Easy streetsports complain

[HedgeHog]

I actually don't mind hearing about your case if it's new and factual. Not the standard "EZ Street steals from everyone" repeated a dozen times daily. I am more interested in the status of your lawsuit. Any updates?

[cory1111]

My attorney at this present time
Rather not have me talk about it publicly. Thats all you need to know. And all I wrote was ez stole 46 k and doesnt pay, which is the truth.

[stevenash]

Explain?

ORDER re: 18 Minute Order. This case is dismissed without prejudice for failure to prosecute and noncompliance with a court order, by Judge R. Brooke Jackson on 12/6/11

Sounds like the prosecution didn't comply to a court order.

[cory1111]

its being taken care of thats all you need to know at this time. Regardless, Ezstreet still owes me 46k.

[cory1111]

Secretstash, here i just one of the reports right before I played at Ezstreet. Is Heritage a low rated book? So I was not only playing a average books.
Games Played Report
Casino Name: From: To: Player: 79655
NAME
CASINO : AGENT :
PLAYER CODE :
79655
79655 79655 PLAYER SUB TOTAL:
AGENT SUB TOTAL:
CASINO SUB TOTAL:
GRAND TOTAL:
VP Jacks or Better Gold Fever Slots (3 Reels, 3 Paylines)
All Casinos 1/1/2010 12:00:00AM 3/27/2010 11:59:59PM
GAME
Heritage Sports Casino XBSU
# GAMES
23,014 2 23,016
23,016
23,016
23,016
AMT RISK
535,732.25 1.50 535,733.75
535,733.75
535,733.75
535,733.75
AVG BET
23.28 0.75 24.03
24.03
24.03
24.03
PROFIT/LOST
-2,397.25 -1.00 -2,398.25
-2,398.25
-2,398.25
-2,398.25
P/L %
-0.45% -66.67% -0.45%
-0.45%
-0.45%
-0.45%

[relaaxx]

It's not so much about being on EZ's side as it is revealing another side. Many of us have had pleasant experiences with EZ; I know I did. Why shouldn't we be able to post about it w/o being called shills or liars?

hedge. hope you are doing well. i do see that of course not all who side with ez are shills. and i also see that if i play at ez i will get paid, like everyone else, with an exception. but to me all that matters is that they stole from someone so i will never play there. and it's obvious that they did, then lied about how it happened, then tried to cover it up with some help from another forum. it would have worked, except that justin ruined the plan. so if you or anyone else wants to side with easystreet, that's of course fine. but i just don't see the reasoning of i get paid , so their a good book, while knowing they stole 46k from someone. now if you think easystreet is not at fault and cory tried to steal from them, then that's a whole different story. but either way you have the right to say it. for me it's just one way of reasoning i get, one i don't.

[PLA]

Ez pays everyone but Cory, end of story. Hope everyone learned the lesson not to leave too much money at a small book

[TheMoneyShot]

Where's the dude that always said.. "EZ STREET FARTS ON CAKES?" Where's that imbecile at?

[The Kraken]

To you know what Occam's Razor stands for? The most obvious explanation is correct. So which is more likely: a book couldn't pay a player that got lucky, or a degenerate gambler spent 1000's of dollars building a bot that played a -EV game so he could lose more?

Oh wait. There is the conspiracy theory from TheRx. Does your obvious explanation include Cory "overwhelming the random number generator"?



Do you understand the difference between a fact and an allegation? Ez Street *claimed* that Cory had scammed a gazillion books. I could not confirm any scams, and no other book provided evidence. EZ Street *claimed* that Cory played perfectly. I think his longest stretch was 2.5 hours or so, not 5. But forget that. Did he play perfectly? Look at the hand history. Oh wait! EZ had that, and won't show the actual play of the hands. Occam's Razor: why would EZ refuse to give the actual hand play?



And your explanation suggests you are either mentally challenged, or an EZ Street employee. But we can resolve this: will you fly to Costa Rica and take an IQ test and a lie detector test?




If you are going to steal 46k claiming fraud, you better damn well prove your position. On fraud claims, it isn't just "preponderance of the evidence" -- the standard is much higher. And EZ didn't even have convincing circumstantial evidence.



SBR's motive is simple: make sure players are treated fairly. I handled every aspect of this dispute. In this, and others, there has never been a discussion of paying SBR for a more favorable result (although quite a few players have offered to pay me, which I have always refused).

I actually bet on Bradly. But that doesn't change my objectivity, as I was clearly a beneficiary of a screw-job.
Ticket Details : # 45317555-1
Wager Type : Money Line
Wager Status : WinRisk / To Win Amount : 500.00 / 1,790.00(USD)
Accepted : 6/5/2012 5:37AM - PST

Won : 1,790.00
Amount Paid : 2290.00

Nobody with half a brain trusts you or anyone working with SBR to arbitrate.

How many hats can one clown wear anyways, Arbitrator/Judge/Affiliate

[secretstash]

Where's the dude that always said.. "EZ STREET FARTS ON CAKES?" Where's that imbecile at?

oh god not that skelter weirdo.. he is not needed ever for anything.

-stash

[KEdge2k]

Without prejudice means he can re-file so long as the SOL hasn't been blown. Where is the case docketed, would love to see the initial Complaint. Do you have the case number?

[cory1111]

So Kraken, if you dont trust anyone working at SBR, enlighten us, what forum do you trust to arbitrate?

[sharpcat]

So Kraken, if you dont trust anyone working at SBR, enlighten us, what forum do you trust to arbitrate?

Anyone who has been around long enough to have filed complaints against SBR affiliate books only to see their complaint go unmentioned by moderators at SBR while watching thread after thread of "SBR REPORTS" pop up involving non affiliate books understands that SBR has moved away from its original business model of being a review site.

The same time that you had your case against EZ, 5dimes stiffed two players in the casino and SBR swept it under the rug while they encouraged posters to bump your EZ thread.

The same time when SBR is reporting slow wires at Sportsbetting.ag on a daily basis players, including myself, are complaining about the same issue at Betonline and Bovada without a peep from SBR about the issues at their affilate sites.

If EZ was an SBR affiliate when your case went down I can assure you that you would never have been given your podium.

I am sure Justin7 also enjoyed standing on your podium while he was promoting the sale of his book.

[Justin7]

Anyone who has been around long enough to have filed complaints against SBR affiliate books only to see their complaint go unmentioned by moderators at SBR while watching thread after thread of "SBR REPORTS" pop up involving non affiliate books understands that SBR has moved away from its original business model of being a review site.

The same time that you had your case against EZ, 5dimes stiffed two players in the casino and SBR swept it under the rug while they encouraged posters to bump your EZ thread...
Justin7 also enjoyed standing on your podium while he was promoting the sale of his book.

Sharpcat,

Do you think I am biased when it comes to sportsbooks? How many times have I spoken out against top-rated books? (Short answer: several times, whenever necessary).

Re: the 5dimes dispute. Did you read my analysis on that dispute? It was not swept under the rug. While it was a bad situation (anytime a book doesn't pay a player 100% of his winnings, you have a potential bad situation), the decision was rational under US Contract law (which SBR and I use to analyze all disputes).

Did I excessively pimp my book on the podium? I really don't remember. The book was a lark. It worked out very well, but not so much due to sales. I seem to remember selling 8 books that weekend, but maybe someone knows better.

[sharpcat]

Sharpcat,

Do you think I am biased when it comes to sportsbooks? How many times have I spoken out against top-rated books? (Short answer: several times, whenever necessary).

Re: the 5dimes dispute. Did you read my analysis on that dispute? It was not swept under the rug. While it was a bad situation (anytime a book doesn't pay a player 100% of his winnings, you have a potential bad situation), the decision was rational under US Contract law (which SBR and I use to analyze all disputes).

Did I excessively pimp my book on the podium? I really don't remember. The book was a lark. It worked out very well, but not so much due to sales. I seem to remember selling 8 books that weekend, but maybe someone knows better.

I am not sure anymore if you are biased or not as you have never handled any dispute that I have raised against an affiliated book nor have I seen you publicly handle any case against an affilate book.

I think that the infractions that you and other SBR mods handed out while allowing Cory1111 to spam the sportsbook & industry thread was ridiculous and extremely biased along with being extremely agenda driven. I am sure SBR garnered plenty of traffic from the whole issue and managed to destroy the reputation of their competition.

I personally would regain my faith in SBR if I were to see an "SBR REPORT" from Shari91, Blondie, or LOU for 1 time warning players that Bovada and Betonline are taking 20+ business days to pay players.

[cory1111]

Sharpcat, I said from day one my main goal was to warn new players of what EZstreet did to me, and there is no other way of doing that than posting on the forums. I received numerous infractions by Justin7, Shari91,etc.., just to show you it wasnt one way. The Rx never even heard out my case without prejudice and never even let me post since the first time my case was brought up. Should I not let new posters, in not only this forum but in other ones, to show how Ezstreet stole from me? The truth is, if my case wasnt handle with bias by the Rx we wouldnt be having these conversation,100% guaranteed. Thats why Ezstreet would only listen to RX and not any other forums, because EZ knew the RX would stand by their affiliate.

[sharpcat]

Sharpcat, I said from day one my main goal was to warn new players of what EZstreet did to me, and there is no other way of doing that than posting on the forums. I received numerous infractions by Justin7, Shari91,etc.., just to show you it wasnt one way. The Rx never even heard out my case without prejudice and never even let me post since the first time my case was brought up. Should I not let new posters, in not only this forum but in other ones, to show how Ezstreet stole from me? The truth is, if my case wasnt handle with bias by the Rx we wouldnt be having these conversation,100% guaranteed. Thats why Ezstreet would only listen to RX and not any other forums, because EZ knew the RX would stand by their affiliate.

This is not completely true SBR did not exactly hear your case without prejudice either.

Justin7 not only made his ruling in the case within days of receiving it but also long before he had a chance to review the hand logs, but he did not waste anytime before he went public and ran to the forums with his verdict. I really can not blame EZ for choosing to let the RX handle the dispute because Justin7 was obviously not unbiased either. I have never seen SBR draw to a conclusion in a case so quickly and report it to the forum.

Posting the same post every 10 minutes over and over was definately not the right way to go about it, that was Cory's way to be vindictive and get his revenge while those of us who actually use SBR were stuck with the inability to enjoy SBR and keep up to date with sportsbooks & the industry because you were cluttering the board with your spam.

Aside from your first 2 posts about your dispute with Northbet, have you ever posted anything at this forum that did not relate to you and EZ? 1,761 posts all about Cory? Not a single contribution to SBR other than your own personal agenda?

[Justin7]

This is not completely true SBR did not exactly hear your case without prejudice either.

Justin7 not only made his ruling in the case within days of receiving it but also long before he had a chance to review the hand logs, but he did not waste anytime before he went public and ran to the forums with his verdict. I really can not blame EZ for choosing to let the RX handle the dispute because Justin7 was obviously not unbiased either. I have never seen SBR draw to a conclusion in a case so quickly and report it to the forum.

Posting the same post every 10 minutes over and over was definately not the right way to go about it, that was Cory's way to be vindictive and get his revenge while those of us who actually use SBR were stuck with the inability to enjoy SBR and keep up to date with sportsbooks & the industry because you were cluttering the board with your spam.

Aside from your first 2 posts about your dispute with Northbet, have you ever posted anything at this forum that did not relate to you and EZ? 1,761 posts all about Cory? Not a single contribution to SBR other than your own personal agenda?

Do you remember why I made the initial ruling? EZ didn't have a rule against bots! If you are going to use a weird-ass rule, you better write it correctly. Even if Cory were running a bot, it would not fall under the category of "A.I.".

[sharpcat]

Do you remember why I made the initial ruling? EZ didn't have a rule against bots! If you are going to use a weird-ass rule, you better write it correctly. Even if Cory were running a bot, it would not fall under the category of "A.I.".

That is a stretch. I think it was very understandable what they meant by that rule but you as the judge, jury, and executioner quickly made your decision based on your interpretation of what is classified as "A.I.". Many could argue that a VP bot would be a form of "artificial intelligence". Sure the bot is only doing what you told it to do but technically if the script has loop statements than the program is making the decision of what cards to play.

If a forman of a factory leaves an apprentice on the job with set of simple tasks to accomplish that apprentice is still using intelligence despite the fact that he is only doing what he was instructed to do.

[Justin7]

That is a stretch. I think it was very understandable what they meant by that rule but you as the judge, jury, and executioner quickly made your decision based on your interpretation of what is classified as "A.I.". Many could argue that a VP bot would be a form of "artificial intelligence". Sure the bot is only doing what you told it to do but technically if the script has loop statements than the program is making the decision of what cards to play.

If a forman of a factory leaves an apprentice on the job with set of simple tasks to accomplish that apprentice is still using intelligence despite the fact that he is only doing what he was instructed to do.

Under contract law, you read a contract against whomever wrote it. EZ wrote it. They said AI, they meant AI. AI is a term of art, and requires the ability to learn and change behavior. A bot does not learn. It is not an AI. If they didn't mean AI, they should have said something differently.

That said, why should they even care? A player runs a bot against a -EV game, he just loses faster. Their position was ridiculous on so many levels, a court would sanction their attorneys for even putting on the arguments they did, never mind their "expert opinion" published at TheRx.

[sharpcat]

Under contract law, you read a contract against whomever wrote it. EZ wrote it. They said AI, they meant AI. AI is a term of art, and requires the ability to learn and change behavior. A bot does not learn. It is not an AI. If they didn't mean AI, they should have said something differently.

That said, why should they even care? A player runs a bot against a -EV game, he just loses faster. Their position was ridiculous on so many levels, a court would sanction their attorneys for even putting on the arguments they did, never mind their "expert opinion" published at TheRx.

You know as well as I do that the bonus he was receiving made the game +EV, even if he played past his rollover 98% of the hands he played were +EV.

All I am saying is that SBR has not proven themselves to be non biased over the last year or two when it comes to affiliated and non-affiliated books. This compromises the credibility of SBR greatly. As far as you I have respect for you as a player and would like to think that you would give an honest decision but something smelled funny with this case from the jump. Whether or not you made the correct determination I feel like it was unprofessional of you to jump the gun and make a ruling so quickly with such limited information with such a big case involved.

As stated previously it was extremely unprofessional of SBR to allow Cory1111 to spam the board for 4 months and I feel that showed an agenda on the part of SBR whether it was to make an example of books who do not bow to SBR or to destroy the reputation of their rival I do not know, but there was a clear agenda.

Cory is not even a true member of this community he has never made one post about anything other than himself.

[cory1111]

Sharpcat ,is that what this is about, you want to be my forum best friend? You sound like that guy Alan from the movie, The Hangover, "true member of this community". For the record, Justin didnt make a quick ruling like you said, so please get your facts straight. The only forum that took EZ's side was the RX(for business reasons). And if EZstreet didnt have anything to hide ,why didnt they show everyone my casino logs(still to this day havent answered that)? There was never one device used while I was playing, EZstreet had to open the casino everytime I hit a royal flush( in every DGS casino casino shuts down after a royal flush is hit).

[Justin7]

You know as well as I do that the bonus he was receiving made the game +EV, even if he played past his rollover 98% of the hands he played were +EV.

Did you see how much past his rollover he went?

Why don't you show me the EV calculations for his play, assuming perfect play.

[sharpcat]

Did you see how much past his rollover he went?

Why don't you show me the EV calculations for his play, assuming perfect play.

Are you really going to imply that the bonus he was receiving was not +EV?

If I remember correctly he was playing on a 9/6 Jacks or better machine with a 100% bonus with a low rollover. Not my bonus to hustle but with perfect play a 99.56% return on the machine he was most definately profiting from the bonus. Whether or not he continued to play with house money after hustling the bonus is purely up to him how he wants to spend that money.

[Justin7]

Are you really going to imply that the bonus he was receiving was not +EV?

If I remember correctly he was playing on a 9/6 Jacks or better machine with a 100% bonus with a low rollover. Not my bonus to hustle but with perfect play a 99.56% return on the machine he was most definately profiting from the bonus. Whether or not he continued to play with house money after hustling the bonus is purely up to him how he wants to spend that money.

Show me the work. Look at the rollover he put in.

[sharpcat]

Show me the work. Look at the rollover he put in.

It is elementary level math for every hundred dollars he has to put through the machine he can expect to lose 44 cents. what was the rollover on his 300 for 300 deposits?

I have no interest on digging through the clusterfuk of threads and posts that SBR let spam the forum for 6 months. I clearly remember me and many others verifying that the bonus was +EV.

Your the attention whore Justin7 make a video about it and tell everybody how awesome you are.

[The Kraken]

So Kraken, if you dont trust anyone working at SBR, enlighten us, what forum do you trust to arbitrate?

Cory, the answer is none of them. It's easy. These forums are affiliates, sign up new posters, get them to gamble with their sponsors (who pay to advertise) and then the forum get's a cut of the players loss. That's how affiliates work and I know you know this part. It's very elementary and obvious. So are the advertisements. And all of that is fine. John's created this product and he has honestly done a good job with this site.

The problem comes back to the purpose of this forum, the rating of sportsbooks. And this is where the undeniable conflict of interests enters, when this forum/site arbitrates against books. It becomes easy to assume the site would arbitrate in favor of books that advertise and likely give them higher ratings as well, hence getting more new players to sign up there. Books that do not advertise get shittier ratings and poor arbitration. It's a good ol' boys club, you scratch my back and I'll get yours.

And it's because of this rather large and obvious conflict of interest that SBR should not be arbitrating these cases. Even if J7's motives are pure there is still a conflict of interest. The problem with all of this is that nobody is in a position to investigate the motives of SBR, therefore how can anyone trust the report? And it is not unreasonable for one to believe that the outcome has been influced by imporper consierations such as financial gain.

As Sharpcat said, Judge, jury and executioner.

[cory1111]

Kraken if Ezstreet would of just showed the full casino logs there wouldnt be a need for an arbitrator. The public would of clearly seen for themselves the truth and nothing but the truth. I was never afraid of revealing what happened when I played video poker, it was EZ's doing. So your going to fault SBR/Justin for standing up for whats right? Oh Sharpcat aka my other best friend besides Hedgehog on these forums, my Miami Heat will win tonight. Did contribute enough today for you?

[secretstash]

justin I dont remember the specifics either.. but i think cory was getting 100% cash match casino bonuses.. so im sure the play through was high but i do think if played at optimal strategy it could be beaten +EV.. i dunno what the rollover was but im sure it was beatable hence why wvu and a few others were encouraging it as a good bonus to try and beat.

cory obviously liked the bonus or the chance at hitting royals/winning because he kept depositing and depositing..

should ez have taken his deposits if they knew he had committed fraud in past (not saying he did, speaking from their point of view). and the answer is NO.. that is the one mistake I do agree that they made ..

BUT.. I do believe some books dont dive into players background/personal data/etc until a payout is requested.. even at A+ books like 5dimes or others u arent forced to prove who u are and send in everything including ur life story on paper and cc info copies.. etc including photos UNTIL u request a payout.. so if I was a scammer and player thing.. they wouldnt even know until I went to request that first payout and my proof of info came back as such.

is cory a scammer, I have no idea.. no proof.. so that argument is irrelevant to me.. but if ez thought he was, i guess beyond the robot factor (also speculation) they dont have to pay them if they think he is on a blacklist.. I actually agree with that part.. BUT we will never see the real hard evidence as its private info.

we will never know all the facts or the evidence for either side. its basically a he said she said type thing.



-stash

[The Kraken]

At this point, I've moved on past the Cory v. EZst. because nothing new is coming of it. The other thread was just page after page of three people arguing the same points, over and over and over and this one is becoming a mirror image.

I'm questioning SBR and Justin for their involvement in arbitration. They should not be arbitrating. If they want to be affiliates and rake in money for advertising that is fine. But arbitrators should be completely impartial to both sides to maintain fairness. In fact, above all else, an arbitrator should be impartial to both sides and free of any conflict of interests.

Now, how can SBR be impartial when they advocate for the player and how can they be free of conflict of interests when there is the potential for financial gain by the nature of their business? The answer is they can't. And therein lies the major problem with what this site has become and the roles they've assumed.

[relaaxx]

take shots at all books------ you would do well working for the republican pac committee. using outragously obvious exaggerations and lies, as well known common knowledge and facts.

[Justin7]

At this point, I've moved on past the Cory v. EZst. because nothing new is coming of it. The other thread was just page after page of three people arguing the same points, over and over and over and this one is becoming a mirror image.

I'm questioning SBR and Justin for their involvement in arbitration. They should not be arbitrating. If they want to be affiliates and rake in money for advertising that is fine. But arbitrators should be completely impartial to both sides to maintain fairness. In fact, above all else, an arbitrator should be impartial to both sides and free of any conflict of interests.

Now, how can SBR be impartial when they advocate for the player and how can they be free of conflict of interests when there is the potential for financial gain by the nature of their business? The answer is they can't. And therein lies the major problem with what this site has become and the roles they've assumed.

I have nothing to do with the business side of SBR. My decisions are based on US and English contract law. If you believe there was bias, what was the result of that bias? What law did I ignore or disregard due to bias?

[skrtelfan]

J7, Most of us that believe cory scammed the book do so on the premise of common sense, or occams razor. Two pretty important facts here are that Cory1111 has a history of scamming

Assumes facts not in evidence. No evidence he had a history of scamming other than the word of Wilhelm, and Wilhelm was caught telling so many lies about EZ Street his word is not believable.

and that Cory1111 played an average of 18 hands/minute of 5 card poker for 5 hours AND played perfect strategy for those 5 hours at that pace, unreal.

Also assumes facts not in evidence. EZ never released the logs so no way to tell if he used perfect strategy. Given the incompetence of EZ in their other analysis of his play and the RX's so called expert, who they obviously invented themselves, I severely doubt whether EZ could even tell if he used perfect strategy or not.

18 hands/hour isn't all that fast, and the most telling part is that his time between hands varied from anywhere between 2 and 6 seconds.

In addition and of less importance, he refused to go to CR and attempt to replicate his performance for his $46k, why is that?

Probably because he knew even if he went to CR he wouldn't get paid. It would have been very simple for EZ to rig it so that he couldn't play that quickly. Casino software can easily be programed for varying dealing times, so all they'd have to do is rig it so that it dealt cards slower to prevent him from playing that fast. Or once he made a lone error, they could say "oops, no perfect strategy, no money for you" even though they never proved he played 100% perfect strategy in the first place.

[cory1111]

Now this sounds like fair arbitration.YEAH RIGHT...

Cory, one last thing today - you are not banned at The Rx.com but your posts at least at first will go thru a moderator for approval but we will not alter them only ask you to edit something if it is inappropriate. If you accept the offer you will not be monitored at all. Let me know if you by any chance forgot your password or need any help logging into The Rx.com. Easystret made this request of us in order to allow you to post at The rx especially about the trip should you decide to take it..

Thank you, wilheim

Wilheim
Head Moderator
The Rx.com Posting Forum

[dolson]

Justin7 moderated my complaint against EZstreet and they sent me the money they owed me, it wasn't much , but Justin7 got things done!