Aris Thessaloniki - Manchester City - UEFA Europa League

[RbN]

ok then tell me, why didnt barca win many trophies between 2006 and 2008 after just having won the champions league in 2006? every few years the team needs to be rebuilt and someimes the new team is better than the old one? does that make the previous version of the team and its players rubbish?? NO just different

I don't see what ur trying to point out. Also it looks like its useless discussing with some people here since they got the intellect of a 5 years old, but ok last try.

How could you say who's the best player by showing stats of total games played and total goals? Do you agree with this, then we dont need to continue discussing.

Looking at players like Xavi and Iniesta, not such a goalscorers but they are the key part of the success of Barca and the Spain team. They are the suppliers of killing passes on Messi. They make sure Messi get in one-on-one situations with a defender. Without Xavi and Iniesta Barca wouldn't be able to play this dominating passing game. Messi benefits by those 2 key players on the midfield, not saying he isn't great also. Theres always much more then total amount of goals being made.

[The Special One]

RBN, are you completely OUT OF YOUR MIND?

If you think Tevez isnt their best player, or especially that Silva is, you are completely delusional!!!!

First of all, Tevez is their ONLY good player and Silva has done almost nothing for them since he arrived... so if not Tevez, who is their best player?

[Soon2BRich]

The point about rebuilding teams was about van nistelrooy

Seriously dude its like talkig to a brick wall, u must be a retard or something. anyway forget it i cant be bothered

[RbN]

The point about rebuilding teams was about van nistelrooy Seriously dude its like talkig to a brick wall, u must be a retard or something. anyway forget it i cant be bothered

Brick wall, right pal. Im there one who is explaining my point of view. You just give cheap shots like retards and shit. Forget it

[Soon2BRich]

u r a retard, u like to pretend you know everything about football but you know fuk all.

[RubberKettle]

Don't even bother with this guy. He does not post picks or give insight; he just starts arguments.

He should take his combative attitude out of soccer forum.

[tullamore21]

Typical response when your out of words. Ive explained well enough in this topic why I think Tevez is not the best player of that team. Thought u would go outside....

so who is the best player at this team?

[senser]

Is anybody watching the game? Did Mnc play good untill now? I can get them Live @ 2.15.

[RbN]

u r a retard, u like to pretend you know everything about football but you know fuk all.

You don't know anything. You look at total goals scored by a player and you say he's the best of a team. What a joke. This means Xavi and Iniesta are not the best at Barca?

[tullamore21]

Is anybody watching the game? Did Mnc play good untill now? I can get them Live @ 2.15.

City has the possesion of the game, but hasn't lost any good chances to score yet.
Aris plays in a 4-5-1 defending system and trying to couner attack in some cases, without having result.
there are always doubled team players when City is in offence. the game takes action at the half court in front of Aris goalpost, but nothing really happens...

boring game.
City without ideas...

[RbN]

so who is the best player at this team?

Best players at City? Toure and Silva. Kompany is great also , but defenders can't simply be a best player of a team.

[RbN]

Don't even bother with this guy. He does not post picks or give insight; he just starts arguments. He should take his combative attitude out of soccer forum.

Thought forums are made for discussions. Some people can't handle advances discussions about football, due to a lack of insight in the game. It's ok, this insight comes with years. Take away Xavi and Iniesta from Barca's midfield and lets see how they will play , you and I know that Messi will do a lot worse.

[RbN]

Do you think Man Utd would have been so great as they where without Scholes, Giggs and Keane? Influance of strikers about the way of a team playing is overrated. Midfielders are much more valuable.

A Ajax without Cruijff? Without Seedorf? Rijkaard?

Real without Zidane? France without Zidane?

I can go on all night.

Its not strange worlds greatest footballers are all midfielders.

[senser]

City has the possesion of the game, but hasn't lost any good chances to score yet.
Aris plays in a 4-5-1 defending system and trying to couner attack in some cases, without having result.
there are always doubled team players when City is in offence. the game takes action at the half court in front of Aris goalpost, but nothing really happens...

boring game.
City without ideas...

Ah ok thanks! just gonna pass it than. They'll probably finish them at home.

[senser]

Do you think Man Utd would have been so great as they where without Scholes, Giggs and Keane? Influance of strikers about the way of a team playing is overrated. Midfielders are much more valuable.

A Ajax without Cruijff? Without Seedorf? Rijkaard?

Real without Zidane? France without Zidane?

I can go on all night.

Its not strange worlds greatest footballers are all midfielders.

Ajax without Suarez? Without Van Basten? Without Ibrahimovic?

[RubberKettle]

Thought forums are made for discussions. Some people can't handle advances discussions about football, due to a lack of insight in the game. It's ok, this insight comes with years. Take away Xavi and Iniesta from Barca's midfield and lets see how they will play , you and I know that Messi will do a lot worse.

You have no insight. You do not add to the discussion. You simply argue with other members.

[nobull]

great insight in this thread .............. lots of winners ............ good luck today ........... kick da books ass again !

[RbN]

You have no insight. You do not add to the discussion. You simply argue with other members.

Haha, i've explained my points well. You don't know anything about football and you try to win with cheap words. Good luck.

I suggest you watch some more football.

[RubberKettle]

Haha, i've explained my points well. You don't know anything about football and you try to win with cheap words. Good luck. I suggest you watch some more football.

Post some winners. All you do is post argumentative comments.

[RbN]

Ajax without Suarez? Without Van Basten? Without Ibrahimovic?

Ajax didn't win anything with Suarez. He's a good player dont get me wrong, but he's not that kind of player who makes the team play better coz he loses a lot of possession which is why your team can't stay on the oppositions half all the time. Ibrahimovic was great, but those times Sneijder/Van der Vaart has been contributing much more to the team, also Mido was a better Ajax striker (laugh all you want, Ibrahimovic is ofcourse world class and way better then Mido, but those times Mido did fit way better in our squad, but his mentally not 100%). Without Van Basten (great striker though..)? We've won a couple of years later Europa cup and Champions League.

[tullamore21]

Haha, i've explained my points well. You don't know anything about football and you try to win with cheap words. Good luck.

I suggest you watch some more football.

who is the best player in Barcelona?
name ONLY one!

[RbN]

Post some winners. All you do is post argumentative comments.

Is that the rule here? You can't discuss on a forum about football until you post some winners? Fyi I got a thread in NHL section as of late, usually didnt post plays. Not interested in a discussion who have won more, useless.

[RbN]

who is the best player in Barcelona? name ONLY one!

Xavi/Iniesta can't really pick one out of those two.

[RubberKettle]

Ajax rule the world.
Only games involving Barcelona are worth watching.
All Americans are fat, lazy people who cannot play football.
Ronaldo is not a great player.

[tullamore21]

Xavi/Iniesta can't really pick one out of those two.

its is definetely Xavi, after him is Iniesta.

good call on this, most people think Messi is the best there, but i doubt if he is 4th or 5th among that squad.

anyway refering to Manchester City, Tevez is the best and the most valuable in my opinion.
when Tevez scores his team wins. It has nothing to do with the goals he can score. He is a vital member of this team.The same thing was some years earlier when he was playing for the Corinthians.

[RbN]

Ajax rule the world. Only games involving Barcelona are worth watching. All Americans are fat, lazy people who cannot play football. Ronaldo is not a great player.

1. I've never said Ronaldo hasn't been a great player. He's not among the best ever doesn't mean someone is bad.
2. I've said almost 30% of Americans are obese (you can google if you don't believe facts)
3. I've never said only games of Barca are worth watching. Each team which plays attacking football is worth watching. Prove me otherwise?
4. Ajax did rule the world, not anymore, thats a slight difference. If you don't have a clue what Ajax has ment to the football nowadays you don't not the past.

[senser]

Xavi/Iniesta can't really pick one out of those two.

They are very good players!!!

But your opinion abouth midfielders always being the most important and best players is wrong.
When you put Xavi + Iniesta in an average team, let's say Everton, that team will do better.
When you put Messi +Christiano Ronaldo in that same team, they will do A LOT better.

Case closed.

[tullamore21]

They are very good players!!!

But your opinion abouth midfielders always being the most important and best players is wrong.
When you put Xavi + Iniesta in an average team, let's say Everton, that team will do better.
When you put Messi +Christiano Ronaldo in that same team, they will do A LOT better.

Case closed.

so wrong...
i think you need to "stydy" football deeper...

Spain is a great team without Messi.
Argentina is not even close to Spain, though Messi plays for them...
just documents!!

[RbN]

They are very good players!!! But your opinion abouth midfielders always being the most important and best players is wrong. When you put Xavi + Iniesta in an average team, let's say Everton, that team will do better. When you put Messi +Christiano Ronaldo in that same team, they will do A LOT better. Case closed.

Sure case closed, no need to discuss with guys like you who say things that a 5 years old kid will say. I see zero reasons why they will do a lot better.

Put Xavi and Iniesta in Everton's midfield and they will start to dominate games and other players will be able to even play better. Xavi and Iniesta will make sure that their attack will be more productive with their constant killer balls and attracking a lot of midfielers to them to stop them, so the attackers will even get more space.

Putting two worldclass strikers in one team won't really improve a team that much. It's all about midfield to control and dominate a game. If you dont own the midfield, you are useless...

Fcuk now I explained again and I will get a 5 years old kid answer.

[senser]

so wrong...
i think you need to "stydy" football deeper...

Spain is a great team without Messi.
Argentina is not even close to Spain, though Messi plays for them...
just documents!!

That is a totall different discussion. Spain has the best players on EVERY position.
Their team is superb!! 1 or 2 top players on the opposite team(Argentina, Portugal,...) don't make a difference.

I am talking abouth an AVERAGE team with normal players on every position. You think Xavi+ Iniesta will bring that team to a higher level while I think CR+ Messi will do that better.

[senser]

Sure case closed, no need to discuss with guys like you who say things that a 5 years old kid will say. .

The funniest think is this: people always think that the most obvious answers are wrong and there are only complicated "against the crowd" answers that are correct. Answers that make you look smart.

I don't like easy and "going with the crowd" answers myself. But being smart is too know when they are right and when not.

[RbN]

That is a totall different discussion. Spain has the best players on EVERY position. Their team is superb!! 1 or 2 top players on the opposite team(Argentina, Portugal,...) don't make a difference. I am talking abouth an AVERAGE team with normal players on every position. You think Xavi+ Iniesta will bring that team to a higher level while I think CR+ Messi will do that better.

Does it ever come up your mind that a attack won't ever work without a good midfield? Once you own the midfield you own the game then the attackers will also benefit from this.

Everton or any other team will be a lot more dominant with players as Xavi and Iniesta on their midfield. I would even say you can put a average attack in front of this midfield, no problem. Its about the midfield!! Then other parts of the team will do hell of a lot better. This is why it doesn't matter wether Bojan, Pedro, Villa etc plays in attack. Even if Messi leaves Barca, no problem he is replaceble. Xavi and Iniesta are the cores of the team.

[tullamore21]

That is a totall different discussion. Spain has the best players on EVERY position.
Their team is superb!! 1 or 2 top players on the opposite team(Argentina, Portugal,...) don't make a difference.

I am talking abouth an AVERAGE team with normal players on every position. You think Xavi+ Iniesta will bring that team to a higher level while I think CR+ Messi will do that better.

i can say the same that this is a real stupid dillema.

you choose two attackersa against two midfielders. i can say same thing, with you, you see..
this is a crap question, you know.

[RbN]

i can say the same that this is a real stupid dillema. you choose two attackersa against two midfielders. i can say same thing, with you, you see.. this is a crap question, you know.

Let that guy talk. Even if we are not on the same level about Tevez, we are totally true in this case.

This guy only can come up with 5 year old kids logics.

[senser]

Does it ever come up your mind that a attack won't ever work without a good midfield? Once you own the midfield you own the game then the attackers will also benefit from this.

Everton or any other team will be a lot more dominant with players as Xavi and Iniesta on their midfield. I would even say you can put a average attack in front of this midfield, no problem. Its about the midfield!! Then other parts of the team will do hell of a lot better. This is why it doesn't matter wether Bojan, Pedro, Villa etc plays in attack. Even if Messi leaves Barca, no problem he is replaceble.

Dominate the game, probably yes. Win more games, no.
If you don't have forward players that "weigh" on defence, that have some action, who see the game good,... you have nothing. Everything stops there. Xavi and Iniesta are very controlling.

Let's explain with stats:
Iniesta this season: 23 games, goals 7, Assist 3
Messi this season: 20 games, goals 24, Assist 15
Xavi this season: 20 games, goals 3, Assist 5
Ronaldo this season: 23 games, goals 24, assist 7