WagerWeb is offering odds on the Duke Lacross team

**BigDog** · 04-06-06, 05:19 PM

**Bill Dozer** · 04-06-06, 05:29 PM

I guess they ruled out using "Classiest Online Sportsbook" as their next slogan.

**moses millsap** · 04-06-06, 05:45 PM

3-4 matches +400

**RickySteve** · 04-06-06, 06:23 PM

ALL 46 Matches +7500

You heard it here first. That's money in the bank.

**bigboydan** · 04-06-06, 06:52 PM

wait a minute! didn't the cops tell one of those players he didn't have to take the DNA test ?

**moses millsap** · 04-06-06, 06:57 PM

Originally posted by bigboydan

wait a minute! didn't the cops tell one of those players he didn't have to take the DNA test ?

Yeah, the black player. She claimed 3, so worth a shot if you have an account with them at +400.

**Illusion** · 04-06-06, 10:38 PM

Are you guys gonna seriously bet this?

**Dark Horse** · 04-10-06, 12:11 PM

Wagerweb is funny. They recently gave me a free $25 bet, which I bet up to over $200 just for fun. Rollover is 15x (not a problem) and max withdral is $125 and only by Fedex.

Thought I'd ask them how that would work.
How much is a Fedex withdrawal?
Answer: $50.
OK. So if my balance is $175 and I take out $125 the other $50 would pay for Fedex?
Answer: No, you can only get $75.
lol.

What I don't understand is how they could think that a 'promotion' like that could possibly bring in any bettors. If you lose, you have no reason to come back, and if you win, you have even less reason, and are better off emptying the account against another.

**Illusion** · 04-10-06, 12:58 PM

Originally posted by Dark Horse

Wagerweb is funny. They recently gave me a free $25 bet, which I bet up to over $200 just for fun. Rollover is 15x (not a problem) and max withdral is $125 and only by Fedex.

Thought I'd ask them how that would work.
How much is a Fedex withdrawal?
Answer: $50.
OK. So if my balance is $175 and I take out $125 the other $50 would pay for Fedex?
Answer: No, you can only get $75.
lol.

What I don't understand is how they could think that a 'promotion' like that could possibly bring in any bettors. If you lose, you have no reason to come back, and if you win, you have even less reason, and are better off emptying the account against another.

That promotion is useless. Why would they even offer up such a stupid offer.

**moses millsap** · 04-10-06, 01:01 PM

What a joke, lol.

**Dark Horse** · 04-10-06, 01:43 PM

It's a lose-lose proposition, but not entirely useless. At least it gives us a glimpse into the mindset of the folks behind the scenes.

Many companies just don't understand the power of free advertising by word of mouth, especially through the internet. Their minds haven't caught up with cyberspace. One happy customer will tell a hundred, who will tell a hundred. And very quickly! The opposite is true as well.

What this means is that you can get an unbelievable amount of free advertisting for extremely little money. Keep the customers happy. Be generous. That will bring in the crowd, and won't change your 110 edge one bit. Whatever you do, don't penny-pinch, because you will be known as such.

**Dark Horse** · 04-10-06, 06:25 PM

Looks like the correct answer was zero...

Defense attorneys: DNA testing finds no match in Duke lacrosse case

By TIM WHITMIRE, Associated Press Writer
April 10, 2006

DURHAM, N.C. (AP) -- DNA testing failed to connect any members of the Duke University lacrosse team to the alleged rape of a stripper, attorneys for the athletes said Monday.

Citing DNA test results delivered by the state crime lab to police and prosecutors a few hours earlier, the attorneys said the test results prove their clients did not sexually assault and beat a stripper hired to perform at a March 13 team party.

No charges have been filed in the case.

"No DNA material from any young man was present on the body of this complaining woman," said defense attorney Wade Smith.

The alleged victim, a 27-year-old student at a nearby college, told police she and another woman were hired to dance at the party. The woman told police that three men at the party dragged her into a bathroom, choked her, raped her and sodomized her.

Authorities ordered 46 of the 47 players on Duke's lacrosse team to submit DNA samples to investigators. Because the woman said her attackers were white, the team's sole black player was not tested.

District Attorney Mike Nifong stopped speaking with reporters last week after initially talking openly about the case, including stating publicly that he was confident a crime occurred. He went on to say he would have other evidence to make his case should the DNA analysis prove inconclusive or fail to match a member of the team.

Smith said Nifong now has the evidence needed to change his mind.

"He doesn't have to do it," Smith said of filing charges. "He is a man with discretion. He doesn't have to do it, and we hope that he won't."

Nifong's assistant said earlier Monday the prosecutor would not comment on the findings. North Carolina Central University, where the alleged victim is a student, said after the results were released that the prosecutor would appear at a campus forum on Tuesday to discuss the case.

Attorney Joe Cheshire, who represents one of the team's captains, said the report indicated authorities took DNA samples from all over the alleged victim's body, including under her fingernails, and from her possessions, such as her cell phone and her clothes.

"They swabbed about every place they could possibly swab from her, in which there could be any DNA," he said.

Cheshire said even if the alleged attackers used a condom, it's likely there would have been some DNA evidence found suggesting an assault took place. He said in this case, the report states there was no DNA on her to indicate that she had sex of any type recently.

"The experts will tell you that if there was a condom used they would still be able to pick up DNA, latex, lubricant and all other types of things to show that -- and that's not here," Cheshire said.

Stan Goldman, who teaches criminal law, evidence and criminal procedure at Loyola Law School in Los Angeles, said the DNA results don't mean that Nifong can't go forward with the case -- but the test results make a successful prosecution much harder.

"Isn't the absence of DNA evidence, given the way the victim has described the crime, in and of itself almost enough to raise a reasonable doubt?" he said. "That's all the defense has to do."

Robert Archer, whose son, Breck, is a member of the lacrosse team, said the test results only confirmed for parents what they already knew.

"I know the kids on the team and I know they're innocent," said Archer, of East Quogue, N.Y.

**moses millsap** · 04-10-06, 09:00 PM

Looks like those who bet the even money shot won. No matches.

**BeatPete** · 04-10-06, 10:25 PM

although a tasteless prop, ppl out there love to bet these types of things. i'm sure they probably got a call from a customer before they thought about offering some lines. Squares love betting on exotics like this, or when ppl are on trial. The scott peterson trial got lots of action(well at least the place i worked at a while back)

**bigboydan** · 04-10-06, 10:34 PM

i agree with this prop is a tasteless prop beatpete. your right though, people will bet on anything.

**RickySteve** · 04-11-06, 12:17 AM

I bet that Britney Spears wouldn't get divorced by the end of April.

**Dark Horse** · 04-11-06, 12:51 AM

lol - the more tasteless the better.

**Winston Smith** · 04-11-06, 04:37 AM

I glad everyone waited to hear a little evidence before rioting and calling for blood. Wouldn't want to destroy anyone's life without cause or anything. Fucking pathetic.

**imgv94** · 04-11-06, 05:12 AM

That bitch should be killed for making up shit so she could get some
money. Congrats to all that bet +100 on none!

Whoever bet ALL 46 should be put on the floor and stabbed!!

**bigboydan** · 04-28-06, 09:33 PM

D.A. in Duke rape case says accuser's old rape allegations may be inadmissible

DURHAM, N.C. (AP) -- The district attorney prosecuting two Duke University lacrosse players on rape charges said Friday that a similar complaint brought by the accuser 10 years ago may not be admissible if the Duke case goes to trial -- a suggestion disputed by a defense lawyer.

"This woman will have to testify, and it's valid to ask her if she's made any false accusations," said attorney Joe Cheshire, who represents a player who has not been charged. Cheshire said the decade-old report raises "real issues about her credibility."

According to an old police report uncovered Thursday, the stripper who claims she was raped by three Duke athletes at an off-campus party also told police in nearby Creedmoor in 1996 that three years earlier, she had been raped and beaten by three men when she was 14. None of the three was ever charged with sexual assault.

District Attorney Mike Nifong, who for weeks has avoided commenting publicly on the Duke case, cautioned Friday that a jury might never be allowed to hear about the prior allegations.

North Carolina's rape shield law lists "narrowly defined categories" under which an accuser's past sexual history is allowed as evidence, Nifong said. The court must hold a hearing to determine if the evidence meets those categories and to decide how it can be presented, he said.

The rape shield law allows an accuser's past sexual history to be introduced under the following conditions: if it concerns sex between the accuser and defendant; if it shows the acts charged were not committed by the defendant; if it suggests the accuser granted consent; or if it suggests the accuser fantasized or invented the allegations.

Arnold Loewy, a criminal law professor at the University of North Carolina at Chapel Hill, said that unless there is reason to believe the woman made a false accusation long ago, the defense may not be allowed to put the information before the jury.

Nifong's office contacted Creedmoor police Friday morning for information about the incident report, said Mayor Darryl Moss. He and Police Chief Ted Pollard said officials there have been unable to locate any documents related to the case beyond the initial report.

Relatives told Essence magazine in an online story this week that the woman declined to pursue the case out of fear for her safety.

Lacrosse players Collin Finnerty and Reade Seligmann are charged with raping the woman, a 27-year-old student at North Carolina Central University. She had been hired to perform as a stripper at a March 13 party.

Kirk Osborn, Seligmann's lawyer, declined to comment Friday on the earlier rape allegation. Finnerty's attorney, Bill Cotter, did not immediately return a call.

Earlier this week, Osborn filed a request for the accuser's medical, legal and education records. He also asked for a hearing to determine if she is credible.

Associated Press Writer Samuel Spies contributed to this report from Raleigh.