Canceled bets at Pinnacle

RickySteve · 02-04-09, 10:12 PM

Ban for spam, in my opinion.

Justin7 · 02-04-09, 10:31 PM

Originally posted by RickySteve

Ban for spam, in my opinion.

Blame me. I referred him to this site.

Willie Bee · 02-05-09, 06:21 AM

Jake, if you can't post the link for everyone to see, then there's really no need to even mention the name of the site, is there? And without an easy way to verify, it sort of takes away from the claims in my opinion.

pico · 02-05-09, 06:24 AM

post a screen shot. otherwise, we all think you're making up shit.

DIF · 02-05-09, 07:06 AM

pico

I also have game cancelled. but with Olympic sports(the greek). ( it was no bad line at all) They lie to me.

here is the line history.

PUCKLINES
02/04 01:57PM: +1½ -110 / -1½ -110
02/04 04:56PM: +1½ -115 / -1½ -105
02/04 07:56PM: +1½ -120 / -1½ +100
02/05 12:42AM: +1½ -135 / -1½ +115
02/05 03:05AM: +1½ -150 / -1½ +130
02/05 03:47AM: +1½ -135 / -1½ +115
02/05 05:25AM: +1½ -125 / -1½ +105

I bet +130 when I got the line. (it was nothing wrong at all)

Its just dirty business. You cant trust anyone anymore. Not even the A graded companies.

AUSSIE_PUNTER · 02-05-09, 07:20 AM

poor people then change sportsbooks

pico · 02-05-09, 07:25 AM

Originally posted by DIF

pico

I also have game cancelled. but with Olympic sports(the greek). ( it was no bad line at all) They lie to me.

here is the line history.

PUCKLINES
02/04 01:57PM: +1½ -110 / -1½ -110
02/04 04:56PM: +1½ -115 / -1½ -105
02/04 07:56PM: +1½ -120 / -1½ +100
02/05 12:42AM: +1½ -135 / -1½ +115
02/05 03:05AM: +1½ -150 / -1½ +130
02/05 03:47AM: +1½ -135 / -1½ +115
02/05 05:25AM: +1½ -125 / -1½ +105

I bet +130 when I got the line. (it was nothing wrong at all)

Its just dirty business. You cant trust anyone anymore. Not even the A graded companies.

when did you get an email informing you about cancelled bet?

did you make a limit bet or just a small play?

+130 was hanging around there for good 40 min. when did you place the bet at the greek?

trixtrix · 02-05-09, 09:53 AM

this is obv not spam, why don't we just resort to discussing the underlying dispute instead?

this type of policy, by PINNACLE of all books, assuming all facts are disclosed as stated, i agree is totally biased against the player and sets a dangerous precedent.. all other books is going to say: hell if pinny can do it, so can we..

pico · 02-05-09, 09:59 AM

i am interested to see what justin found.

Richkas · 02-05-09, 10:12 AM

Originally posted by Justin7

Blame me. I referred him to this site.

Is that the jakem from lva and BC?

Richkas · 02-05-09, 10:13 AM

If these accusations are true, then thats a big boost for cw.

DIF · 02-05-09, 10:48 AM

allright . Im not 100% sure the other line was set to -150 at that time I bet +130 . If that is the case I have to give Olympic a apoligize..They told me the line +130 was an error, nothing more. And they apoligize me. For example. If that line was set at -140 vs +130 I agree it was aan error because they got 20cents-lines.

its todays game washington capitals-Los Angeles Kings. pointspread.

blackbart · 02-05-09, 10:49 AM

members is for real and a stand up guy.
this is a serious allegation and despicable behavior

HeeeHAWWWW · 02-05-09, 11:34 AM

Any screenshots?

Peep · 02-05-09, 12:38 PM

Ricklas, to mention CW and Pinnacle in the same sentence is stupid. And I play at both.

We are very short of details on the Pinnacle bet. Even without screen shots, we don't know

1) How much was bet
2) At what time(s)
3) Was it at a widely available line (or close).
4) What game
5) Does the player have a history of "anticipating" line moves? If so, from what I know, Pinny will limit him sharply.

Mudcat · 02-05-09, 12:41 PM

So far, this thread has zero effect on my opinion of Pinnacle.

c-rok · 02-05-09, 12:50 PM

still planning on putting a few g's into pinny for march madness. would need some solid evidence this is true to believe it. just heard way too many good things about pinny

blackbart · 02-05-09, 01:30 PM

he has posted the details, one of the games was the denver/sa game where the line moved from 6 to 11. they reduced his max bet well after the move.

Santo · 02-05-09, 01:33 PM

From what I've read elsewhere, it appears they linked him to some other accounts, and they have a longstanding policy of reducing/cancelling bets where they think they're getting multi-popped from the same person (group?).

That doesn't mean it's correct, but probably means the details warrant further examination. Of course, that kind of attention is probably not beneficial for the player, so wouldn't be surprised if they decline to pursue it.

pico · 02-05-09, 01:43 PM

makes sense. he is part of the syndicate play.

Peep · 02-05-09, 01:43 PM

Good posts Blackbart and Santo. Adding information to the mix.

Appreciated.

Ortho · 02-05-09, 01:57 PM

Originally posted by c-rok

still planning on putting a few g's into pinny for march madness. would need some solid evidence this is true to believe it. just heard way too many good things about pinny

You and your "g's" should be fine.

Shortstop · 02-05-09, 02:07 PM

Originally posted by c-rok

still planning on putting a few g's into pinny for march madness. would need some solid evidence this is true to believe it. just heard way too many good things about pinny

What does that have to do with anything?

JELLYBEAN · 02-05-09, 02:11 PM

It was not a "double hit". It was just information this guy had before anyone else(denver game vs spurs) and pinnacle decided they could just reduce what he bet way after the bet was accepted. Keep in mind the player has placed many bets that didnt go his way with the line and he cannot call pinnacle and say he wants he bet cancelled or reduced because he took a wrong lead. This is 100% dispicable behavior by pinnalce. The guy is telling the 100% truth and there is nothing more to the story. I see the thread was deleted at the other forum it was posted at, so I am assuming pinnacle made good on there wrong doing and part of the agreement was to delete the thread(this is just my thoughts) Pinnacle has gone way down hill. Sure your money is safe, but they a far cry from who they used to be.

pico · 02-05-09, 02:38 PM

Originally posted by JELLYBEAN

It was not a "double hit". It was just information this guy had before anyone else(denver game vs spurs) and pinnacle decided they could just reduce what he bet way after the bet was accepted. Keep in mind the player has placed many bets that didnt go his way with the line and he cannot call pinnacle and say he wants he bet cancelled or reduced because he took a wrong lead. This is 100% dispicable behavior by pinnalce. The guy is telling the 100% truth and there is nothing more to the story. I see the thread was deleted at the other forum it was posted at, so I am assuming pinnacle made good on there wrong doing and part of the agreement was to delete the thread(this is just my thoughts) Pinnacle has gone way down hill. Sure your money is safe, but they a far cry from who they used to be.

interesting point of view. however i have many limit bets with pinnacle that got cancelled due to match up error or some other problem. some are winners and some are losers. they're not shady at all. i remember i placed a limit bet on some soccer game that had a wrong opposing team listed, so it got cancelled after the game was over...and the limit bet was a loser. they refunded my money even they know i lost the bet. pinnacle is A+ in my book.

blackbart · 02-05-09, 02:43 PM

i hope that is why the thread disappeared. In any case something[s] is going on and it aint good.
remember pinnacle is set up to automatically move on these type limit bets, therefore they can not be "double popped" even if he was attempting to [he was not}.

next time you make a good bet and joe blow feels like canceling it cause pinnacle does, maybe then it will matter.

JELLYBEAN · 02-05-09, 02:49 PM

I can almost guarantee you a deal is being made to take care of this situation. The thread being deleted is a tell tale sign. There is no doubt 'H" is going to pay the guy his money. The only problem is there is no way to explain there actions in the first place. And that is the bigger issue.

Peep · 02-05-09, 02:50 PM

Yes, I don't like the "Bodogging" of the thread part at all. What forum was it that took the thread down? And why did Willie Bee edit out the name of the forum? Does he get paid by the edit?

This thread is pretty safe here I think, in that Justin7 recommended it be brought up here for further investigation and consideration.

pico · 02-05-09, 02:58 PM

willie is on the take

Peep · 02-05-09, 03:01 PM

LOL. Willie WISHES he was on the take. (If Pinnacle pushes me some cash, I can forget about them pressuring starving watchpuppy sites to take down threads too).

blackbart · 02-05-09, 03:03 PM

i am surprised justin has not spoken up.
he is the reason jake brought this here. according to members he had verified pinnacle canceling wagers in multiple accounts multiple times. As if this were some kind of new policy, and no they were not mistakes, just good numbers. i would guess six figures in total in canceled wagers.

Justin7 · 02-05-09, 05:56 PM

I'd like to investigate the facts... But there is no official complaint.

GodofGamblers · 02-05-09, 06:16 PM

Originally posted by pico

when did you get an email informing you about cancelled bet?

did you make a limit bet or just a small play?

+130 was hanging around there for good 40 min. when did you place the bet at the greek?

Got mine cancelled as well on the Capitals -1.5. Didn't look very out of line to me. They said it should have been +115 in their e-mail, but when I logged into the Greek it was +105 by then so took +115 at Cris instead

Stumpage · 02-05-09, 11:44 PM

Interesting thread.....It caught my attention mainly because I'm quite sure there is not a human on this planet who has placed more wagers at Pinnacle than myself over the last decade or so, and over that time (We're talking many thousands of wagers) I've had a bet cancelled exactly one time.

They are as solid a book now as they were years ago.