Betoto

**Mudcat** · 04-21-06, 12:02 PM

Yeah, from everything I've heard they are one of those books. Not for serious players.

**bigboydan** · 04-21-06, 12:46 PM

The BAW Group has been on the slide for roughly the past year.

**Lucas** · 04-21-06, 01:26 PM

I hate them. In the USA they will be marked as scam, but here in Europe, you can see adverisement only for those "C" books. And people trust them, because they are not from exotic Curacao etc, they are from Vienna, Austria, German nation!!! They must have nice income from stupid squares and they do not deserve it!
Yesterday I saw advertisement on one of the most reliable newspaper´s webs. "Betandwin - payoffs to your bank account in one hour".
They are liars, It took me week to get 1K. And they told me it takes 2 days, because of security... If they know it takes two days to proceed payoff how can they advertise ONE HOUR??
I wrote an e-mail to the newspaper and they did not bother to reply me! Money, money, money.
But if You have some free money go to BAW and catch their stupid lines for american sports. They deserve this!

**miguelyn** · 04-26-06, 06:45 PM

Originally posted by Lucas

they are from Vienna, Austria, German nation!!!

That´s what i call a geography mistake.
German nation

The only german think they have is the one of the official languages and a boarderline

**fixxer** · 04-26-06, 07:07 PM

And a few historical events that connects the two nations....for example, they were the same nation a thousand years ago, till 1156, the separation of Ostmark.

As for Betandwin....it's still one of my favourite bookies. I am betting with them for years, without any major problems...
I mostly play european basketball and european soccer, and for these, BW offers large variety of bet types, and the best live betting for these, also they offer Supertoto...

Perhaps they handle european customers different way, or I don't know, but still, I always receive my Western Union withdrawal in 1 day, without a fee....yes, they limit your account tho if you win a lot.

**Lucas** · 04-26-06, 07:53 PM

Originally posted by fixxer

And a few historical events that connects the two nations....for example, they were the same nation a thousand years ago, till 1156, the separation of Ostmark.

I am from a country which was occupied by the big "Dritte reich" and is wedged in Germ/Aus. My aunt lives in Berlin (Germany) my grandma was from central Austria. In my opinion they (Austrians and Germans) are one nation, they have one language and the same behavior (sorry German and Austrian nationalists). German positive charakters are correctness and trustworthiness, but those I can not associate with BaW group. But many people do.

**Lucas** · 04-26-06, 08:55 PM

Btw Have you seen their invitation of Hitler in 1938, they welcomed big Germany! Main part of Austria (except the land s by Italy) is culturally closer to Bawaria (one of the German lands) than any other German land.

**fixxer** · 04-26-06, 09:14 PM

"Big Germany" was an idea in the XIX century, it wanted a catholic German state, with the union of Germany and Austria.
Instead of it, the "Small Germany" became reality, a protestant union, without Austria.

Hitler mentioned "Big Germany" because of this....btw, Hitler was born in Austria....

I am from Europe too, Austria is just a few miles from here....I admit that there is similarity between the two nations, but the culture, history, and way of thinking is different IMHO

**Lucas** · 04-26-06, 09:24 PM

Simply I do not agree. For me as quarter Austrian they are one nation. Of course they are two states (but EU diminishes borders). What connects Munchen and Berlin in "culture, history, and way of thinking"? Look at their horrible volksmusik, popular at Austria and Bawaria. Their horrible white beer. They were fighting on the same side in WWI and WWII. Their police has the same dose of stupidity. Have You seen their series? "Sergeant Rex", "The doctor from hills", "Cobra 11". The same kind of "culture"! My cousine from Germany also considers Austrians to be Germans from hills with strange language.

**fixxer** · 04-26-06, 09:28 PM

Well, It seems that our opinion is not the same in this matter than....

About the beer...for me, Austrian beer is the best...Franziskaner, Edelweiss, Erdinger...

White beer is horrible? Lol than taste the hot beer of England

Now THAT'S horrible....ugh....

**Lucas** · 04-26-06, 09:31 PM

Let everyone has his opinion for nations, but from my country, the Austria and Germany is practically the same. People do not think anything good about them, but they trust them. And they give credit to the firms from "Germany" much more than from Carribean area. And in this case, with no reason.

**Lucas** · 04-26-06, 09:34 PM

Originally posted by fixxer

Well, It seems that our opinion is not the same in this matter than....

About the beer...for me, Austrian beer is the best...Franziskaner, Edelweiss, Erdinger...

White beer is horrible? Lol than taste the hot beer of England

Now THAT'S horrible....ugh....

No thanks

No! It would be my death. Czech beer is the best. Unfortunatelly once I gave it to my German aunt and she mixed it with fanta or sprite and drank.

I am not kidding!

**Mudcat** · 04-26-06, 09:37 PM

This is an interesting thread. I appreciate the cultural education.

**Lucas** · 04-26-06, 09:38 PM

Damn! I lost the halftime because of the Germans. I really hate them

**fixxer** · 04-26-06, 09:41 PM

Fanta. Ugh. It's ok to pour tequila in your beer, but fanta...?!

Good ol' Czech beers with their 15% alcohol ratio...

**Lucas** · 04-26-06, 09:57 PM

Tequilla and beer??!!! I really never heard about that combination! Are U sure U are from Europe

I like pure tequilla and pure beer. And tequilla sunrise. Czech beers have usually around 5% alcohol (of course there are some exceptions). The confusing number that U have probably seen are grades "°". Usually 10, 11, 12 (less usually 7-9 and 13-19, strongest 35!). That is something else: in shortcut it is percentage of sugars in wort (hope that this word is correct). But once I drank terrible Holland beer about 15%...much more ike wine.

**fixxer** · 04-26-06, 10:08 PM

I like tequila (silver only, not gold), and beer seperately mainly, but I just can advise you to try this:

Wheat beer (no other beer is ok) + 4cl silver tequila in it + a cirlce of lemon....

We drank beers in Czech Rep. which had the alcohol rate of 15%, but I know the usual rate is 4-5% there too....they have a few very good beers, but a few awful ones too (Zlaty Bazant for example....hmmm or is it Slovakian? I am a little confused in this.
Actually the 15% beer hit us big, because we didn't know that fact, that if you drink alcohol in a 2000 m-s high place, it will hit you twice....

**Lucas** · 04-26-06, 10:21 PM

Finally I agree. Silver only!

Zlaty bazant is Slowakian (but Czechs and Slowaks are one nation right

)
In one week I am going rafting to Slowakia and Zlaty Bazant is the only beer that can one drink there!
I like Pilsner, but I think that is close to Bazant, bitter beer that you probably do not like.
You probably drank some speciality in brewery-pub..

**Lucas** · 04-26-06, 10:24 PM

Wheat beer... very hard to get it in here. But I know one pub. But by the time I tell the waiter that I want this beer and tequila and mix it please with slice of lemon, mad-house will be my next stop.