibraltar and Malta.
Does anyone know if the 2% option is available in those countries as well?

[lonnie55]

Cancelled order still active at Mollybet platform?

Did you ever cancel an order, then the status changed from UNASSIGNED to UNPLACED but the order was still active? Just happened to me for the first time, my trade ended up with a loss due to that although it should be a profit

[Alfie White]

It did happen to me on couple of occasions in a way where I place the bet, order goes into statuses you have described and only later shows that it is accepted even though I have clicked Cancel... Explanation was that the bet "started placing and system lost connection with the book", sometimes it can be annoying, yes, but not much can be done there if the bet actually was placed with the bookmaker.

Did you get a screenshot of your bet with the bookmaker to confirm the bet was placed?