Europa Futures

**Wilforth** · 09-10-09, 02:44 PM

You may do yourself the favor of removing Celtic and Roma among likely winners. You don't need to be a seer to know that Roma's defense is too bad to win the Europa League. As for Celtic, their road woes will be their undoing. I'd consider the following:

Valencia +1600
Everton +2000
Werder Bremen +2000

I think, all said and done, Valencia will win it. They have the right balance of offense and defense and a decent road form to take them all the way. Villareal looks good, but they'll always stumble at some point. Don't even talk about Galatasaray. At most, they're local champions.

**tbill11** · 09-15-09, 07:45 PM

I wanna resurrect this before I make my futures picks tomorrow. You really think Galatasaray doesn't have a legit chance in this competition? I can see your point on Celtic, but I like Galatasaray and they've looked great as of late. I don't think Everton's got a snowballs chance in hell. They're a mediocre English team who could be beaten by Valencia of Villarreal 7 days a week and twice on Sunday.

Werder Bremen's a nice addition though, I think they could make some waves in this tourney. What's the deal with Hamburger? I don't know much about them but they're up there amongst the favorites. Anybody have info?

**Wilforth** · 09-15-09, 07:49 PM

Hamburg may shine to a point, but I can CONFIRM to you, they'll drop by the wayside.

**Wilforth** · 09-15-09, 07:53 PM

Originally posted by Wilforth

You may do yourself the favor of removing Celtic and Roma among likely winners. You don't need to be a seer to know that Roma's defense is too bad to win the Europa League. As for Celtic, their road woes will be their undoing. I'd consider the following:

Valencia +1600
Everton +2000
Werder Bremen +2000

I think, all said and done, Valencia will win it. They have the right balance of offense and defense and a decent road form to take them all the way. Villareal looks good, but they'll always stumble at some point. Don't even talk about Galatasaray. At most, they're local champions.

I'm replacing Everton with Genoa. They're very balanced on both sides of the pitch.

Valencia +1600
Werder Bremen +2000
Genoa +4000

**mihaita666** · 09-15-09, 07:54 PM

well, hamburg is one og the best herman team at the moment; the have a very great offensive line, a good atmosphere a the club, and great fans
my own favorite team to win the uefa europea league is valencia, because they have some of the greatest spanish players and looks at the last 30 results of Spain. David Villa is a fenomenal striker.
AS Roma has a very easy group and they should have no pb winning it. Even that they aren't having the best start of the seasson, things might change in the spring. It all depends on how will they do it Serie A; i think that if they will be on one of the first 4th positions, they will focus more on the championship...otherwise, they might concentrate on Uefa Europa League.
Don't forget about the Uefa Champions League third places in each group. there are many strong groups and some strong teams will be playing in UEL in spring. Shatior Donetk came from UCL to win the Uefa cup last year.
U said sth about bremen. well, without Diego, i dont think it is that possible.

So i think Valencia, HSV or any UCL team.(altough i hope steaua will triumph

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**TurkzZ** · 09-15-09, 08:39 PM

Originally posted by Wilforth

You may do yourself the favor of removing Celtic and Roma among likely winners. You don't need to be a seer to know that Roma's defense is too bad to win the Europa League. As for Celtic, their road woes will be their undoing. I'd consider the following:

Valencia +1600
Everton +2000
Werder Bremen +2000

I think, all said and done, Valencia will win it. They have the right balance of offense and defense and a decent road form to take them all the way. Villareal looks good, but they'll always stumble at some point. Don't even talk about Galatasaray. At most, they're local champions.

At most Local Champions? Galatasary were in the Last 16 last season and were very unluky to go out to Hamburg, and they have improved the squad and manager, so to write them off doesnt sound like a sharp move

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**Wilforth** · 09-15-09, 08:42 PM

Take or leave it, the winner will come from any of these 3 countries: Germany, Italy, and Spain.
I've taken out Everton (England) and replaced them with Genoa (Italy).

**Karayilan9** · 09-15-09, 08:42 PM

Galatasaray +2600
Fenerbahce +4200

Great value, I picked these teams before the qualifiers to win the competition at even higher odds.

Wilforth

I think, all said and done, Valencia will win it. They have the right balance of offense and defense and a decent road form to take them all the way. Villareal looks good, but they'll always stumble at some point. Don't even talk about Galatasaray. At most, they're local champions.

Valencia don't care about this competition much, if they are doing well in the league they will field their B teams and focus on getting into the Champions League. The English teams to the same as well.

Galatasaray have a legit chance, have you watched Galatasaray this season, have you looked into them at all, don't write off a team before even looking into it. Galatasaray and Fenerbahce have better squads or just as good as every team there except Valencia.

Do not underestimate Galatasaray or Fenerbahce this season, watch some Galatasaray games and see what the legend Rijkard is doing with this team before. And its not like they haven't won this cup before, they have a good record in Europe.

I like Galatasaray, Fenerbahce, Valencia depends on their situation later in the season, Shakhtar Donetsk also a few surprise packages, CFR Cluj and Steau Bucherest or one of the other growing Eastern European sides could make a good run

**TurkzZ** · 09-15-09, 08:53 PM

Originally posted by Wilforth

Take or leave it, the winner will come from any of these 3 countries: Germany, Italy, and Spain.
I've taken out Everton (England) and replaced them with Genoa (Italy).

hmmm italian teams generally dont do so well in the Uefa/Europa league. Valencia seem strong contenders, Uefa/Europa is always a interesting tournament, lots of surprises happen, which is why i enjoy watching it more then champions league somtimes

im on Galatasaray 30/1(+2900)

**tbill11** · 09-15-09, 09:57 PM

Well, let's look at the groups first of all and see where we stand there. That might give a better opinion on how to place the future bets:

Here are my predictions (minus much explanation for now):
Group A - Ajax, Anderlecht
Group B - Valencia, Genoa
Group C - Hamburger, Celtic
Group D - Hertha Berlin, Sporting
Group E - Roma, Fulham
Group F - Galatasaray, Panathinaikos
Group G - Villarreal, Lazio
Group H - Fenerbache, Twente
Group I - Benfica, Everton
Group J - Toulouse, Shankar Donetsk
Group K - PSV Eindhoven, Kopenhagen
Group L - Werder Bremen, Club Bilbao

How does pairing work for the next rounds? I'd be interested in working out a full bracket before I make my futures bets.

**mihaita666** · 09-16-09, 05:05 AM

hey, i think you're underestimating romanian teams like .... a lot. Twente is not at all better than Steaua. And CFR Cluj has plenty of chances to qualify.

**TurkzZ** · 09-16-09, 05:09 AM

Originally posted by mihaita666

hey, i think you're underestimating romanian teams like .... a lot. Twente is not at all better than Steaua. And CFR Cluj has plenty of chances to qualify.

Romanian teams are ones to watch for, there good at home and generlly bring a strong defence to away games, thwy wont be easy. Also i cant see Celtic winning the Europa, they lack quality in all areas of the pitch and did not find a replacment for Nakamura this transfer window.

**mihaita666** · 09-16-09, 05:37 AM

rangers playing the Uefa Cup Final two years ago was an accident which i dont think will happen again pretty much soon. Therefore, like turkzz says, neighter i see Celtic winning a european trophy

LE : watch one of steaua's best players latest performance, from sunday evening

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QCHkiGh6dxk

**TurkzZ** · 09-16-09, 07:48 AM

Unirea Urziceni, Can they hold out agaist a Sevilla Attack? for an under 2.5 maby?

**mihaita666** · 09-16-09, 11:17 AM

i made such a bet, so u may try it yourself but if you dont trust me, then make a test bet 9smaller stake)

**Karayilan9** · 09-16-09, 12:14 PM

Mihaita, the few Romanian teams I follow have strong defenses, how about Unirea? do they play similar stye to Cluj? Spanish teams have trouble breaking down teams who play this style but I haven't seen this Unirea team play, how do you rate them?

**mihaita666** · 09-16-09, 01:11 PM

sorry, i wasn't home....unirea had the best defense last year in our champ....and after they lost to cluj in the 1st round, their play grew match match.. so yes they have good defense and they have a great squad (i want to make it clear....unirea urziceni winning the title WAS NOT an accident; they had an overall better play than dinamo and timisoara) they didnt sell any player, but transfered few great ones.

**tbill11** · 09-16-09, 01:24 PM

I think this is my final list:

Villarreal
Valencia
Werder Bremen
Galatsaray

Throw a unit on each and should turn a nice profit if all goes well. Thoughts?

**Karayilan9** · 09-16-09, 01:31 PM

Originally posted by tbill11

I think this is my final list:

Villarreal
Valencia
Werder Bremen
Galatsaray

Throw a unit on each and should turn a nice profit if all goes well. Thoughts?

I like it except Werder Bremen, they arn't as strong this year and lack depth.

**tbill11** · 09-16-09, 02:39 PM

Any teams you'd add instead?

**mihaita666** · 09-16-09, 04:14 PM

Karayilan9 is right, try HSV instead

**tbill11** · 09-16-09, 09:56 PM

Final Plays:
Valencia
Villarreal
Hamburger
Galatasaray

All is well except I accidently placed 1 unit on Hamburger twice

Looks like I'll be rooting for Germans this year.

**mihaita666** · 09-17-09, 02:41 AM

u might have just made a fortunate error. HSV is really good, i've seen them in bundesliga

**Karayilan9** · 09-17-09, 08:28 PM

Galatasaray odds to win the competition have already dropped, if anybody has been watching them play they will understand why. I expect the odds to have dropped quite alot by the next stage of the competition.

**Dashwood Clipper** · 09-17-09, 08:49 PM

Originally posted by Karayilan9

Galatasaray odds to win the competition have already dropped, if anybody has been watching them play they will understand why. I expect the odds to have dropped quite alot by the next stage of the competition.

Cashing a +2900 ticket would be nice. If Galatasaray make it deep into this competition, you have numerous hedging opportunities and will show a profit no matter what. Very sharp investment

**TurkzZ** · 09-17-09, 09:00 PM

if i invested heavy i could of even hedged now for a profit lol, but im sure there go far, and the odds will drop to around +700 to +500 ,