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  • dredmahawkus
    SBR MVP
    • 12-26-09
    • 1803

    #36
    it gives you the best odds.....but if you really look at it, its designed to have you be up on 3 or 4 numbers and by the time you are up on 3 or 4 numbers you know whats coming.....7 away! obviously you can get lucky and go on a run.....but it does not happen often. I dealt craps 40 hours a week for 7 years.....the table pretty much never lost money.....a 40 minute roll would only happen like once a week....if that.

    once when I was dealing a stripper betting $5 a roll threw the dice for like 5 hours.....and it just happend that a ton of big betters were on the table.....well not big but like regulars betting 30 flat with 100 odds on 3 numbers. well by the time the roll ended they all had table max 10k a number. after like 2 hours the last 3 hours took like a half hour per roll. they had to fill the pumpkins every roll.....now I have only seen this once in 7 years.
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    • bobbyfk
      SBR Posting Legend
      • 01-19-09
      • 15218

      #37
      Originally posted by Extra Innings
      The subject in that video was on "Breaking Vegas". Banned from most casinos due to dice control, wish I was joking.
      Originally posted by senseionline
      one of my best friend is good crap player i never get into it but he telling me crap is beatable if u can control dice he even bought a real crap table to practice at home man is winning on crap lifetime
      Originally posted by milwaukee mike

      so you believe there's no way of throwing dice that would result in, for example, the number 7 coming up one extra time per million?

      nobody can hit any number they want, but there are proven ways of setting dice that make certain subsets of numbers come up a little more often.

      why would they ban dice setters (golden touch, etc) from casinos if there was no way of affecting the roll in their favor?
      Originally posted by Killer_Demo
      i've beaten the casinos last 2 trips for over 3k....dice control can be done as long as you set the dice right before you throw and that you throw at a 1-axis only
      Originally posted by milwaukee mike

      and the best dice throwers have thousands of hours of practice.
      and they need to throw perfectly less than 90% of the time to beat the house edge, all you need to do is gain a 5% advantage.

      i think it's crazy to NOT believe that a skilled thrower can influence the roll to an extent that gives them a 5% advantage so we agree to disagree.
      Five posts of 30 with open minds. Mike I believe if you right just 1 or 2 times out of 100 rolls manipulating the dice you will have a edge over the casinos if you make the right bets.MR BIG
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      • Sam Odom
        SBR Aristocracy
        • 10-30-05
        • 58063

        #38
        Originally posted by bobbyfk

        Five posts of 30 with open minds.

        Open minds? How about open wallets w/money for the taken
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        • Ernie Mccracken
          SBR MVP
          • 09-11-11
          • 1986

          #39
          Originally posted by Killer_Demo
          i play craps on a regular basis and always make $$$.
          No, no you don't.
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          • ThaWoj
            SBR Hall of Famer
            • 03-09-10
            • 6764

            #40
            Dice setting and precision shooting. This IS NOT A SYSTEM, It is a skill and we can teach you. We also have a Basic Craps class. Located in Las Vegas. Classes 5 days a week!


            got all kinds of training videos and tips and shows what grips and what combinations to start with.

            interesting stuff
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            • griz
              SBR MVP
              • 01-27-11
              • 3647

              #41
              I pissed everyone off when throwing dice. Was in a casino in the Bahamas. Crystal palace casino. Threw the first set not long enough. Threw the second set off the table. Everyone called me a pussy and told me to go hit the slot machines. Never played again.
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              • MonkeyF0cker
                SBR Posting Legend
                • 06-12-07
                • 12144

                #42
                Originally posted by Killer_Demo
                i play craps on a regular basis and always make $$$...i use SBR for sports betting toughguy
                I'll give you 2:1 odds for any amount you can put up front that you cannot win 10 sessions in a row.

                Sessions consist of at least 1 bet per come out/point with a minimum of 50 points played.
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                • MonkeyF0cker
                  SBR Posting Legend
                  • 06-12-07
                  • 12144

                  #43
                  Originally posted by milwaukee mike
                  so you believe there's no way of throwing dice that would result in, for example, the number 7 coming up one extra time per million?

                  nobody can hit any number they want, but there are proven ways of setting dice that make certain subsets of numbers come up a little more often.

                  why would they ban dice setters (golden touch, etc) from casinos if there was no way of affecting the roll in their favor?
                  And how exactly does a dice setter deal with the honeycomb back wall (that must be hit otherwise it's ruled a short/no roll) which sprays the dice in arbitrary angles/directions?
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                  • Killer_Demo
                    SBR Hall of Famer
                    • 06-15-08
                    • 8409

                    #44
                    Originally posted by Ernie Mccracken
                    No, no you don't.
                    post some winners then come holla at me small-timer
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                    • Killer_Demo
                      SBR Hall of Famer
                      • 06-15-08
                      • 8409

                      #45
                      Originally posted by MonkeyF0cker
                      I'll give you 2:1 odds for any amount you can put up front that you cannot win 10 sessions in a row.

                      Sessions consist of at least 1 bet per come out/point with a minimum of 50 points played.
                      only suckers play come...i play pass line with max odds...
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                      • MonkeyF0cker
                        SBR Posting Legend
                        • 06-12-07
                        • 12144

                        #46
                        Originally posted by Killer_Demo
                        only suckers play come...i play pass line with max odds...
                        Uhh. Come out != come.

                        So you wanna make the wager then?

                        I'm in Vegas. I'm certain that a "big timer" like you frequents this place regularly. Let me know when you're in town and you have a bet of up to $100k.
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                        • Killer_Demo
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                          • 06-15-08
                          • 8409

                          #47
                          Originally posted by MonkeyF0cker
                          Uhh. Come out != come.

                          So you wanna make the wager then?

                          I'm in Vegas. I'm certain that a "big timer" like you frequents this place regularly. Let me know when you're in town and you have a bet of up to $100k.
                          you prob think a firebet is a good bet too huh? mathnerds have no place in gambling
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                          • MonkeyF0cker
                            SBR Posting Legend
                            • 06-12-07
                            • 12144

                            #48
                            You can certainly prove me wrong and win my ignorant money in the process.

                            The choice is yours.
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                            • Big Bear
                              SBR Aristocracy
                              • 11-01-11
                              • 43253

                              #49
                              no you can't control the dice. You are gambling. Enjoy it and hopefully you get lucky.
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                              • Killer_Demo
                                SBR Hall of Famer
                                • 06-15-08
                                • 8409

                                #50
                                Originally posted by MonkeyF0cker
                                You can certainly prove me wrong and win my ignorant money in the process.

                                The choice is yours.
                                how many times has a casino backed off your action??? if your in the know like ya say you are you would know if you make a good sum of $$$ in a short-time the casino will not allow further bets
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                                • MonkeyF0cker
                                  SBR Posting Legend
                                  • 06-12-07
                                  • 12144

                                  #51
                                  Never. I'm just a math square.

                                  Prove me wrong. You could win up to $200k (and I promise I won't back you off of action).

                                  Easy money.
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                                  • Killer_Demo
                                    SBR Hall of Famer
                                    • 06-15-08
                                    • 8409

                                    #52
                                    Originally posted by MonkeyF0cker
                                    Never. I'm just a math square.

                                    Prove me wrong. You could win up to $200k (and I promise I won't back you off of action).

                                    Easy money.
                                    well if SBR has another bash in LV ill be there... e-thug
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                                    • MonkeyF0cker
                                      SBR Posting Legend
                                      • 06-12-07
                                      • 12144

                                      #53
                                      Looking forward to it.

                                      Although, I'm a bit surprised that a California "big timer" doesn't make his way to Vegas more often than just for SBR bashes...
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                                      • LVHerbie
                                        SBR Hall of Famer
                                        • 09-15-05
                                        • 6344

                                        #54
                                        Originally posted by bobbyfk
                                        Personally I love the 3V set and hate the hard way set for avoiding the seven. Its a great set for making inside numbers which are the 5 6 8 and 9. I recommend betting on the pass line, taking full odds and placing the 6 and 8 while using the 3V set. Avoid most bets at the craps the house edge is to great especially all bets in the middle of the layout. Come bets may also work using the 3V set. Also get rated. You may now have a slight edge.


                                        MR BIG
                                        Originally posted by bobbyfk
                                        Five posts of 30 with open minds. Mike I believe if you right just 1 or 2 times out of 100 rolls manipulating the dice you will have a edge over the casinos if you make the right bets.MR BIG
                                        Did someone hijack Bobby's account? He did make a video posting passwords.......
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                                        • Killer_Demo
                                          SBR Hall of Famer
                                          • 06-15-08
                                          • 8409

                                          #55
                                          Originally posted by MonkeyF0cker
                                          Looking forward to it.

                                          Although, I'm a bit surprised that a California "big timer" doesn't make his way to Vegas more often than just for SBR bashes...
                                          yup i live in cali...sad you cant afford it??? i'd hate life too if i had to live by the strat in the hood...see ya at the bash!
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                                          • MonkeyF0cker
                                            SBR Posting Legend
                                            • 06-12-07
                                            • 12144

                                            #56
                                            Originally posted by LVHerbie
                                            Did someone hijack Bobby's account? He did make a video posting his password.......
                                            Mr. Big = Bobby's dad (I think?)
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                                            • MonkeyF0cker
                                              SBR Posting Legend
                                              • 06-12-07
                                              • 12144

                                              #57
                                              Originally posted by Killer_Demo
                                              yup i live in cali...sad you cant afford it??? i'd hate life too if i had to live by the strat in the hood...see ya at the bash!
                                              Nope. Can't afford to live there. I can see the appeal of San Fran for a guy like you though. *wink*

                                              See you soon, buttercup!
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                                              • Killer_Demo
                                                SBR Hall of Famer
                                                • 06-15-08
                                                • 8409

                                                #58
                                                Originally posted by MonkeyF0cker
                                                Nope. Can't afford to live there. I can see the appeal of San Fran for a guy like you though. *wink*

                                                See you soon, buttercup!
                                                yup i do love them fine asian women in SF...best city in the world!
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                                                • LVHerbie
                                                  SBR Hall of Famer
                                                  • 09-15-05
                                                  • 6344

                                                  #59
                                                  Stanford Wong wrote a book on the subject but in a interview he gave on Bob Dancer's radio show recently he seemed to back off his previous view quite a bit basically saying that it would require both a strong gift towards doing it and lots of practice ("like a professional golfer consistently hitting a ball long and straight on a fairway")...

                                                  Wizard of odds page on dice control...

                                                  Personally I'm on very skeptical leaning towards a non-believer... i.e. I would happily take a few percentages of Monkeyfocker's action if someone actually takes him up on it...
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                                                  • Extra Innings
                                                    SBR Posting Legend
                                                    • 02-26-10
                                                    • 15058

                                                    #60
                                                    Originally posted by griz
                                                    I pissed everyone off when throwing dice. Was in a casino in the Bahamas. Crystal palace casino. Threw the first set not long enough. Threw the second set off the table. Everyone called me a pussy and told me to go hit the slot machines. Never played again.
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                                                    • Extra Innings
                                                      SBR Posting Legend
                                                      • 02-26-10
                                                      • 15058

                                                      #61
                                                      I guess the History Channel is just making shit up....it's all right here boys

                                                      Learn casino craps and dice control in seminars taught by Golden Touch Craps Intl. instructors from coast-to-coast. Get the winning edge on craps.
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                                                      • MonkeyF0cker
                                                        SBR Posting Legend
                                                        • 06-12-07
                                                        • 12144

                                                        #62
                                                        Originally posted by Extra Innings
                                                        I guess the History Channel is just making shit up....it's all right here boys

                                                        http://www.goldentouchcraps.com/HistoryChannel.shtml
                                                        How to profit at dice control:

                                                        1. Write a book on how to theoretically throw controlled dice.
                                                        2. Tell stories about how much you raped the casinos and get on a History Channel documentary because of it.
                                                        3. Keep your day job.
                                                        4. Sell overpriced books and training sessions off of your newfound fame.

                                                        Pretty funny read from Harper's Bizarre. One of their reporters took the Golden Touch class and wrote about it.

                                                        Tell me it doesn't sound like an absolute scam and I've got land under a bridge to sell you...

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                                                        • Extra Innings
                                                          SBR Posting Legend
                                                          • 02-26-10
                                                          • 15058

                                                          #63
                                                          Originally posted by MonkeyF0cker

                                                          How to profit at dice control:

                                                          1. Write a book on how to theoretically throw controlled dice.
                                                          2. Tell stories about how much you raped the casinos and get on a History Channel documentary because of it.
                                                          3. Keep your day job.
                                                          4. Sell overpriced books and training sessions off of your newfound fame.

                                                          Pretty funny read from Harper's Bizarre. One of their reporters took the Golden Touch class and wrote about it.

                                                          Tell me it doesn't sound like an absolute scam and I've got land under a bridge to sell you...

                                                          http://www.mattathiasschwartz.com/the-golden-touch/
                                                          Good article. Stop bringing facts and common sense to these arguments
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                                                          • LVHerbie
                                                            SBR Hall of Famer
                                                            • 09-15-05
                                                            • 6344

                                                            #64
                                                            Originally posted by MonkeyF0cker
                                                            How to profit at dice control:

                                                            1. Write a book on how to theoretically throw controlled dice.
                                                            2. Tell stories about how much you raped the casinos and get on a History Channel documentary because of it.
                                                            3. Keep your day job.
                                                            4. Sell overpriced books and training sessions off of your newfound fame.

                                                            Pretty funny read from Harper's Bizarre. One of their reporters took the Golden Touch class and wrote about it.

                                                            Tell me it doesn't sound like an absolute scam and I've got land under a bridge to sell you...

                                                            http://www.mattathiasschwartz.com/the-golden-touch/
                                                            The group sounds like circus carnies hawking rings to pitch around milk jugs...
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                                                            • dredmahawkus
                                                              SBR MVP
                                                              • 12-26-09
                                                              • 1803

                                                              #65
                                                              Originally posted by Killer_Demo
                                                              only suckers play come...i play pass line with max odds...
                                                              isnt the passline and the come the same thing?
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                                                              • bruceBRUCEbruce
                                                                SBR MVP
                                                                • 06-20-09
                                                                • 2560

                                                                #66
                                                                Originally posted by MonkeyF0cker
                                                                I'll give you 2:1 odds for any amount you can put up front that you cannot win 10 sessions in a row.

                                                                Sessions consist of at least 1 bet per come out/point with a minimum of 50 points played.


                                                                real fair wager you're offering there, chief. 2:1? llllllllllllllllllllllllllllllol.
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                                                                • MonkeyF0cker
                                                                  SBR Posting Legend
                                                                  • 06-12-07
                                                                  • 12144

                                                                  #67
                                                                  Originally posted by bruceBRUCEbruce


                                                                  real fair wager you're offering there, chief. 2:1? llllllllllllllllllllllllllllllol.
                                                                  I know. I'm in trouble. The guy NEVER loses.
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                                                                  • FourLengthsClear
                                                                    SBR MVP
                                                                    • 12-29-10
                                                                    • 3808

                                                                    #68
                                                                    Originally posted by Killer_Demo
                                                                    i play craps on a regular basis and always make $$$...i use SBR for sports betting toughguy
                                                                    Martingale right? You can't lose with Martingale.
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                                                                    • dredmahawkus
                                                                      SBR MVP
                                                                      • 12-26-09
                                                                      • 1803

                                                                      #69
                                                                      I dont play hard 6s....thats a sucker bet I play hard 8s!
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                                                                      • Sam Odom
                                                                        SBR Aristocracy
                                                                        • 10-30-05
                                                                        • 58063

                                                                        #70
                                                                        You dice control guys forget about one thing...


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