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  • TomGreywolf
    SBR Rookie
    • 03-07-09
    • 2

    #1
    SportsBook Fraud
    How much do you really know about BETUS.com?
    Do you know it for a fact or just by rumor?

    Maybe you have an account with BETUS.com or you had one.
    Do you remember me?
    I'm the account manager you knew as "Sal". The only American
    in the whole company.

    Well let me give you a taste of the Real BETUS.com.

    Remember when your deposit through Western Union or Money Gram
    never got deposited? Then you had to fight for days or weeks to get it fixed, if it got
    fixed at all. The money you lost on a bet because the money wasn't put into
    your account.
    Well Ladies and Germs, here it is.
    It's because your deposit was stolen by an account manager. That's right!
    Stolen by an account manager who had you send the money in their name or
    a relatives name in Panama, Belize, Costa Rica or the Phillipines. Then you got
    offered a cock-eyed deal on some "Freeplay" bonus that cost you more money
    in the long run.
    Ahhhhh! Now that makes a light go off in your head doesn't it.

    Account managers plugging in USB's into BETUS.com computers and
    copying everything. Everything from your bank info, Credit Card info the
    whole nine yards. Using their cellphone to text your credit card info
    to their second cellphone to buy stuff later.
    Remember that cash advance you sent through Western Union or
    Money Gram to someone you don't even know?
    Remember when you bought that stereo, teleivision, camcorder or
    digital camera online. But you never got it or even remember buying any
    such thing. Then you had to fight with the bank and credit card company
    to get your money back; if you got it back at all.

    That's right boys and girls, BETUS.com.

    Oh! I almost forgot! Remember when there was a mixup in you getting your
    payout? BETUS.com agents said it was a snafu and it took them awhile to fix
    it, if at all.
    That's because an account manager went into your acct., changed they info long
    enough to issue a payout to a relative or friend they have in the U.S..
    Then after the payout was issued and confirmed, they go back in your account
    and put back to normal.

    Would you like to know more about how the account managers feel
    about you the customer?
    How about, how some account managers broker drug deals in the USA
    using BETUS.com phones and active accounts?

    It was a pain in the ass when BETUS wouldn't admit that someone else
    accessed your account, made payouts to someone else or made bets that
    you didn't make.
    Hmmm, wonder who that could have been?

    Maybe you'd like to know the real deal on why your credit card didn't work
    or got double or triple charged. Then you got offered a cock-eyed deal on
    some "Freeplay" bonus that cost you more money in the long run.

    How bout that BETUS doesn't EVER pay the commissions to the account
    managers on time. Then they're rarely correct.
    So the majority of the account managers figure, "What the Hell,
    BETUS isn't treating me right, so why should I give a damn".

    Do you remember when All those account managers you knew in Panama
    suddenly dissappeared? LOL!
    Thats because they shut down two weeks before Christmas. Thats right, 2 weeks
    before Santa Day. Then didn't pay!
    Pay attention to the info I'm giving you.
    They didn't pay until after Christmas; then when they paid, they didn't pay all
    they owed.
    Now they are getting ready to open back up in Panama and they are even re-hiring
    some of the same account managers they screwed over, begging them to come back.
    The same supervisors who have allowed so much fraud and theft to occur, are being
    brought back in to run BETUS.com Panama all over again.

    Why do you think that BETUS requires their account managers to change their name?
    Thats right, BETUS requires them to have a "Phone Name" in place of their real one.

    Do You Think You Know The Real Deal About BETUS.com?

    You Don't!

    I do because I worked there.

    I'll tell you anything you want to know and I won't lie to you.

    BTW! My real name is Tom not "Sal". I'm an American, not Canadian, Panamanian,
    Costa Rican or otherwise.
    I worked for BETUS for 7 months.
    The only thing I learned from them if I actually wanted to steal from people.
    Now I know how with no consequences.
    After all, who's coming to Costa Rica or Panama to get me.
    Hell! The customer doesn't even know my real name.

    Just so we're clear! I've never stolen from anyone. Never will.
    Even if they doubled my salary I wouldn't go back to work for BETUS.





    Last edited by The General; 03-07-09, 01:03 PM. Reason: Removed Email
  • TomGreywolf
    SBR Rookie
    • 03-07-09
    • 2

    #2
    Sportsbook Fraud

    How much do you really know about BETUS.com?
    Do you know it for a fact or just by rumor?

    Maybe you have an account with BETUS.com or you had one.
    Do you remember me?
    I'm the account manager you knew as "Sal". The only American
    in the whole company.

    Well let me give you a taste of the Real BETUS.com.

    Remember when your deposit through Western Union or Money Gram
    never got deposited? Then you had to fight for days or weeks to get it fixed, if it got
    fixed at all. The money you lost on a bet because the money wasn't put into
    your account.
    Well Ladies and Germs, here it is.
    It's because your deposit was stolen by an account manager. That's right!
    Stolen by an account manager who had you send the money in their name or
    a relatives name in Panama, Belize, Costa Rica or the Phillipines. Then you got
    offered a cock-eyed deal on some "Freeplay" bonus that cost you more money
    in the long run.
    Ahhhhh! Now that makes a light go off in your head doesn't it.

    Account managers plugging in USB's into BETUS.com computers and
    copying everything. Everything from your bank info, Credit Card info the
    whole nine yards. Using their cellphone to text your credit card info
    to their second cellphone to buy stuff later.
    Remember that cash advance you sent through Western Union or
    Money Gram to someone you don't even know?
    Remember when you bought that stereo, teleivision, camcorder or
    digital camera online. But you never got it or even remember buying any
    such thing. Then you had to fight with the bank and credit card company
    to get your money back; if you got it back at all.

    That's right boys and girls, BETUS.com.

    Oh! I almost forgot! Remember when there was a mixup in you getting your
    payout? BETUS.com agents said it was a snafu and it took them awhile to fix
    it, if at all.
    That's because an account manager went into your acct., changed they info long
    enough to issue a payout to a relative or friend they have in the U.S..
    Then after the payout was issued and confirmed, they go back in your account
    and put back to normal.

    Would you like to know more about how the account managers feel
    about you the customer?
    How about, how some account managers broker drug deals in the USA
    using BETUS.com phones and active accounts?

    It was a pain in the ass when BETUS wouldn't admit that someone else
    accessed your account, made payouts to someone else or made bets that
    you didn't make.
    Hmmm, wonder who that could have been?

    Maybe you'd like to know the real deal on why your credit card didn't work
    or got double or triple charged. Then you got offered a cock-eyed deal on
    some "Freeplay" bonus that cost you more money in the long run.

    How bout that BETUS doesn't EVER pay the commissions to the account
    managers on time. Then they're rarely correct.
    So the majority of the account managers figure, "What the Hell,
    BETUS isn't treating me right, so why should I give a damn".

    Do you remember when All those account managers you knew in Panama
    suddenly dissappeared? LOL!
    Thats because they shut down two weeks before Christmas. Thats right, 2 weeks
    before Santa Day. Then didn't pay!
    Pay attention to the info I'm giving you.
    They didn't pay until after Christmas; then when they paid, they didn't pay all
    they owed.
    Now they are getting ready to open back up in Panama and they are even re-hiring
    some of the same account managers they screwed over, begging them to come back.
    The same supervisors who have allowed so much fraud and theft to occur, are being
    brought back in to run BETUS.com Panama all over again.

    Why do you think that BETUS requires their account managers to change their name?
    Thats right, BETUS requires them to have a "Phone Name" in place of their real one.

    Do You Think You Know The Real Deal About BETUS.com?

    You Don't!

    I do because I worked there.

    I'll tell you anything you want to know and I won't lie to you.

    BTW! My real name is Tom not "Sal". I'm an American, not Canadian, Panamanian,
    Costa Rican or otherwise.
    I worked for BETUS for 7 months.
    The only thing I learned from them if I actually wanted to steal from people.
    Now I know how with no consequences.
    After all, who's coming to Costa Rica or Panama to get me.
    Hell! The customer doesn't even know my real name.

    Just so we're clear! I've never stolen from anyone. Never will.
    Even if they doubled my salary I wouldn't go back to work for BETUS.





    Last edited by The General; 03-07-09, 01:05 PM. Reason: Removed Email
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    • ItchyHooHoo
      SBR Sharp
      • 03-06-09
      • 423

      #3
      Originally posted by TomGreywolf
      How much do you really know about BETUS.com?
      Do you know it for a fact or just by rumor?

      Maybe you have an account with BETUS.com or you had one.
      Do you remember me?
      I'm the account manager you knew as "Sal". The only American
      in the whole company.

      Well let me give you a taste of the Real BETUS.com.

      Remember when your deposit through Western Union or Money Gram
      never got deposited? Then you had to fight for days or weeks to get it fixed, if it got
      fixed at all. The money you lost on a bet because the money wasn't put into
      your account.
      Well Ladies and Germs, here it is.
      It's because your deposit was stolen by an account manager. That's right!
      Stolen by an account manager who had you send the money in their name or
      a relatives name in Panama, Belize, Costa Rica or the Phillipines. Then you got
      offered a cock-eyed deal on some "Freeplay" bonus that cost you more money
      in the long run.
      Ahhhhh! Now that makes a light go off in your head doesn't it.

      Account managers plugging in USB's into BETUS.com computers and
      copying everything. Everything from your bank info, Credit Card info the
      whole nine yards. Using their cellphone to text your credit card info
      to their second cellphone to buy stuff later.
      Remember that cash advance you sent through Western Union or
      Money Gram to someone you don't even know?
      Remember when you bought that stereo, teleivision, camcorder or
      digital camera online. But you never got it or even remember buying any
      such thing. Then you had to fight with the bank and credit card company
      to get your money back; if you got it back at all.

      That's right boys and girls, BETUS.com.

      Oh! I almost forgot! Remember when there was a mixup in you getting your
      payout? BETUS.com agents said it was a snafu and it took them awhile to fix
      it, if at all.
      That's because an account manager went into your acct., changed they info long
      enough to issue a payout to a relative or friend they have in the U.S..
      Then after the payout was issued and confirmed, they go back in your account
      and put back to normal.

      Would you like to know more about how the account managers feel
      about you the customer?
      How about, how some account managers broker drug deals in the USA
      using BETUS.com phones and active accounts?

      It was a pain in the ass when BETUS wouldn't admit that someone else
      accessed your account, made payouts to someone else or made bets that
      you didn't make.
      Hmmm, wonder who that could have been?

      Maybe you'd like to know the real deal on why your credit card didn't work
      or got double or triple charged. Then you got offered a cock-eyed deal on
      some "Freeplay" bonus that cost you more money in the long run.

      How bout that BETUS doesn't EVER pay the commissions to the account
      managers on time. Then they're rarely correct.
      So the majority of the account managers figure, "What the Hell,
      BETUS isn't treating me right, so why should I give a damn".

      Do you remember when All those account managers you knew in Panama
      suddenly dissappeared? LOL!
      Thats because they shut down two weeks before Christmas. Thats right, 2 weeks
      before Santa Day. Then didn't pay!
      Pay attention to the info I'm giving you.
      They didn't pay until after Christmas; then when they paid, they didn't pay all
      they owed.
      Now they are getting ready to open back up in Panama and they are even re-hiring
      some of the same account managers they screwed over, begging them to come back.
      The same supervisors who have allowed so much fraud and theft to occur, are being
      brought back in to run BETUS.com Panama all over again.

      Why do you think that BETUS requires their account managers to change their name?
      Thats right, BETUS requires them to have a "Phone Name" in place of their real one.

      Do You Think You Know The Real Deal About BETUS.com?

      You Don't!

      I do because I worked there.

      I'll tell you anything you want to know and I won't lie to you.

      BTW! My real name is Tom not "Sal". I'm an American, not Canadian, Panamanian,
      Costa Rican or otherwise.
      I worked for BETUS for 7 months.
      The only thing I learned from them if I actually wanted to steal from people.
      Now I know how with no consequences.
      After all, who's coming to Costa Rica or Panama to get me.
      Hell! The customer doesn't even know my real name.

      Just so we're clear! I've never stolen from anyone. Never will.
      Even if they doubled my salary I wouldn't go back to work for BETUS.





      You just took ten minutes to tell us that betus is no good like we dont already know that?
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      • vinnie
        SBR High Roller
        • 09-06-08
        • 117

        #4
        Originally posted by TomGreywolf
        How much do you really know about BETUS.com?
        Do you know it for a fact or just by rumor?

        Maybe you have an account with BETUS.com or you had one.
        Do you remember me?
        I'm the account manager you knew as "Sal". The only American
        in the whole company.

        Well let me give you a taste of the Real BETUS.com.

        Remember when your deposit through Western Union or Money Gram
        never got deposited? Then you had to fight for days or weeks to get it fixed, if it got
        fixed at all. The money you lost on a bet because the money wasn't put into
        your account.
        Well Ladies and Germs, here it is.
        It's because your deposit was stolen by an account manager. That's right!
        Stolen by an account manager who had you send the money in their name or
        a relatives name in Panama, Belize, Costa Rica or the Phillipines. Then you got
        offered a cock-eyed deal on some "Freeplay" bonus that cost you more money
        in the long run.
        Ahhhhh! Now that makes a light go off in your head doesn't it.

        Account managers plugging in USB's into BETUS.com computers and
        copying everything. Everything from your bank info, Credit Card info the
        whole nine yards. Using their cellphone to text your credit card info
        to their second cellphone to buy stuff later.
        Remember that cash advance you sent through Western Union or
        Money Gram to someone you don't even know?
        Remember when you bought that stereo, teleivision, camcorder or
        digital camera online. But you never got it or even remember buying any
        such thing. Then you had to fight with the bank and credit card company
        to get your money back; if you got it back at all.

        That's right boys and girls, BETUS.com.

        Oh! I almost forgot! Remember when there was a mixup in you getting your
        payout? BETUS.com agents said it was a snafu and it took them awhile to fix
        it, if at all.
        That's because an account manager went into your acct., changed they info long
        enough to issue a payout to a relative or friend they have in the U.S..
        Then after the payout was issued and confirmed, they go back in your account
        and put back to normal.

        Would you like to know more about how the account managers feel
        about you the customer?
        How about, how some account managers broker drug deals in the USA
        using BETUS.com phones and active accounts?

        It was a pain in the ass when BETUS wouldn't admit that someone else
        accessed your account, made payouts to someone else or made bets that
        you didn't make.
        Hmmm, wonder who that could have been?

        Maybe you'd like to know the real deal on why your credit card didn't work
        or got double or triple charged. Then you got offered a cock-eyed deal on
        some "Freeplay" bonus that cost you more money in the long run.

        How bout that BETUS doesn't EVER pay the commissions to the account
        managers on time. Then they're rarely correct.
        So the majority of the account managers figure, "What the Hell,
        BETUS isn't treating me right, so why should I give a damn".

        Do you remember when All those account managers you knew in Panama
        suddenly dissappeared? LOL!
        Thats because they shut down two weeks before Christmas. Thats right, 2 weeks
        before Santa Day. Then didn't pay!
        Pay attention to the info I'm giving you.
        They didn't pay until after Christmas; then when they paid, they didn't pay all
        they owed.
        Now they are getting ready to open back up in Panama and they are even re-hiring
        some of the same account managers they screwed over, begging them to come back.
        The same supervisors who have allowed so much fraud and theft to occur, are being
        brought back in to run BETUS.com Panama all over again.

        Why do you think that BETUS requires their account managers to change their name?
        Thats right, BETUS requires them to have a "Phone Name" in place of their real one.

        Do You Think You Know The Real Deal About BETUS.com?

        You Don't!

        I do because I worked there.

        I'll tell you anything you want to know and I won't lie to you.

        BTW! My real name is Tom not "Sal". I'm an American, not Canadian, Panamanian,
        Costa Rican or otherwise.
        I worked for BETUS for 7 months.
        The only thing I learned from them if I actually wanted to steal from people.
        Now I know how with no consequences.
        After all, who's coming to Costa Rica or Panama to get me.
        Hell! The customer doesn't even know my real name.

        Just so we're clear! I've never stolen from anyone. Never will.
        Even if they doubled my salary I wouldn't go back to work for BETUS.





        You sound like a bitter ex-employee....you had to post on every site huh?? it only took you 7 months to figure it out???
        Comment
        • SlappyWhite
          SBR Sharp
          • 07-22-08
          • 443

          #5
          This thread will be epic. BTW all sports books have you send the money to panama city, panama, or lima, peru or some other such place when you deposit via **. Greek, BetJM, 5Dimes, BetUS. Also BetUS has paid me way way more than I have ever deposited so...don't suck any dicks on your way through the parking lot loser.

          IMO we have another pissed of sports champ system loser here.
          Comment
          • Mudcat
            Restricted User
            • 07-21-05
            • 9287

            #6
            BetUS is fairly crappy but a lot of OP's post doesn't ring true. I have heard quite a few complaints about BetUS over my years in the industry. I have a good picture of the nature of their crappiness, and it doesn't match up with the scenarios being outlined here.

            The real stuff that has happened with BetUS is sufficient to judge them. We don't need to be making stuff up.
            Comment
            • ItchyHooHoo
              SBR Sharp
              • 03-06-09
              • 423

              #7
              Originally posted by Mudcat
              BetUS is fairly crappy but a lot of OP's post doesn't ring true. I have heard quite a few complaints about BetUS over my years in the industry. I have a good picture of the nature of their crappiness, and it doesn't match up with the scenarios being outlined here.

              The real stuff that has happened with BetUS is sufficient to judge them. We don't need to be making stuff up.
              Comment
              • MadStu
                SBR High Roller
                • 03-06-09
                • 124

                #8
                I can believe it, they're really starting to pee me off.
                Comment
                • fiveteamer
                  SBR Posting Legend
                  • 04-14-08
                  • 10805

                  #9
                  I can believe it. Why not?
                  Comment
                  • MadStu
                    SBR High Roller
                    • 03-06-09
                    • 124

                    #10
                    I asked for a payout from them last saturday. International bank wire, and I got it in my bank on Wednesday. Pretty good right? Then I realised, that instead of the $300 which I'd asked for (and paid a $25 fee for) they'd only sent me $252.53. That's $47.47 short! Where did that go? WTF?

                    Anyway, I asked them about it, and they asked me to prove it, so I scanned in a copy of the statement from my bank. And today I got a payment from them, into my online balance of $37.47. What is happening? Now it's still $10 short!

                    So anyway, I asked them about that, and they say it's a fee taken by my bank - on the statement I gave them, it shows that the amount I received from them, was $252.53. Converted into GBP (Pounds Sterling) that worked out to be £165.40. My bank then took a £10 GBP fee from that amount, and I got £155.40 cleared in my bank account.

                    They say they've not paid the $10 USD because that's the fee my bank took! Well, they're wrong on two counts!

                    I'm waiting to hear from them again now. But where has my money gone to? Why don't they know how much they've sent? I'm extremely happy with the speed of payment, and I didn't mind paying the $25 fee for this, but everything to do with this seems shady.
                    Comment
                    • Fizzz
                      SBR High Roller
                      • 01-27-09
                      • 247

                      #11
                      So... Vinnie was the one who worked for BetUS?
                      Where in hell did he get this info? This story has a lot of ocean's eleven crap into it
                      Comment
                      • Mudcat
                        Restricted User
                        • 07-21-05
                        • 9287

                        #12
                        Originally posted by fiveteamer
                        I can believe it. Why not?

                        For me, it's the nature of the complaints I have been hearing for years versus what is being described here. Example


                        Originally posted by TomGreywolf
                        Remember when your deposit through Western Union or Money Gram
                        never got deposited? Then you had to fight for days or weeks to get it fixed, if it got
                        fixed at all. The money you lost on a bet because the money wasn't put into
                        your account.
                        Well Ladies and Germs, here it is.
                        It's because your deposit was stolen by an account manager. That's right!
                        Stolen by an account manager who had you send the money in their name or
                        a relatives name in Panama, Belize, Costa Rica or the Phillipines. Then you got
                        offered a cock-eyed deal on some "Freeplay" bonus that cost you more money
                        in the long run.
                        [FONT=times new roman]

                        That's not a complaint I hear. OP is describing it like it's happening all the time but I don't remember ever hearing of someone being given a freeplay in place of a cash deposit. Something like that would be scandalous.

                        There would be SBR complaints - which SBR would publicize. Guys would go to the forums. That is a very cut-and-dry scam situation. Someone does a ** deposit, they have paperwork. It can't be refuted.


                        But that and this other stuff are not the kind of complaints I have been hearing over the years. I hear about very standard slow-pays and bait-and-switches on bonus deals and confiscations based on dubious discretionary calls. None of that fits with the picture OP is painting.


                        None of what I am saying is proof positive of anything. It is impressionistic. It is possible that these sorts of things really are happening all the time but nobody is reporting them - meanwhile other sorts of complaints are getting reported.

                        It really is a splitting hairs scenario. We agree BetUS sucks. The only dispute is how they suck.

                        I just feel that OP is embellishing due to some personal agenda.
                        Comment
                        • sofun
                          SBR Sharp
                          • 05-22-08
                          • 361

                          #13
                          whatever it is, the information is good to hear and Thanks for that
                          Comment
                          • JsmooveFTW
                            SBR MVP
                            • 11-17-08
                            • 1279

                            #14
                            The info or any misinformation is good regardless. Why would anyone use these jokers? How much of their scam money do they spend on their calendars and model shoots? Frauds in the 1st degree.
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